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willfarmerman

3.85 for bullocks Liffey meats this week.

heavysteer

willfarmerman wrote: »

3.85 for bullocks Liffey meats this week.

Is that for all under 30 months or mix of under and over age

severeoversteer

i find both liffey and moyvalley pay not a s well as other factories

visatorro

What are cull cows making this weather, iv eight Friesans to go with ranging in conditions. Just gonna kill them. Don't have grass or space to fatten them and will be glad to see them gone tbh

simx

visatorro wrote: »

What are cull cows making this weather, iv eight Friesans to go with ranging in conditions. Just gonna kill them. Don't have grass or space to fatten them and will be glad to see them gone tbh

heard quotes of 2.90 for o&p cows for this week, would you not sell them in mart or private? cattle not fit going isnt the best thing imo, pm me if you are interested in selling as i may be interested

freedominacup

visatorro wrote: »

What are cull cows making this weather, iv eight Friesans to go with ranging in conditions. Just gonna kill them. Don't have grass or space to fatten them and will be glad to see them gone tbh

We got €700 for one batch straight out of parlour two weeks ago and €750 for another batch with around a months grazing gone into them again in the past few weeks.

willfarmerman

heavysteer wrote: »

Is that for all under 30 months or mix of under and over age

Underage.

simx

freedominacup wrote: »

We got €700 for one batch straight out of parlour two weeks ago and €750 for another batch with around a months grazing gone into them again in the past few weeks.

What price did ye get? I got 3.20 for O&P cows that time, quoting circa 2.90 now, in QA herd

Mike1961

I'm not sure if this info has been posted already .. but the Dept of Ag post the prices to their website every week...

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmingsectors/beef/beeffactorypricesweeklyreports/2014/meatmarketreport-averagepricesincludingvatforsteerscowsheifersandyoungbulls/

larrymiller

In the post today

Bodacious

Is that just E11 Bord Bia bonus per animal ?? That's not worth diddly

tanko

What happens if cattle are in spec for age, grades and fat score but are over 380kgs carcase weight?

larrymiller

tanko wrote: »

What happens if cattle are in spec for age, grades and fat score but are over 380kgs carcase weight?

You get docked just like you would if they were over 400kg

tanko

larrymiller wrote: »

You get docked just like you would if they were over 400kg

How much will you get docked for overweight carcasses?

larrymiller

tanko wrote: »

How much will you get docked for overweight carcasses?

I'm not sure. Some of the lads here know. I don't have that problem ha!!

tanko

larrymiller wrote: »

I'm not sure. Some of the lads here know. I don't have that problem ha!!

Fair enough. I like the way they use the excuse of "market requirements driven by consumer demand" for cutting the carcase weight. I wonder will this affect the price finishers are prepared to pay for continental cattle?

larrymiller

tanko wrote: »

Fair enough. I like the way they use the excuse of "market requirements driven by consumer demand" for cutting the carcase weight. I wonder will this affect the price finishers are prepared to pay for continental cattle?

It's there excuse for everything, smaller cuts etc?
Hard to know about the finishers , to a certain extent I'd say yes

willfarmerman

tanko wrote: »

Fair enough. I like the way they use the excuse of "market requirements driven by consumer demand" for cutting the carcase weight. I wonder will this affect the price finishers are prepared to pay for continental cattle?

As I said earlier the when the factory buys in pennies the farmer still buys in pounds. The good continental always gets a rob relative to other types and always will.

freedominacup

simx wrote: »

What price did ye get? I got 3.20 for O&P cows that time, quoting circa 2.90 now, in QA herd

These girls were a summer from finishing. This was a by hand price in the yard.

mossiemag

well lads

If the over kill of 100k is complete by Aug. Does that mean that cattle will be in short supply and the price might increase??

larrymiller

mossiemag wrote: »

well lads

If the over kill of 100k is complete by Aug. Does that mean that cattle will be in short supply and the price might increase??

Probably not. The factories have plenty of cattle in there feed lots to balance out for a while IMO

simx

freedominacup wrote: »

These girls were a summer from finishing. This was a by hand price in the yard.

