More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 07:52PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Potentially, we have a 'victim' who pulled out of the trial of her alleged attacker, who has made claims against people who were acquitted of the charge of being involved in an alleged 'kangaroo court' and the leadership of Sinn Fein, being invited to meet the leaders of both FFail and FG while all the time being part of a dissident group that wants to destroy the peace process.

I say 'potentially' because at the moment neither you nor I know any different.

I dont know if she still is a member of RNU, but as I said, she was a senior member in the time period I mentioned. (just to be accurate)

conorh91 · 25-10-2014 07:54PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Potentially, we have a 'victim' who pulled out of the trial of her alleged attacker

1. Stay classy.

2. The prosecution essentially collapsed; Cahill withdrew her support for the prosecution, but maintained her allegations. Those allegations are accepted by Sinn Fein as being true.

gladrags · 25-10-2014 07:54PM

conorh91 wrote: »

Lets say a survivor of child sexual abuse in a Catholic institution goes on to campaign against the Catholic Church, and joins a radical communist outfit.

Do you believe Catholic bishops would be correct in publicly adverting to that survivor's politics?

We have a crazy tradition in this country of dragging rape victims through the mud, but it's nice to see some of the media have decided not to, on this occasion.

Totally agree

In this case,the media ,FG,FF, have,in effect added to this persons trauma.

No one should seek to take advantage of sexual abuse.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 07:54PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

I dont know if she still is a member of RNU, but as I said, she was a senior member in the time period I mentioned. (just to be accurate)

Can I ask how you have or got that information about her?

alastair · 25-10-2014 07:55PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

But, if she's aligned to this group it kind of shows up her true motives.

Ahh, her 'true' motives - presumably not connected to having been raped, then subjected to a kangaroo court where her rapist got to accuse her of being a liar, the subsequent quashing of witnesses who could confirm her evidence, and the abscondment of Adams from his personal role in this entire charade, with the added twist of shuffling probable sex offenders to unsuspecting Donegal communities. Gotcha.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 07:56PM

conorh91 wrote: »

1. Stay classy.

2. The prosecution essentially collapsed; Cahill withdrew her support for the prosecution, but maintained her allegations. Those allegations are accepted by Sinn Fein as being true.

It collapsed because she would not give evidence and would not allow herself to be cross examined on it. In a case like this thats basically all the evidence there is. Lets be clear here - she collapsed the case. Once she pulled out the DPP did not proceed, ie the offered no evidence and the case was thrown out (because she was the evidence)

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 07:57PM

conorh91 wrote: »

1. Stay classy.

2. The prosecution essentially collapsed; Cahill withdrew her support for the prosecution, but maintained her allegations. Those allegations are accepted by Sinn Fein as being true.

Did you have a look at the website of the crowd she's supposed to be involved with?
Have a look in the 'about us' section.
They don't recognise the PSNI or the Gardai.
Classy?
The next few days could really show up who's 'classy' ok.

alastair · 25-10-2014 07:58PM

gladrags wrote: »

The bottom line is that MC is being manipulated.

And the other 'bottom line' is that she say's not. But your concern is touching.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 07:59PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Can I ask how you have or got that information about her?

I'm a republican myself and remember the furore at the time with her accusing people of being touts (accusations which can get you killed). I imagine her name is to be found somewhere on their site, reports of ard fheis maybe.

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:00PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What didn't work? He doesn't technically have to answer anything as he's been actually charged with **** all.

Saying nothing didn't work, just like I said in my post. He said nothing when his brother, a sex offender, was working with kids in different places. I never mentioned anything about him being charged with anything.

alastair · 25-10-2014 08:00PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

It collapsed because she would not give evidence and would not allow herself to be cross examined on it. In a case like this thats basically all the evidence there is. Lets be clear here - she collapsed the case. Once she pulled out the DPP did not proceed, ie the offered no evidence and the case was thrown out (because she was the evidence)

The PPS don't seem to believe it's quite so cut and dried.

ThisRegard · 25-10-2014 08:01PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned that Maria Cahill is a dissident republican? Amazing really that through all the coverage there was not one mention of her own politics.

(coverage doesnt seem to have worked either, based on the latest poll)

Her being a republican, and all about her family and background, has been mentioned many times in the media. It's the only reason i know about it.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:03PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Her being a republican, and all about her family and background, has been mentioned many times in the media. It's the only reason i know about it.

Joe Cahill being a relative, and her being a republican has been mentioned, but the fact that she is a dissident has not been. And its very relevant.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:04PM

More from the RNU's site..

"We reject the Belfast, St Andrews and Hillsborough Agreements as failed continuations of past British policy in Ireland."

"Since our foundation, we have campaigned on many issues relevant to the struggle for Irish Freedom and working class emancipation, often using the tactic of direct action to highlight issues that we felt had gone ignored for too long in the mainstream media.

Issues addressed include; confronting the British army at various levels, opposing the PSNI/RUC in our communities."

And this classic....

"Our members also tackle the drugs gangs which threaten the well-being of our youth"

What do they do, have a few choice words for them?

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:05PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

More from the RNU's site..

"We reject the Belfast, St Andrews and Hillsborough Agreements as failed continuations of past British policy in Ireland."

"Since our foundation, we have campaigned on many issues relevant to the struggle for Irish Freedom and working class emancipation, often using the tactic of direct action to highlight issues that we felt had gone ignored for too long in the mainstream media.

