More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

Happyman42

oscarBravo wrote: »

And, of course, we all trust that the same honourable group of people who facilitated the transfer of child abusers out of the jurisdiction would be completely honest and forthcoming in such a process.

Does anyone not wearing green-tinted glasses truly believe this to be the case? Hell, does anyone at all truly believe it?

Well the perception is often put around about 'the disappeared' that the IRA where stalling on giving info. But that flies in the face of the fact that the ICLVR made a statement that said;

Geoff Knupfer wrote:

"in a spirit of cooperation and reconciliation they are trying to help in every way they can."
"I am absolutely convinced that they are doing everything they can to assist. The support we have had from them has been absolutely 100% from day one."

To me, that indicates that they would co-operate in a T&R process. It is they and SF who are most strident in calling for one after all.

The Irish and British government should call their bluff on it and take part themselves.
The truth isn't gonna come out any other way, unless you can think of a realistic way it will?

Donnielighto

This isn't a political football, it is childern's lives that were affected, it shouldn't be treated as some point scoring exercise, those using it as such and those shouting down the abused to maintain face are both in the wrong.

Donnielighto

Happyman42 wrote: »

Well the perception is often put around about 'the disappeared' that the IRA where stalling on giving info. But that flies in the face of the fact that the ICLVR made a statement that said;

To me, that indicates that they would co-operate in a T&R process. It is they and SF who are most strident in calling for one after all.

The Irish and British government should call their bluff on it and take part themselves.
The truth isn't gonna come out any other way, unless you can think of a realistic way it will?

I'd imagine it is the UK that wouldn't like to be involved in that.

Viper_JB

Donnielighto wrote: »

This isn't a political football, it is childern's lives that were affected, it shouldn't be treated as some point scoring exercise, those using it as such and those shouting down the abused to maintain face are both in the wrong.

It is to some, Enda wouldn't give two craps if it didn't have the opportunity to score some political points over SF (he's never gotten this involved in any alleged sexual abuse case in the past) and it's a good distraction from all the IW stuff that's going on at the moment. But some very strong FG supporters/canvassers on here, would be wondering how much they're making per post.

sallymomo

When a person becomes a member/sympathiser of Sinn Fein, do they automatically get a "deflection pack"?
And what else does it contain apart from
1) Green tinted glasses
2) It wasn't us wristbands..

sallymomo

Viper_JB wrote: »

It is to some, Enda wouldn't give two craps if it didn't have the opportunity to score some political points over SF (he's never gotten this involved in any alleged sexual abuse case in the past) and it's a good distraction from all the IW stuff that's going on at the moment. But some very strong FG supporters/canvassers on here, would be wondering how much they're making per post.

I can't stand Inda, but wasn't he the one (political scoring or not) that called out the Catholic Church a couple of years ago?

Creative Juices

I voted SF in the recent local elections. Not #1 but it was still the first time I ever put them down as a preference. I was glad I did. I really like Mary Lou and Pearse as people as politicians.
However I will not vote for a SF candidate in the next GE if Adams is still in charge. Why? I just don't trust him and I never will. Wrong or right, that wont change. I doubt I am alone. I expect SF to do very well but I do think they have the potential to be great.

Happyman42

Joe Duffy can't get anybody to rant, only people who are pointing out the political hypocrisy of Michael and Enda.

I can see this poor girl left high and dry with her attacker still free. Very sad that nobody advised her this was the wrong way to go.

Donnielighto

Viper_JB wrote: »

It is to some, Enda wouldn't give two craps if it didn't have the opportunity to score some political points over SF (he's never gotten this involved in any alleged sexual abuse case in the past) and it's a good distraction from all the IW stuff that's going on at the moment. But some very strong FG supporters/canvassers on here, would be wondering how much they're making per post.

That's some leap.

And my post was about removing the political bias from the discussion, then you go ahead and have a post that only deals with slagging one particular party... Really?

Happyman42

Donnielighto wrote: »

I'd imagine it is the UK that wouldn't like to be involved in that.

Your imagination is sound, they have resisted all the way.

Donnielighto

Creative Juices wrote: »

I voted SF in the recent local elections. Not #1 but it was still the first time I ever put them down as a preference. I was glad I did. I really like Mary Lou and Pearse as people as politicians.
However I will not vote for a SF candidate in the next GE if Adams is still in charge. Why? I just don't trust him and I never will. Wrong or right, that wont change. I doubt I am alone. I expect SF to do very well but I do think they have the potential to be great.

Doherty is good, cant stand Mary Lou, though, seems really conceited, feeling she is very much out for herself.

Creative Juices

Donnielighto wrote: »

Doherty is good, cant stand Mary Lou, though, seems really conceited, feeling she is very much out for herself.

