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TUBBY · 10-06-2014 12:20PM

Muckit wrote: »

under 30mths..... what is the difference between the meat from a 30 and 32 mth animal??

The 'bonus' in reality is a sanction and a control measure. 'Conform to what we the factory want or we'll hit you where it hurts.'

And worse of all, we lie down and take it.

It is my honest belief that we (the farmers) would be much better off if the Bord Bia QAS scheme didn't exist!!

If something isn't done while we are being subsidised with our SFP, what hope have we after it is done away with?

Lambs to the slaughter.

Muckit , i agree and will go one further to show the stupidity.
whats the difference in age between 30mth and 32mth bullock. Probably none. Depends when the farmers sent in his scatter of registrations in one go.

simx · 10-06-2014 12:25PM

TUBBY wrote: »

Muckit , i agree and will go one further to show the stupidity.
whats the difference in age between 30mth and 32mth bullock. Probably none. Depends when the farmers sent in his scatter of registrations in one go.

Had to laugh at this one, remember I was in the mart last year and a lad up the road was selling maybe 15 calves, some strong and some very strong, all meant to be below the 42 days of course and dobs all around the same time 20th, 21st, 22nd etc. after he sold I said to him that they were good strong calves, he agreed then I said jaysus ya must if been flat out that week calving cows, he started laughing and replied that he was kept going alright

mf240 · 10-06-2014 12:33PM

Over thirty months was introduced to deal with the bse crisis on the mid ninties.

They are no longer treated any different to under thirty months other than when it comes to payment.

Its all to convienient for factories to retain it as it forces farmers to kill cattle of the grass as the come up to 30 months . Which is mostly from july on.

We would be way better of without the grid. Way more cattle get deducted from base than get bonuses. And the fookers wont pay young bulls on it as they would actually benifit from it.

I dont stress about it any more . Cos ya cant win.

Muckit · 10-06-2014 12:47PM

mf240 wrote: »

I dont stress about it any more . Cos ya cant win.

Oh I don't either, save for the odd blowout!!

You really wouldn't want to be thinking about it or worse still, be dependent on a living from beef.

Robson99 · 10-06-2014 12:52PM

mf240 wrote: »

We would be way better of without the grid. Way more cattle get deducted from base than get bonuses.

There is nothing wrong with the grid except that the increments should be about 8cent and not 6cent. 6 cent was based on a base price of around €3/kg iirc.
They should increase pro rata with the beef price

rangler1 · 10-06-2014 01:00PM

Robson99 wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with the grid except that the increments should be about 8cent and not 6cent. 6 cent was based on a base price of around €3/kg iirc.
They should increase pro rata with the beef price

Increments don't matter, if they were 8c they'd just drop the base price a few cent, look at the QA....you have to wonder whether that's a penalty or a bonus at this stage

Robson99 · 10-06-2014 01:11PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Increments don't matter, if they were 8c they'd just drop the base price a few cent, look at the QA....you have to wonder whether that's a penalty or a bonus at this stage

Of course they matter. Should the guy producing an O grade get the same as the guy producing a U grade??? I dont think so

onyerbikepat · 10-06-2014 01:11PM

I'll be shot for saying it, but I think you are better off with the 30 month limit. Before it was introduced, farmers kept cattle right till the very end of the grazing year and then complained when they couldn't get cattle into the factory. At least with the age limit it forces a more even supply throughout the year and helps reduce the end of year glut.

cristeoir · 10-06-2014 02:11PM

Muckit wrote: »

And as for the sh*t pedalled at all these beef walks by Teagasc and the likes, brow beating the farmer even more by making them feel they are the root cause of our poorly paid beef sector.

lads wouldn't be long improving and increasing output I can tell you if the real incentive was there..... money. Never going to happen on a widespread scale until a more consistent and fairer price is achieved. Anyone that does is only playing into the hands of the factories even more.

Wish I could thank that a thousand times cos you summed it all up in a nutshell Muckit

Muckit · 10-06-2014 02:31PM

Robson99 wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with the grid except that the increments should be about 8cent and not 6cent. 6 cent was based on a base price of around €3/kg iirc.
They should increase pro rata with the beef price

Mf240 might have meant QA instead of grade grid.

