SPOILERS: We're Alive Discussion

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muff03 wrote: »

Yeah, this hospital storyline isn't agreeing with me, seems a really stupid idea. If someone was critically injured and then Lizzy went into labour then that'd be somewhat okay.

And judging by the name of the chapter we're probably loosing someone and the child will finally be born. So who'll it be? Datu looks the obvious choice so I'd say not. Lizzy in childbirth? Or the Burt sacrifice? Scratch is making an appearance since they made a deal of saying the location over the radio.

Yep they said the name of the location over the radio in yesterday's episode, but the also did it in the episode from two weeks ago and they gave out the location over the radio and over the landline (they left a message on the answering machine with the location) so not exactly the most security focused folk.

Funny how the supposed chain of communication is suddenly gone though. They made a big deal of saying that the comms would be still up and running despite the leaving of the Colony. The Scratch appearance I think they telegraphed thanks to them really overstating the fact they were leaving the address on the answering machine as well as constantly saying it over the radio.

Also the underground tunnel thing. If they only walked a mile in the tunnel to get to the Arena then how did they not know they were that close to the Arena when they first went to the church? Fair enough Vic might not be familar with the area, but Michael and Datu would have been on that side of the city before.

Also (but I will have to check an older episode to be sure) how is it they came up in the arena, albeit an arena with some damage and debris, when the arena was meant to have been blown to pieces in season two? Seem to recall that the Mallers (when they had Lizzie with them) brought a number of oil tankers rigged with explosives to the arena and BOOOOM!. Also seem to recall discussion between Michael & co saying the Arena had been flattened and that they had checked out the ruins of the place a number of times when searching for Ink. Surely a big entrance to a tunnel would have been something they would have found if they searched the ruins.


Am still thinking that Vic might be the one to bite the bullet though. Think the arena was not a massive distance from the hospital, and now that Vic, Michael and Datu are above ground their radio should be fine. Something about the speech Saul gave Vic about looking after Lizzie and the baby a month or so ago made me think that Vic will get it trying to save Saul/Lizzie/baby.

Better episode than normal. The pacing seemed improved, and some of the sound effects and musical cues actually added to the episode for a change.

Did laugh when the pile of bodies and body parts in the arena was still intact though. They were all uninfected humans and as such should really have decomposed quite a bit in the close to a year ( in series time rather than real time) that has passed since Angel and Riley hid there.

The behemoths puzzle me a little in how they are portrayed. In some past episodes they were able to keep pace with a moving truck, and in some they seem to move at closer to human speed.

Michael's comment at the end about Ink/Bill Roberts is another thing that went slightly against what we already know. If we are back to Ink being the creator of the creatures ( funnily enough they were referred to as zombies by Michael this week, after it long being established that they are actually air breathing, need food to survive and actually alive), then the nationwide and worldwide outbreaks that were reported on the TV channels could not have all happened at the same time.

Next week should see someone die though. The life and death name to the chapter does suggest that the baby is the life part. I think Kelly is now safe from dying because of the fact a passage from her diary describing the behemoth attack was played, and the only way she could have written that passage into her diary was if she survived the hospital saga.

Am expecting Scratch and her gang to arrive though and then Burt and Riley to arrive. But am now thinking that one group turns up at the arena and one group turns up at the hospital.

Still think that Victor is going to get it.

Another thing that crossed my mind was the possibility of Skittles showing up. Has been a loooooong time since he last showed up (season 2) and he would recognise Datu and Riley as being friendly because he has met both before.

Ron DMC wrote: »

Datu is on his way out, he's either gonna turn completely and join the hordes or Michael will go through with his promise at/before that point. I reckon that's the "death" in the chapter title.
I don't see why we'd spend a huge chunk of the last chapter saying goodbye to him if he's only gonna end up hanging around for ages afterwards.

Not saying Victor mightn't go as well, but Datu's death is a given at this point.

Think they might drag out the Datu storyline a bit longer actually. He even seems to be getting stronger as time goes by. If we think back to a few days after he was bitten, he was weak and was having trouble standing.

Now he is walking about normally, and having less and less by way of weak spells.

Have a feeling that Datu is a red herring with regards to the chapter title. Given how close we are to the live chapter and then the series finale that will follow that chapter, I think Datu will be around a bit longer at the very least.

So is Datu actually dead? Is Lizzie actually dead?

Wil one or both come back?


Will Ink come after Saul's baby? My first thoughts were that Ink would want the baby to make a new little one, or that the baby would be different because of Saul's condition. Then the latter idea made no sense because Lizzie was pregnant long before the Mallers caused the tower to collapse, and Saul have the iv line attached to him when he and Burt were out searching for Lizzie, so she would have been pregnant before Saul was shot with the bullet that had Tommy's blood on it.


