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More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

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    #572
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Patently obvious trial by media smear campaigns by the golden circle parties and their cronies could derail the peace process alright, but it's unlikely.

    Do you have any proof there is a smear campaign?


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    #573
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Donnielighto wrote: »
    Do you have any proof there is a smear campaign?
    Lots of unproven and more or less unprovable accusations.
    No facts.
    Pretty much the definition of a smear campaign actually.


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    #574
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Winty wrote: »
    I have been posting and reading post on Mr Adams on Boards for a number of years and this thread is a great example of SF supports keeping a low profile.
    In the early days of this story they were fast to stand up for their leader but now that we all know the truth that Mr Adams is a lier they have gone to ground.

    Come on you shinners where are you?
    Ya,We saw your earlier posts and they were all as silly as this one and you were still misspelling liar and you haven't appeared to got as many thanks as you thought you might have got,maybe its because SF is garnering so much more support in the polls despite the FF/FG/Irish media collusion to subvert the state.


    Now you can spell out where GA has been proven to be a liar in this case so far?


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    #575
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Lots of unproven and more or less unprovable accusations.
    No facts.
    Pretty much the definition of a smear campaign actually.

    Are they intentional misrepresentations by the "golden cirlce," do you have evidence?


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    #576
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Will the same lads who are belowing for unequivocal evidence have the same attitude when it isn't SF in the crosshairs?


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    #577
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Face facts... as soon as you bring one to the party mate!
    Somebody said something sometime about something. The Independent said so. Conviction right there!

    Simple question

    Do you believe that Maíria Cahill hasa lied about being raped and then "interviewed" by Gerry Adams and other members of the IRA?

    If so, why did she lie and what has she to gain?


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    #578
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Simple question

    Do you believe that Maíria Cahill hasa lied about being raped and then "interviewed" by Gerry Adams and other members of the IRA?
    Invalid question.


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    #579
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Donnielighto wrote: »
    Will the same lads who are belowing for unequivocal evidence have the same attitude when it isn't SF in the crosshairs?
    Example?


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    #580
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Donnielighto wrote: »
    Doherty is good, cant stand Mary Lou, though, seems really conceited, feeling she is very much out for herself.


    Doherty is the only one to be a proven liar on this one (or else ignorant of the facts).

    Asked several times whether the IRA had kangaroo courts for sexual abuse he categorically said they hadn't. Gerry Adams has now said they did.


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    #581
    Creative Juices
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Creative Juices


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Invalid question.

    Jesus will you answer the question.


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    #582
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    Barely There wrote: »
    Poor Gerry's had his arse handed to him in the Dail this afternoon - he's in for many more grillings on this issue I reckon. His lick-spittle buddies beside him looked like they wanted the ground to open up and swallow them.

    An opinion poll is currently being carried out with results to be presented in this weekend's newspapers. Will be interesting to see what damage the Shinners will have suffered.

    Hopefully not enough to make them consider ditching the 'dear leader' - it's very important for civilised society that he be allowed to continue his fantastic work in ensuring SF remain forever unelectable.


    very little damage I'd assume - indeed it could entrench their vote as the perception of a hypocritical media-led witch hunt gathers more and more steam with the impression taking hold among many on the left that Miss Cahill is merely being used by establishment parties as a stick to beat Sinn Fein with - a cheap opportunistic party political stunt rather than a genuine concern for the victim and the issue of how child abuse was dealt with in a foreign jurisdiction 20 years ago.

    I predict Sinn Fein to hold steady at around 25%, the mud keeps getting thrown at them but it's not sticking - the disappeared, ink cartridges, the Adams arrest, no matter what the issue, no matter how trivial or profound the Sinn Fein vote has proved immune to criticism from certain quarters for the simple reason that the people who are outraged by Sinn Fein would never have voted for them anyway. The only consequence of this kind of stuff is the outraged group will become more outraged and the Sinn Fein vote more emboldened as a kind of siege mentality envelops the party. They could very well be strengthened by this, the lack of foresight shown by the same old sources seeking to discredit them astounds me; they constantly merely preach to the converted.

    One final point; the comparisons between the Catholic Church and the IRA in terms of how they dealt with child abuse fall down on one key issue; the republicans in the North had zero faith in the RUC to police any matter within that community (and oftentimes with good reason) - the Church had no such excuse. Thus the kangaroo courts came into being notwithstanding the fact that it's as far from an appropriate and adequate a way of dealing with the issue as you can imagine, which Adams himself has admitted - however the larger socio-political context should be acknowledged instead of lazily and perhaps disingenuously equating the two groups.


