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Way to go Sinn Fein

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  • #1562
    wintersolstice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭wintersolstice


    frimpong wrote: »
    I disagree. People under 25 have grown up with little to no experience of the troubles. People under 18 have grown with no experience of the troubles whatsoever. Most young people now have no hang ups about Sinn Fein as they will have only ever known them as another political party. Sinn Feins support will only grow over the next ten years imo, particularly in the under 25 age group.

    Very scary to think that shower of lunatics would ever be in power down here.their economic policies are rubbish and all they really want in a united ireland........dreadful thought


  • #1563
    davycc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭davycc


    At long last, after 38 hours of counting, Matt Carthy has been elected as Sinn Féin MEP for Midlands North West.

    That's four out of four a chairde!

    Congratulations to Lynn, Liadh, Martina and Matt!

    Sinn Féin Abú!:D


  • #1564
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    davycc wrote: »
    Sinn Féin Abú!:D
    Translation: "Ourselves forever"

    http://sebastiansgames.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Forever_Alone.png


  • #1565
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Well now that they have a mandate both in Europe and in a number of local authorities where they will hold the balance of power, let's see them deliver on their policies - we await with interest !!!


  • #1566
    davycc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭davycc


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Translation: "Ourselves forever"

    http://sebastiansgames.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Forever_Alone.png

    1/10 for effort-i know this is the AH forum but thats not good enough:pac:


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  • #1567
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,340 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    They did very well


    Will Cork get a SF lord mayor now?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1568
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    davycc wrote: »
    1/10 for effort-i know this is the AH forum but thats not good enough:pac:
    I'll endevour to meet your standards next time Davycc.


  • #1569
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    If SF's transfers (Carthy) elect Pat the Dope, I am never voting for them again.


  • #1570
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Spring Onion wrote: »
    If SF's transfers (Carthy) elect Pat the Dope, I am never voting for them again.

    I reckon Pat will be counting on Thomas Byrne more than Matt Carthy for transfers tbh.


  • #1571
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Byrne has been eliminated and his preferences distributed - think they are distributing the Carthy surplus now, 5000+ votes , Harkin ahead by 2000 , Gallagher will probably need 50% of Carthy surplus to overtake her ?? Could be a recount on the way ???


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  • #1572
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,086 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


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    The surplus that is being counted came from Byrne therefore so will probably go more to Gallagher although I do not think enough will


  • #1573
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    wintersolstice wrote: »
    Very scary to think that shower of lunatics would ever be in power down here.their economic policies are rubbish and all they really want in a united ireland........dreadful thought



    yes....because the economic policies over the last 5 years are a rip roaring success:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #1574
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    yes....because the economic policies over the last 5 years are a rip roaring success:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Imagine our debt if SF had been in power over the last 5 years.


  • #1575
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Imagine our debt if SF had been in power over the last 5 years.

    we wouldn't be paying for german bondholders in banks

    a bondholder was to be equal to a saver AFAIK...so the most they should have got for each bond was 100K...not the full amount + interest

    its all insignicant anyway...as mathematically...short of finding a huge oil well under the whole country....the debt as it is wont cant be paid off...they will struggle with the interest in the future


  • #1576
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Imagine our debt if SF had been in power over the last 5 years.

    This comment should be directed at FG tbh. After all they were the main opposition party who were giving out that the FF Govt "weren't giving away enough"


  • #1577
    Spring Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Byrne has been eliminated and his preferences distributed - think they are distributing the Carthy surplus now, 5000+ votes , Harkin ahead by 2000 , Gallagher will probably need 50% of Carthy surplus to overtake her ?? Could be a recount on the way ???

    Yes Byrne gone and tally showing that Pat the Dope is getting 70% of Carthy's 5000+ surplus. It will be very very tight. I reckon Harkin by 100-200 votes.