Out for herself? She spends half her time defending her glorious leader...

Donnielighto

Happyman42 wrote: »

Your imagination is sound, they have resisted all the way.

But then I wouldnt level criticism at dublin over the process going ahead since another of the four parties (uk) is the one holding it up. The derry inquest and response was welcome though, did seem genuine as well.

It is harder to legitimise things that governments do anyway compared to the IRA or Unionists. Governments and parties are generally held to a higher standard, this is part of the issue facing SF now as they transition.

Donnielighto

Creative Juices wrote: »

Out for herself? She spends half her time defending her glorious leader...

She wants to be annointed imo. Adams wont be leader in 10 years.

Happyman42

Donnielighto wrote: »

But then I wouldnt level criticism at dublin over the process going ahead .

Well I would, as representatives of Irish people they should be applying as much pressure on the British as is humanly possible. But not a dickie bird out of them.

Timberrrrrrrr

Donnielighto wrote: »

She wants to be annointed imo. Adams wont be leader in 10 years.

I'd be surprised if he is leader in 2 years.

Creative Juices

Donnielighto wrote: »

She wants to be annointed imo. Adams wont be leader in 10 years.

If they have any sense, they should drop him now before the ramp up for GE 2016

Donnielighto

Happyman42 wrote: »

Well I would, as representatives of Irish people they should be applying as much pressure on the British as is humanly possible. But not a dickie bird out of them.

We're outsiders looking in though, the pressure should be from the north.

Happyman42

Donnielighto wrote: »

We're outsiders looking in though, the pressure should be from the north.

No we are not. Read the GFA, we are very much involved.

Donnielighto

Happyman42 wrote: »

No we are not. Read the GFA, we are very much involved.

Didn't the republic give up the claim on the north in that though, of course events affecting Irish citizens would be cause to take issue.

Happyman42

Donnielighto wrote: »

Didn't the republic give up the claim on the north in that though, of course events affecting Irish citizens would be cause to take issue.

Read the GFA, we have a very definite and defined role, on behalf of those who identify as Irish.

Donnielighto

Happyman42 wrote: »

Read the GFA, we have a very definite and defined role, on behalf of those who identify as Irish.

Which is pretty much what I asked. It was a genuine question btw.

Happyman42

Donnielighto wrote: »

Which is pretty much what I asked. It was a genuine question btw.

The GFA agreement is an international agreement which gives the Irish Government a role in NI's affairs.

Sierra Oscar

Speaking of the Good Friday Agreement, how long now until Adams starts claiming that this scandal threatens the peace process? Usually happens when Sinn Féin/IRA's dirty and murky past is brought under the spotlight.

padraig47

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Speaking of the Good Friday Agreement, how long now until Adams starts claiming that this scandal threatens the peace process? Usually happens when Sinn Féin/IRA's dirty and murky past is brought under the spotlight.

That is why court case was dragged out so that Ms Cahill got fed up waiting. SF are thugs North and South.

Dan_Solo

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Speaking of the Good Friday Agreement, how long now until Adams starts claiming that this scandal threatens the peace process? Usually happens when Sinn Féin/IRA's dirty and murky past is brought under the spotlight.

Patently obvious trial by media smear campaigns by the golden circle parties and their cronies could derail the peace process alright, but it's unlikely.

Dan_Solo

padraig47 wrote: »

That is why court case was dragged out so that Ms Cahill got fed up waiting. SF are thugs North and South.

Makes you wonder why every court case isn't dragged out if it's a sure fire way of avoiding a guilty verdict.
Nice random non-sequitur thug comment at the end BTW. Does that apply to all unproven criminal suspects or just the ones you select not to like?

Timberrrrrrrr

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Patently obvious trial by media smear campaigns by the golden circle parties and their cronies could derail the peace process alright, but it's unlikely.

I honestly think if GA was found in a bog burying a body you would claim it was a smear campaign to blight the meteoric rise of SF. Face facts man, Gerry Adams has blood on his hands and is not the innocent little doe eyed puppy he (or you) try to portray.

Winty

I have been posting and reading post on Mr Adams on Boards for a number of years and this thread is a great example of SF supports keeping a low profile.
In the early days of this story they were fast to stand up for their leader but now that we all know the truth that Mr Adams is a lier they have gone to ground.

Come on you shinners where are you?

Dan_Solo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I honestly think if GA was found in a bog burying a body you would claim it was a smear campaign to blight the meteoric rise of SF. Face facts man, Gerry Adams has blood on his hands and is not the innocent little doe eyed puppy he (or you) try to portray.

Face facts... as soon as you bring one to the party mate!
Somebody said something sometime about something. The Independent said so. Conviction right there!