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    #583
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    donfers wrote: »
    One final point; the comparisons between the Catholic Church and the IRA in terms of how they dealt with child abuse fall down on one key issue; the republicans in the North had zero faith in the RUC to police any matter within that community (and oftentimes with good reason) - the Church had no such excuse.
    Let's not start pretending that the IRA held kangaroo courts for their own members (and them let them out on the streets to offend again) out of some yearning for justice.


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    #584
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Donnielighto wrote: »
    Are they intentional misrepresentations by the "golden cirlce," do you have evidence?

    The Sindo is owned by an offshore media magnate with known FG connections that was previously criticised in a tribunal report in relation to those connections. Whether it is a media smear campaign will never be proven to the satisfaction of the likes of you, but, join the dots.


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    #585
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Invalid question.

    Awwwwww

    Dodging the tough questions today aren't we?

    Let me rephrase it for you so as not to upset your sensibilities

    Simple question

    Do you believe that Maíria Cahill has lied about being raped by a member of the IRA and then "interviewed" by Gerry Adams and members of the IRA?

    If so, why did she lie and what has she to gain?


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    #586
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Has enda even met Louise o Keefe yet after weeks of talk??

    Yet he meets maria Cahill a few days after it comes out.

    Not political at all.


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    #587
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Has enda even met Louise o Keefe yet after weeks of talk??

    Yet he meets maria Cahill a few days after it comes out.

    Not political at all.

    Yep. It's a right slap in the face for all survivors of abuse still waiting for some closure. Counterpointed with how she was treated by both FF and FG governments it's rank hypocrisy, grandstanding and jumping political bandwagons at it's finest.


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    #588
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yep. It's a right slap in the face for all survivors of abuse still waiting for some closure. Counterpointed with how she was treated by both FF and FG governments it's rank hypocrisy, grandstanding and jumping political bandwagons at it's finest.

    Making it a political football is irrelevant , though it may be unedifying .

    The only issue is was there abuse and if so was it covered up . Everything else is just an irrelevant circus .


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    #589
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    marienbad wrote: »
    Making it a political football is irrelevant , though it may be unedifying .

    The only issue is was there abuse and if so was it covered up . Everything else is just an irrelevant circus .

    Well, SF say they believe she was raped but categorically deny that there was a cover-up. Where do we go now?


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    #590
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well, SF say they believe she was raped but categorically deny that there was a cover-up. Where do we go now?

    It depends on who you believe

    What does Maíria Cahill gain from making these accusations?

    What does SF gain from denying these accusations?

    One of them is lying and it's gonna be the one with the most to gain.


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    #591
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well, SF say they believe she was raped but categorically deny that there was a cover-up. Where do we go now?

    Well if there was abuse and there was a 'Kangaroo court'' of any kind that is enough.

    Remember it was the questioning of that poor boy by adults and in secret that bought the scandal in the Catholic church to light.

    I can't for the life of me understand how posters on here don't get that. Everything else is irrelevant


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    #592
    Tosca1
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Tosca1


    Am I missing something? Ms Cahill withdrew her complaints and the defendants were acquitted. Is it fair that she refreshes her complaints through the media? The defendants are entitled to have the accusations put to them in Court to either be acquitted or convicted. Ms Cahill should either have put up or shut up. One other puzzle - why is she more concerned with prosecuting/persecuting Mr Adams rather than her alleged abuser? Do I smell interference from other sources - will she stand close scrutiny, because otherwise how soon until her support vanishes?


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    #593
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    marienbad wrote: »
    Well if there was abuse and there was a 'Kangaroo court'' of any kind that is enough.

    Remember it was the questioning of that poor boy by adults and in secret that bought the scandal in the Catholic church to light.

    I can't for the life of me understand how posters on here don't get that. Everything else is irrelevant

    that there was abuse is beyond doubt imo.
    I fail to see how she is going to get any evidence that there was a kangaroo court from the IRA, they won't give any info about their activity until there is a T&R process with all involved.
    I also cannot see SF or Adams admitting there was a cover up, as that, rightly, would permanently damage the whole party.
    She is on a very sticky wicket here once the glare goes off this, and it will, it always does.
    The McNulty affair is water long gone under the bridge at the moment.