Farmer Pudsey · 10-06-2014 03:30PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Of course they matter. Should the guy producing an O grade get the same as the guy producing a U grade??? I dont think so

Yes. ''U'' grade cattle produce steaks and roasts that are too big. So a lot of the round fges as mince which there is not much of a premium over oprdinary mince. The supermarket spec is an animal grading O+/R- killing 320kgs(I think) FS 3=/+ if I remember right.

Why do Irish butchers target heifers killing 220-250kgs and grading O+/R- . Because that is what the housewife wants. A young couple on a friday evening do not want a two 3/4 steaks with there bottle of wine. If they are having a meal they want two nice sized steaks (6-8oz) with just a nice trim of fat(they will not eat it anyway it is just for visual appearance). Beef competes with pork and chicken on price and on size. Do you se the size of pork chops in supermarkets. Neither are there huge striploins suitable for barbeque's. Round is amoung the hardest meat to shift at present from what I understand too tough to fry. U/E grade cattle produce copious amounts of this and to make matters worst on heavier cattle it is impossible to shape the roasts.

P+O- cattle killing 360 kgs are much more suitable than the same weight U grade cattle. Steaks are still small enough(although a bit long with poor shape) and plent of mince on the front quarters.

Robson99 · 10-06-2014 03:40PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Yes. ''U'' grade cattle produce steaks and roasts that are too big. So a lot of the round fges as mince which there is not much of a premium over oprdinary mince. The supermarket spec is an animal grading O+/R- killing 320kgs(I think) FS 3=/+ if I remember right.

Why do Irish butchers target heifers killing 220-250kgs and grading O+/R- . Because that is what the housewife wants. A young couple on a friday evening do not want a two 3/4 steaks with there bottle of wine. If they are having a meal they want two nice sized steaks (6-8oz) with just a nice trim of fat(they will not eat it anyway it is just for visual appearance). Beef competes with pork and chicken on price and on size. Do you se the size of pork chops in supermarkets. Neither are there huge striploins suitable for barbeque's. Round is amoung the hardest meat to shift at present from what I understand too tough to fry. U/E grade cattle produce copious amounts of this and to make matters worst on heavier cattle it is impossible to shape the roasts.

P+O- cattle killing 360 kgs are much more suitable than the same weight U grade cattle. Steaks are still small enough(although a bit long with poor shape) and plent of mince on the front quarters.

So why are all the farming bodies trying to get people producing better quality and grade cattle??Should we all be going out buying zebras and p grade weanlings of zebras??

There is only so much of a market for export of weanlings. A lot of people producing these U grade cattle bring them right through to slaughter themselves. People producing these U grade cattle should be rewarded for doing so IMO

severeoversteer · 10-06-2014 03:49PM

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I'll be shot for saying it, but I think you are better off with the 30 month limit. Before it was introduced, farmers kept cattle right till the very end of the grazing year and then complained when they couldn't get cattle into the factory. At least with the age limit it forces a more even supply throughout the year and helps reduce the end of year glut.

I know but with teagasc and farmers journal trying to get all suckler farmers to tighten up the calving period we would end up with gluts of 30 month old cattle all at once if say every farmer aimed to calve all stock within the month of February say

Farmer Pudsey · 10-06-2014 04:00PM

Robson99 wrote: »

So why are all the farming bodies trying to get people producing better quality and grade cattle??Should we all be going out buying zebras and p grade weanlings of zebras??

There is only so much of a market for export of weanlings. A lot of people producing these U grade cattle bring them right through to slaughter themselves. People producing these U grade cattle should be rewarded for doing so IMO

Why do people want British Queens frop not to mid august anf then want Kerr Pinks and will take roosters after christmas. Because that is there preference. Yes there is only so much of an export market for high quality weanlings. Look at the BB market after the main exporter went bust last year. Irish farmers find them unsuitable.

I was talking to a lad that was at a discussion group a bit back there is a lad that weight his calves and adjust there weight for a 200 day weight. He is finding that the smaller cow is producing a heavier calf. This lad is taking his replacment heifers if these cows. He is targeting a cow that will calf in Feb/March weigh 550kgs that will produce a calf that will gain 1.2kgs/day from birth to weaning. Then finish the bulls at 16 months in June/July.