Biut still think the baby will be a target for Ink.


The behemoth in the hospital was a bit odd. Will have to listen back, but when the original hospital chase happened ( Burt, Kalani, Riley, and Angel) they were able to escape the big ones because only the regular sized ones could get to the roof after them, but last night the behemoth was able to get to the roof.

Michael's comment about Angel struck me as odd as well. Why would he ask Victor if Angel said when he was at the arena? None of them had even met Victor back then (they did not even know about the Colony at that point) and am pretty sure that Michael himself (was when Angel saw Michael for the first time after the Waterworks incident) was in one of the vehicles that came to rescue Angel & Co after the Arena stuff. Is the second time in the past few episodes that Michael has asked a question about Angel that he should have known himself. New writers on the show maybe?




All in all though it was still a decent episode, well compared to the majority of episodes from last season and this season it was.

Given how few chapters are left, I get the feeling that a hell of a lot of stuff from the earlier seasons are going to go unanswered/unresolved.


Am never going to find out more about the aquatic creatures that popped up for one epsiode :mad:


And we are still waiting for the "take the fight to them" stuff that ended season three to actually happen. Am guessing that special bomb that they still have from season three will be set off in the final chapter. Maybe someone has to stay behind to set it off manually and that will be the big sacrifice play

So any thoughts on the latest episode?


Felt it was a bit meh after the recent improvements in episode quality.

Getting bored of Ink being some sort of mastermind Bond villan style baddie. The tunnel already being sealed up was a bit of an OTT moment for me. Ink can be that much ahead of the lads, yet takes the time/effort to fill in a tunnel rather than just taking them out when there were only two of them.

Was half expecting him to be waiting there sitting on a chair with a white cat on his lap, just eager to explain his evil masterplan to the two lads.


The Burt/Riley bit felt a bit tacked on, especially seeing as it was set before the deaths of Datu and Lizzie. Just felt like a very very long way to explain why they did not respond to the radio calls for help, and also to work Scratch into the picture again.

Ron DMC wrote: »

Awful episode. If they're not gearing up for a proper face-off with Scratch in this chapter, I'll be really disappointed.

At least it was confirmed by Bert that Lizzie and Datu are both properly dead, no lingering storylines there.

I wonder if they are, because the Burt/Riley bits in the first episode are from Burt's diary of what happened, and they often use these flashbacks heavily in bridging chapters.

Have a feeling that Scratch will be alive until at least the live chapter (chapter 47), but think it more likely that she will make the finale and that they will try to neatly end it all then. Still am of the thinking that the "special" creature killing bomb that they have had since they fled Fort Irwin in season three will be the great leveller and that someone will have to stay with the bomb to activate it manually after something goes wrong with the controls.

NEW EPISODE DAY


I think


Edit: It is. The latest episode is on itunes now.

So another new episode and yet another dull attempt at a set up episode.

Seems the last three episodes all built towards a cliffhanger only for the next episode to go nowhere.

Only three chapters left in the entire series now, and we are back to limping towards the end again.

Yet another set up/dull episode



Nothing at all of note.

The same stupid stuff about the well. The same waste of time talk about the move back to Dunbar.

Pretty much everything else that was being set up over the past 6 to 8 weeks worth of episodes has ground to a halt be it Scratch following a convoy, Burt/Riley with the Maller.


And this boring "take the fight to them" rubbish has been threatened since season three ended with Michael spouting off a line to that effect. The same talk of taking the fight to the creatures and Ink must have been trotted out at least four or five times this season, and it is always followed by three, four , or five set up episodes that go nowhere.

The lack of creatures for the most part this season has been a let down. People driving cars and trucks around the city and hardly a peep from the creatures. Whole convoys leave the colony and no attacks are made when the humans are out in the open.

The worst thing about this final season is that there has been no real feeling of threat. No feeling that the creatures are going to attack enmasse, no feeling that the mallers are about to strike. Just feels like all factions are just off watching soaps on tv and not too bothered.

Even things like the massive tall creatures from the finale of season three have more or less vanished. The odd behemoth has popped up (hospital and prison) but the many of the other various types that were introduced in the earlier seasons have seemingly been forgotten.

The big crack in the ground as ground zero is no longer being treated as something important. The fact that world wide outbreaks were happening at the same time has been ignored in favour of Ink being some kind of kind of string puller for it despite the fact that Ink was human when the outbreaks were happening in other countries.