  • #1578
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Imagine our debt if SF had been in power over the last 5 years.
    Remember we were shut out of the markets? they couldnt have done jack ****, we had the bailout, we had to get it back to within 3% gdp. Now they could have went a different route with the spending cuts or tax hikes...
    This comment should be directed at FG tbh. After all they were the main opposition party who were giving out that the FF Govt "weren't giving away enough"
    bear in mind FF had more money than they knew what to do with, they were in the right place at the right time, you are in opposition, election is coming up, what are you going to say "vote for us, we are going to stop the giveaway budgets, put thousands back in the tax net, practice prudence?! This is the Irish electorate we are talking about, look at the gains FF have been making recently. I thought they would be in the wilderness for at least 10 years! It was win /win, claim you will give away more, you might get in, if the economy tanks and the others party screws up, you are in by default...

    After the disastrous blanket bank guarantee, there options were very limited, there is no bloody easy option or magic money tree, does anyone think the biggest populists in society are inflicting austerity for the sake of it?!


  • #1579
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Imagine our debt if SF had been in power over the last 5 years.

    Imagine if we hadn't elected Bertie and he's merry band of crooks and cabal of developer friends!


  • #1580
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    its all insignicant anyway...as mathematically...short of finding a huge oil well under the whole country....the debt as it is wont cant be paid off...they will struggle with the interest in the future
    Says who? Short of the very unlikely possibility of SF getting an overall majority every major political party is dedicated to paying off the debt in full.
    Banjo String wrote: »
    This comment should be directed at FG tbh. After all they were the main opposition party who were giving out that the FF Govt "weren't giving away enough"
    And now SF are doing the exact same thing.


  • #1581
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Imagine if we hadn't elected Bertie and he's merry band of crooks and cabal of developer friends!
    I dont know, you wonder would someone else have simply done exactly the same, bear in mind we have never had money before, never had the boom and bust. Most countries have experienced this and hence tend to try and run a far steadier ship, Germany would be the model of prudence in this regard, obsessive about inflation and competitiveness. We have learned a bloody serious lesson, the question is, have we learned anything, it appears not. Everything has its cost. Populism and the "easy option" the costliest one of all!


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  • #1582
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Says who? Ireland will pay off all it's debt, short of the very unlikely possibility of SF getting an overall majority every major political party is dedicated to paying off the debt in full.

    its mathematically impossible...its just not doable (and you suggesting SF economics are mad:pac::pac::pac:)...they are delaying inevitable trying to pay it off
    attempting to save the banks will haunt this country for a very long time to come...they are still not rightly functioning


  • #1583
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »

    And now SF are doing the exact same thing.

    I think they gave out about billions needlessly paid out to bondholders. (okay you got me, so did FG)..... Until....


  • #1584
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    its mathematically impossible...its just not doable
    Do you have anything to back that up?


  • #1585
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Imagine our debt if SF had been in power over the last 5 years.

    I would rather have Sinn Fein representing my country in EU negotiations over a debt deal than any of gormless Enda Kenny, "Labour's way or Frankfurt's way" Labour (surprise surprise, it was Frankfurt's way in the end), and especially over Fianna Fail who jinxed the country with 100 years of debt


  • #1586
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Do you have anything to back that up?

    In a report on the Irish economy earlier this year, the IMF warned that “if real GDP growth were to stagnate at 1 per cent per year in the medium term … debt would be on an unsustainable path to 136 per cent of GDP by 2021.” The Department of Finance expects real GDP (computed by deducting inflation from nominal GDP growth) this year to be just 0.2%. The official Fiscal Advisory Council has just warned that the probability of breaching the 2015 deficit ceiling of 3% of GDP “has risen from an estimated 1-in-3 to an estimated 1-in-2”.
    from this report
    http://cormaclucey.blogspot.ie/2013/12/has-irish-economy-turned-corner.html


    do you in all honesty...see Ireland achieving the growth rates to even maintain sustainability to pay off interest...no mind principal????

    the last time a country came from bad off was AFAIK britin in the 19th centuary...and it had an industrial revolution
    where do you see Irelands ind rev coming from??


  • #1587
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Says who? Short of the very unlikely possibility of SF getting an overall majority every major political party is dedicated to paying off the debt in full.