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    #594
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    that there was abuse is beyond doubt imo.
    I fail to see how she is going to get any evidence that there was a kangaroo court from the IRA, they won't give any info about their activity until there is a T&R process with all involved.
    I also cannot see SF or Adams admitting there was a cover up, as that, rightly, would permanently damage the whole party.
    She is on a very sticky wicket here once the glare goes off this, and it will, it always does.
    The McNulty affair is water long gone under the bridge at the moment.

    No I don't think you are correct here . I agree with you that there was abuse is beyond doubt . And if anyone within the organisation knew about it , then that is enough.

    After that is just a question of how bad it is going to be .


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    #595
    BlutendeRabe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 192 ✭✭BlutendeRabe


    Tosca1 wrote: »
    Am I missing something? Ms Cahill withdrew her complaints and the defendants were acquitted. Is it fair that she refreshes her complaints through the media? The defendants are entitled to have the accusations put to them in Court to either be acquitted or convicted. Ms Cahill should either have put up or shut up. One other puzzle - why is she more concerned with prosecuting/persecuting Mr Adams rather than her alleged abuser? Do I smell interference from other sources - will she stand close scrutiny, because otherwise how soon until her support vanishes?

    Thats the one thing that perturbs me. I don't doubt that what she says is true but as other posters have said there is zero chance of a trial at this stage.


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    #596
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    marienbad wrote: »
    No I don't think you are correct here . I agree with you that there was abuse is beyond doubt . And if anyone within the organisation knew about it , then that is enough.

    After that is just a question of how bad it is going to be .

    What more could they have done only advise her to go to the police, get counselling or to tell her family?
    Gerry Adams and the other 4 people whom he said where willing to come forward, all say they told her to do that. But as she said herself in the Spotlight programme..'she didn't recognise the RUC for political reasons'.
    Last night an MLA said on the BBC that 'she came to her in 2005 and the advice was still the same, go to the police and seek counselling' not her exact words but that was the gist.


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    #597
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    sallymomo wrote: »
    When a person becomes a member/sympathiser of Sinn Fein, do they automatically get a "deflection pack"?
    Most people who vote for SF know exactly what they're getting, they just don't care. But it's good to remind some younger people that the modern, liberal, social justice facade is just that - a facade masking something much darker underneath.


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    #598
    Tosca1
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Tosca1


    BlutendeRabe wrote: »
    Thats the one thing that perturbs me. I don't doubt that what she says is true but as other posters have said there is zero chance of a trial at this stage.

    There was a trial - the complainant withdrew her complaints - if she felt she could not withstand scrutiny then - how come she has her version of events accepted by the media without further scrutiny. It is all too opportune as Sinn Fein could hold a balance of power. Who is behind Ms Cahill and pulling her strings?


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    #599
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,106 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    padraig47 wrote: »
    That is why court case was dragged out so that Ms Cahill got fed up waiting. SF are thugs North and South.
    Tosca1 wrote: »
    Am I missing something? Ms Cahill withdrew her complaints and the defendants were acquitted. Is it fair that she refreshes her complaints through the media? The defendants are entitled to have the accusations put to them in Court to either be acquitted or convicted. Ms Cahill should either have put up or shut up. One other puzzle - why is she more concerned with prosecuting/persecuting Mr Adams rather than her alleged abuser? Do I smell interference from other sources - will she stand close scrutiny, because otherwise how soon until her support vanishes?
    Tosca1 wrote: »
    There was a trial - the complainant withdrew her complaints - if she felt she could not withstand scrutiny then - how come she has her version of events accepted by the media without further scrutiny. It is all too opportune as Sinn Fein could hold a balance of power. Who is behind Ms Cahill and pulling her strings?
    Wan't it apparently the case that she withdrew when she learned that a certain individual was going to testify for the defence?

    Not your ornery onager



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    #600
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Esel wrote: »
    Wan't it apparently the case that she withdrew when she learned that a certain individual was going to testify for the defence?

    Statement issued from the 4 defendants in her case,

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/four-accused-reject-mairia-cahill-allegation-647317.html


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    #601
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hmmm wrote: »
    Most people who vote for SF know exactly what they're getting, they just don't care. But it's good to remind some younger people that the modern, liberal, social justice facade is just that - a facade masking something much darker underneath.
    You "remind" them and then their popularity goes up. Almost as if they can see (not too hard really) right through a tissue thin smear campaign by the golden circle and cronies.


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