All the news reports that were tivo'd in season one or the military information about the rest of the country/world from season three seems to forgotten now, and every now and then Michael will act surprised at some new "discovery" despite the fact he would have seen or heard the same stuff first hand in the earlier seasons.

Have been relistening to season one in the car of late and this morning I listened to chapters 7 and 8.

The difference in storytelling, sound effects, musical cues etc is staggering when compared to the current season.


The changes to the creatures is something I can never get over. Bear in mind we are only talking maybe 12 to 18 months in terms of how much time has gone by within the WA universe.

There are some really nice touches in the first season though. Things like how Angel reacts when he first hears the voice of Scratch.

muff03 wrote: »

Yeah, ploughing through season 2 at the minute, with Angel and Kalani getting the rations at the army base. When the shore was on its game, it was excellent to be fair.

Ahh yes, them in the dark warehouse with the little ones making noises was pretty cool.

The footrace with the behemoth in that episode was done so much better than the recent one at the hospital.

What I don't get is how the speed of the creatures varies so much. Kalani and Angel were chased on foot by a behemoth in the episode you were listening to, and they were just about staying ahead of the behemoth.

At the hospital Saul and Kelly were just about able to stay ahead of one.

But when Victor and Saul came back to the site of the tower at the start of season three, a regular behemoth was able to keep pace with a moving truck.

And in the first season when Burt, Saul, and Lizzie are out checking out the tankers the creatures were able to keep up with a car doing between 45kmph and 60kmph. But in later episodes we see people being chased on foot over long distances by the creatures.

What really gets me from the very first episode is how the creatures back then responded to sound. Michael and others stayed sitting in their stationary cars on the freeway, and the creatures did not go to attack them, and instead went after the guy who was honking his car horn, but as the seasons went on the creatures would attack at any hint of movement and come running at the slightest sound or the slightest whiff of sweat. Then in season four we had trucks (at times travelling in convoy), cars, gunshots, people covered in sweat etc all fail to draw in creatures.

A flowerpot falling from a balcony was enough sound to bring in creatures from miles away in season one.


And I really miss that loud howl/roar that let you know a large number of creatures was on the way.

Begorrah tis a new episode day to be sure for sure.


Tune in later to see how the lads and lasses at Dunbar get on against the rogues.


Given tonight is the final part of chapter 46, we could have a wait until our next fix.

According to the official We're Alive site, Chapter 47 will be done live on the 19th July with the finale starting just over an hour after the live episode finishes.

But according to the site the July 19th finale will not be broadcast online until a week later.

http://www.zombiepodcast.com/news/were-alive-series-finale-event/

muff03 wrote: »

July 19th is a Saturday. Will we try for a live thread for the finale? One last time into the fray and all that?

The finale on the 19th will only be played for those who are present at the live event. The website says that the finale will be put up online for the general public a week later.


What I don't get is how there is an episode in two weeks time as advertised at the end of yesterday's episode.


The We'ra Alive website says that on the 19th July chapter 47 will be done live and then chapter 48 (the finale) will be played after it.

But the two weeks later thing after yesterday's episode suggests that part one of chapter 47 will be online in two weeks time.


As for yesterday's episode. Another massive pile of meh. And the skirmish scene near the end had some of the worst effects and biggest lack of urgency in the voice acting that I have heard in the entire series.


And we are back to ground zero being the start of the outbreak. Despite it being confirmed by the army and media (from as early as season one) that the outbreak was a worldwide one. Even Kalani's timeline had the outbreak in full swing in Hawaii at the same time as it was kicking off in LA, and the general at Fort Irwin confirmed that the entire east coast of America had fallen along with most of Europe.

Burt and Riley deciding to have a few drinks when in enemy territory? :rolleyes:

Was after getting used to the early release they've been doing with the least chapter. Is this the penultimate chapter so?

More limping towards the finale.


This being infected by gas is a joke. We went the bones of four seasons without the creatures turning into gas when killed, and now we seem to be going down the route of them doing that.


Don't like the "oh it is because of us humans in LA that poor Ink had to keep making more better monsters" either. It totally discounts the descriptions of the creatures from the East coast of America not to mention the fact that the creatures were on the Island of Hawaii at the same time, as well as there being outbreaks worldwide.


Just stinks of a lot of retconning to try and make things fit.

And I guess the mallers and Scratch will be popping up soon after all the false starts in their storyline this season. Had long thought that Scratch might survive the whole thing, but what are the chances of Scratch being the new creature? Maybe she was captured by Ink and uber mutated or something.