Oh I misunderstood, sounds like ya got on alright in that situation so

willfarmerman

3.80 planned for bullocks next week Liffey meats and Dunbia.. And the grass cattle are starting to appear now. What will the job bottom out at lads? I'm guessing aound the 3. 60 mark.

Farmer Pudsey

willfarmerman wrote: »

3.80 planned for bullocks next week Liffey meats and Dunbia.. And the grass cattle are starting to appear now. What will the job bottom out at lads? I'm guessing aound the 3. 60 mark.

If it hits that it will not be for too long IMO. Kill is very high at present. See different figures for excess cattle this year. I taught that there was 100K at start of year on CMS. Young bull kill is up 13K and cows up 7K at present and overall kill is up 83K.

If we take away extra cows (farmers reducing supply) and young bulls( next years cattle that leaves 63K extra killed. we are killing at the rate of 5.5K/week. Over the next few week what will matter is how many decided to target higher June price and how many of these were from July/August suppliers. Factory's are holding back Friesians I hear, is this because these are least libel to go over fat.

Only fly in the ointment is the heifer kill up 30K. However this could be owners targeting June. If the kill continues as is we will kill over 200K extra cattle this year where will they all come from sums are not adding up.

larrymiller

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If it hits that it will not be for too long IMO. Kill is very high at present. See different figures for excess cattle this year. I taught that there was 100K at start of year on CMS. Young bull kill is up 13K and cows up 7K at present and overall kill is up 83K.

If we take away extra cows (farmers reducing supply) and young bulls( next years cattle that leaves 63K extra killed. we are killing at the rate of 5.5K/week. Over the next few week what will matter is how many decided to target higher June price and how many of these were from July/August suppliers. Factory's are holding back Friesians I hear, is this because these are least libel to go over fat.

Only fly in the ointment is the heifer kill up 30K. However this could be owners targeting June. If the kill continues as is we will kill over 200K extra cattle this year where will they all come from sums are not adding up.

2+2= 12

willfarmerman

There is a backlog here locally of 2 weeks. They can pull the price. They will pull the price and they are pulling the price. There is no point in trying to do a George lee type analysis on kill figures. Last years beef price was a bubble blew up off the horse meat scandal. Normal service has resumed. We will not see 4 euro a kilo again until this time next year at best.

tim04750

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If it hits that it will not be for too long IMO. Kill is very high at present. See different figures for excess cattle this year. I taught that there was 100K at start of year on CMS. Young bull kill is up 13K and cows up 7K at present and overall kill is up 83K.

If we take away extra cows (farmers reducing supply) and young bulls( next years cattle that leaves 63K extra killed. we are killing at the rate of 5.5K/week. Over the next few week what will matter is how many decided to target higher June price and how many of these were from July/August suppliers. Factory's are holding back Friesians I hear, is this because these are least libel to go over fat.

Only fly in the ointment is the heifer kill up 30K. However this could be owners targeting June. If the kill continues as is we will kill over 200K extra cattle this year where will they all come from sums are not adding up.

Surely carcass weight reduction will mean they need more heads to make the kilos required, so not really accurate to count heads as a measure of the kill.

on another note I've been to the factory three times in the last fortnight and the holding pens looked sparse other than the day I dropped off cows made two trips one morning with heifers, and only saw one other guy dropping stock

tim04750

willfarmerman wrote: »

3.80 planned for bullocks next week Liffey meats and Dunbia.. And the grass cattle are starting to appear now. What will the job bottom out at lads? I'm guessing aound the 3. 60 mark.

You're doin a fine job of talking down prices there lad, remind me a lot of a fella used to post similar stuff here week in, week out , can't remember his name.

willfarmerman

tim04750 wrote: »

You're doin a fine job of talking down prices there lad, remind me a lot of a fella used to post similar stuff here week in, week out , can't remember his name.

Fianna fail used to accuse people of talking down the economy too!

Farmer Pudsey

TBH all I gave was an analysis of what the cattle figures are. Everybody is talking about how may extra cattle are in the country we are getting through them fast. Like I said only issue is heifers, if farmers are not replacing cows it will skew the figure for the whole year then the factory's will control the kill for rest of year.