Issues addressed include; confronting the British army at various levels, opposing the PSNI/RUC in our communities."

And this classic....

"Our members also tackle the drugs gangs which threaten the well-being of our youth"

What do they do, have a few choice words for them?

Would be interesting to look at stuff from 2010 and 2011 from when she was second in command.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:08PM

I suspect this thread will go fairly quiet in the next while.

gladrags · 25-10-2014 08:10PM

alastair wrote: »

And the other 'bottom line' is that she say's not. But your concern is touching.

I genuinely have a concern for victims of sexual abuse.

She is being manipulated.

If you cannot figure this out,you are colluding in the manipulation.

conorh91 · 25-10-2014 08:11PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

It collapsed because she would not give evidence

Cahill insists that the investigation was mishandled. In particular, she appears to claim there was a failing on behalf of the police.

The point you seem reluctant to address is that the veracity of Cahill's claims is admitted by all of the Sinn Fein TDs when asked.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:11PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I suspect this thread will go fairly quiet in the next while.

Tony “T.C” Catney died recently. He was vice chairperson of the RNU ard comhairle in 2010/11 alongside Cahill.

Here is the send off he got

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:12PM

gladrags wrote: »

I genuinely have a concern for victims of sexual abuse.

She is being manipulated.

If you cannot figure this out,you are colluding in the manipulation.

To be fair, she doesn't come across as someone who could be manipulated.
There's an agenda at play and I think it's becoming clear now.
Red faces all round methinks.

Sierra Oscar · 25-10-2014 08:13PM

Sinn Féin must be panicking, down 3% in the latest opinion poll and that only takes into account Monday to Wednesday of this week considering that was when the polling was done. SF have dug themselves into an even deeper hole since then. So much for SF supporters on here predicting that party support would rise.

Still though at least it is positive to see Adams finally starting to realise the seriousness of all this with his call for IRA members to come forward with information immediately.

michael999999 · 25-10-2014 08:13PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I suspect this thread will go fairly quiet in the next while.

Do you think certain mods will disappear from here?

And I as looking forward to the hourly Fianna fail press office release!

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:14PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Sinn Féin must be panicking, down 3% in the latest opinion poll and that only takes into account Monday to Friday of this week considering that was when the polling was done. SF have dug themselves into an even deeper hole since then. So much for SF supporters on here predicting that party support would rise.

Still though at least it is positive to see Adams finally starting to realise the seriousness of all this with his call for IRA members to come forward with information immediately.

They arent panicing. On the other poll there is no change. 3% is in margin of error. Shinners on twitter etc seems delighted. Grasping at straws there saying they mus be panicking.

raymon · 25-10-2014 08:16PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I suspect this thread will go fairly quiet in the next while.

Can you answer the questions

Why did Gerry give a completely false account of his meeting with Mairia

When will Gerry hand over the list of abusers that are in the south expelled from the north

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:16PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Do you think certain mods will disappear from here?

And I as looking forward to the hourly Fianna fail press office release!

Well, all they can throw out now is SF's drop of 3% (margin of error) in one of the polls conducted this week.
No mention of the other poll where their support remains unchanged.

Tramps Like Us · 25-10-2014 08:17PM

conorh91 wrote: »

Cahill insists that the investigation was mishandled. In particular, she appears to claim there was a failing on behalf of the police.

The point you seem reluctant to address is that the veracity of Cahill's claims is admitted by all of the Sinn Fein TDs when asked.

I don't know if she was raped or not, I'm inclined to believe that there was sexual abuse/rape but the place for stuff like this to be established is in a court, not the "kangaroo court" of the media or spewings of opportunistic politicians overflowing with synthetic rage. Other people who have been abused or let down by the state cant get a meeting with Kenny for love nor money, all Cahill needed to do was send a tweet.

Fr. Ned · 25-10-2014 08:18PM

raymon wrote: »

Can you answer the questions

Why did Gerry give a completely false account of his meeting with Mairia

When will Gerry hand over the list of abusers that are in the south expelled from the north

Well heres one now.
You're still taking the word of Maria Cahill in regard to that meeting?
Even though it's now been pointed out to you the group she's allegedly involved with?
A group who's aim is to bring down the peace process and who doesn't recognise the PSNI or the Gardai as police forces.

Happyman42 · 25-10-2014 08:19PM

Some of our journalists need to start asking questions about this now. Enough have been raised. Cahill seems to have been able to compartmentalise her alleged assault and make Gerry Adams her main target (why that is, is a question in itself)
With the reputation of many people at stake, we need an end to the soft interviews,

michael999999 · 25-10-2014 08:21PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Some of our journalists need to start asking questions about this now. Enough have been raised. Cahill seems to have been able to compartmentalise her alleged assault and make Gerry Adams her main target (why that is, is a question in itself)
With the reputation of many people at stake, we need an end to the soft interviews,

There is not one with the nerve to ask.

And the ones writing for DOBs INM just do what there told!

alastair · 25-10-2014 08:24PM

gladrags wrote: »

I genuinely have a concern for victims of sexual abuse.

She is being manipulated.

If you cannot figure this out,you are colluding in the manipulation.

I'll pay more heed to her perspective than yours in this matter. But again your genuine concern is really touching.

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