I'm only at the end of season three but I'm so glad to have found somewhere to discuss We're Alive; nobody I know likes it. I'll post back when I catch up.

muff03 wrote: »

I thought that this is just concentrating on killing Ink, and that is accepted that there are creatures elsewhere, just not like in LA. Was that not the point to the retcon?

They've to kill Ink, or he will keep coming for them, getting the creatures together to band after them? I don't think they're saying that the others don't exist, nor that they'll be removed once Ink is.

That's where I was at anyway, after last week.

Just feels horribly disjointed and that they are trying to shoehorn in various retcons to make things fit, rather than try to make past storylines make sense.

Have a feeling that the final episode will see a mish mash of old storylines all suddenly get resolved and certain things from past timelines, plotlines etc will all be ignored just so things can be more or less tied up in the final episode.


Oh and I bet the aquatic creatures will not even get a mention. Those poor brave stars of the show.

And we could have a further delay in terms of getting to hear the finale (unless you want to pay to hear it a few days after the July 19th event.)


Seems that the finale will be heard by those attending the Finale event on the 19th of July.

Then it will be made available to the general public on the 21st July but only if they pay $5 for the download.


The finale will then be made available as a later date for free, but that date has not been disclosed as of yet.



Details are in the link

http://www.zombiepodcast.com/news/were-alive-the-series-finale/




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Kess73 wrote: »

So there we have it. The penultimate chapter is done and dusted.


Any thoughts?


Scratch and two mallers being able to disable the heavily fortified Dunbar tower in minutes? And they are now carrying a minigun complete with ammo. Wonder if the minigun is going to prove crucial in stopping Ink in the final episode.

And Ink's underground lair. So have the creatures now gone from being zombies to being infected humans to being some sort of ants making complex tunnel networks

And the robot has now been damaged by Ink. Maybe a set up for a storyline where someone has to be a big sacrifice by setting off the explosives manually?

well i am guessing ink knew they would come for him. the picture for the last episode has ink using puppet strings for 2 or more people. so the implication is he has actually lead them to this point. skittles said he would know they used him. i think thats what the smiling into the camera was...he is taunting them to come git some deep inside. the question is who will go in to set off the explosives.. also is he also waiting outside dunbar for the scratch attack to get all the people there?

for a while i had assumed ink was going to dig around dunbar to collaspe the foundations.

on the underground lair thing, i actually quite like it. its a bit like riddick pitch black, the creatures that only appear at points in time. i am guessing the implication is they have been there since the, well hell the dinosaurs.they then appear, almost wipe all animal life out, bury themselves, decay giving off the gas (aka how they reproduce) and wait for {enter number of years here] only to be exposed at some time in the future when their existence is long forgotten and rinse and repeat.

i did like the fact that ink only bumped into by accident the image that 'saved' him. he had used so many tattoos he then went about finding out which one worked. still cant figure out why dathu was marked with that image by randy, was he needed for something? the whole ink is doing this as a defence was total pants. the episode i really liked was the soldiers in the prison one, the caught me off guard with that. i was guessing one of them would get it..but the 3 guys who had some great lines was a surprise to me.

i assumed all over the world whats left of the creatures are digging in to dissolve, at least thats how i took it. LA just has the added issue of a guy whos insanity fits right in and is tweaking them to his own purpose. didnt they say they were all starving since they pretty much wiped out all life? the water based ones were starving way way back. also the ones around the colony were slightly different from the LA ones and the hawaii ones were nasty, so you get something local to the environment they are are i guess is the implication.

i do agree it looks like the writers of LOST got involved, just throw enough crap up in the air and hope for the best approach. i am hoping it ends well or at least wellish...

on the scratch attack, i thought she rammed dunbar with a truck. i know the behemoths were big but CJ did have that metal spikes on the door thing going on to stop them getting up a head of steam (didnt she?). also did scratch use all the RPG's or does she still have some of them?

it will be interesting to see how it finishes...heres hoping it wont be complete crap.

On the subject of the final episode, when do folks here think we should discuss it?


Am going to assume that none of us will be at the evemt in LA where it will be played for the first time to the public.

But some here might opt to buy the episode on the 21st when it becomes available to purchase. But that would mean that those who want to wait for it to be broadcast free on the 29th could have the finale spoiled for them if they came on here and the episode was being discussed.


Maybe we should reach an agreement amongst ourselves here not to discuss the happenings of the final episode until the 30th July so that way we don't spoil it for fellow Boardsies?

It's 23.37 here in NYC, so it's still

FINAL EPISODE DAY!

(sorry Kess, didn't feel right if the last one was missed!)