Too many farmers get caught up on the back end of the animal and forget about weight gain/day.

willfarmerman · 10-06-2014 04:33PM

Enniscorthy mart today lighter bullocks as dear as ever they were. Stronger stuff back a bit but fooocan farmers lads!

ellewood · 10-06-2014 04:41PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

Enniscorthy mart today lighter bullocks as dear as ever they were. Stronger stuff back a bit but fooocan farmers lads!

Head down to Ross next week, was there for half an hour on Sat and only saw heifers but trade was dire, no one to buy anything doom and gloom everywhere ( it reminded me of the beef threads on here:D) I never seen it as bad and taught the bad trade in factories was really hitting trade/confidence which I hadnt seen in a long while.

willfarmerman · 10-06-2014 04:46PM

Bit of a spin from me never in before. I hear Richie on radio with report of Kioews alright! Are you speaking from a sellers perspective?

ellewood · 10-06-2014 05:01PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

Bit of a spin from me never in before. I hear Richie on radio with report of Kioews alright! Are you speaking from a sellers perspective?

Neither, just doing a few jobs that way and called in for a look.

Was sorry I hadnt room for a few more at the money - sher ya couldn't but make a ball of money buying them at that price:)

willfarmerman · 10-06-2014 05:08PM

:DWell if a man on the internet tell you something it must be true!!

ellewood · 10-06-2014 05:20PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

:DWell if a man on the internet tell you something it must be true!!

Ha, thats why I told ya to go youreself, the money you will make will more than cover the diesel down to ross and when youre a millionare next year dont forget me....:D

mossiemag · 10-06-2014 08:11PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

I would guess it will have straightened up a bit by then. Work your budget off a 3.75 base and how do you work out?

Well i know what the have cost me at this stage. And i'm just estimating what it will cost to finish them and working my total cost against the base rate needed... a lot of guess work but i dont think i will be far out..

willfarmerman · 10-06-2014 11:03PM

mossiemag wrote: »

Well i know what the have cost me at this stage. And i'm just estimating what it will cost to finish them and working my total cost against the base rate needed... a lot of guess work but i dont think i will be far out..

What base rate do you think you need to leave a 100€ margin?

mossiemag · 10-06-2014 11:47PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

What base rate do you think you need to leave a 100€ margin?

Somewhere near 4 euro. It all depends where they are at in September condition wise. That will determine how long more i need to keep them and how much ration they will eat.
BTW i'm new to finishing so my figures may be a little out.

willfarmerman · 11-06-2014 07:30AM

mossiemag wrote: »

Somewhere near 4 euro. It all depends where they are at in September condition wise. That will determine how long more i need to keep them and how much ration they will eat.
BTW i'm new to finishing so my figures may be a little out.

When I knew nothing I made a bit o money but when I thought I knew something I made nothing!

willfarmerman · 11-06-2014 09:20PM

3.75 is what they are saying for next week. I have 3.80 for killing next week in Liffey but that's what they are on Monday next he says.

Farmer Pudsey · 11-06-2014 09:39PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

3.75 is what they are saying for next week. I have 3.80 for killing next week in Liffey but that's what they are on Monday next he says.

They may find it hard to pull prices next week. lots of farmers attention will turn to silage and hay so they may find as they drop farmers lose interest.

allbuiz · 11-06-2014 10:31PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

They may find it hard to pull prices next week. lots of farmers attention will turn to silage and hay so they may find as they drop farmers lose interest.

Yeah and when the soccer is on prices should be steady Enof too as the focus will be on watching the Brazilian ladies!!

willfarmerman · 11-06-2014 10:50PM

allbuiz wrote: »

Yeah and when the soccer is on prices should be steady Enof too as the focus will be on watching the Brazilian ladies!!

Yes

So with the hill billy farmers busy makin hay they won't have time to sell the few cattle and the factory managers will be distracted by the Brazilian lovelies they won't pull price again.

allbuiz · 11-06-2014 11:49PM

willfarmerman wrote: »

Yes So with the hill billy farmers busy makin hay they won't have time to sell the few cattle and the factory managers will be distracted by the Brazilian lovelies they won't pull price again.

And the Brazilian farmers will forget to feed the cattle and the rest of the world will turn to little Ireland for beef and the problem will b sorted until the next over supply.

simx · 12-06-2014 01:11AM

allbuiz wrote: »

And the Brazilian farmers will forget to feed the cattle and the rest of the world will turn to little Ireland for beef and the problem will b sorted until the next over supply.

That's tonight's dream sorted anyway

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