    This isnt the issue. Of course we will pay off our debt its which debt and how much we should be paying off this is the issue. Our debt/GDP ratio last year was 120% whereas before that from the 80s till last year it averaged around 73% its just to high. Investors use debt/gdp as a marker of a countries ability to pay off its debt and this is in turn affects our borrowing costs and bond yields. To put that in context the official EU level is 60%. Interest alone on our national debt next year is going to be equivalent to two thirds of the total income tax taken in 2012 and that obviously means that that money is taken away from other areas and thats just interest. Our debt is unacceptably high and its why we need this deal on our legacy bank debt our diplomats need to make that happen. The ESM fund in the future will be used if banks get into difficulty and it will stay off a countrys balance sheet but its tough look Ireland retroactively so far they arent prepared to deal. and thats boll0x as far as Im concerned its an unacceptable attitude our so called parteners are taking considering the hit we took at the behest of the ECB protected the rest of the EU from a contagion. we need to make them deal.


  • #1588
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    In a report on the Irish economy earlier this year, the IMF warned that “if real GDP growth were to stagnate at 1 per cent per year in the medium term … debt would be on an unsustainable path to 136 per cent of GDP by 2021.” The Department of Finance expects real GDP (computed by deducting inflation from nominal GDP growth) this year to be just 0.2%. The official Fiscal Advisory Council has just warned that the probability of breaching the 2015 deficit ceiling of 3% of GDP “has risen from an estimated 1-in-3 to an estimated 1-in-2”.
    from this report
    http://cormaclucey.blogspot.ie/2013/12/has-irish-economy-turned-corner.html


    do you in all honesty...see Ireland achieving the growth rates to even maintain sustainability to pay off interest...no mind principal????

    the last time a country came from bad off was AFAIK britin in the 19th centuary...and it had an industrial revolution
    where do you see Irelands ind rev coming from??

    Well if fianna fail get back in power we can start mass manufacturing voting machines, that will get the manufacturing industry moving!

    And well have no doubt replace all the water meters, because you can be sure there will be something wrong with them.

    And the envelope industry will take off under fianna fail again!


  • #1589
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    In a report on the Irish economy earlier this year, the IMF warned that “if real GDP growth were to stagnate at 1 per cent per year in the medium term … debt would be on an unsustainable path to 136 per cent of GDP by 2021.” The Department of Finance expects real GDP (computed by deducting inflation from nominal GDP growth) this year to be just 0.2%. The official Fiscal Advisory Council has just warned that the probability of breaching the 2015 deficit ceiling of 3% of GDP “has risen from an estimated 1-in-3 to an estimated 1-in-2”.
    from this report
    http://cormaclucey.blogspot.ie/2013/12/has-irish-economy-turned-corner.html


    do you in all honesty...see Ireland achieving the growth rates to even maintain sustainability to pay off interest...no mind principal????

    the last time a country came from bad off was AFAIK britin in the 19th centuary...and it had an industrial revolution
    where do you see Irelands ind rev coming from??
    The central bank takes a rather more optimistic view.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland/central-bank-predicts-2-1-growth-in-economy-in-2014-1.1672045

    "Gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to grow by 2.1 per cent this year, GDP growth will rise to 3.2 per cent next year."

    "Gross national product (GNP), is expected to grow 2.2 per cent this year and 2.5 per cent in 2015."

    "The debt-to-GDP ratio has peaked at a slightly lower level than previously expected, the Central Bank’s projections indicate, with latest estimates suggesting the deficit for 2013 will come in below the 7.5 per cent GDP target set under the European Commission’s “excessive deficit procedure” monitoring system"

    Given the lack of evidence I don't think it's justified to say our debt is unsustainable and indeed defaulting now would severely damage our reputation on the markets.

    I agree with you though that interest is crippling, that's why it's vital we continue with austerity and cut as much as possible, and as soon as possible, out of government spending to help pay off our principle.


  • #1590
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    count in Castlebar suspended for the night- only 200 votes between Harkin & Gallagher, Harkin ahead , recheck of votes to start in the morning !!


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  • #1591
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »

    I agree with you though that interest is crippling, that's why it's vital we continue with austerity and cut as much as possible, and as soon as possible, out of government spending to help pay off our principle.

    Irish Water consultants and a few (2k) not needed staff to 'run things' contracted in for the next twelve years (not months) lambasting you right now Disagree (prob)


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