SPOILERS: We're Alive Discussion

DakotaYoda

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DakotaYoda

I'd like to start by saying:

1. I cannot stand Kilani. I do believe I'm coming to truly hate the ass-kisser.
2. Datu I used to like... not so much anymore.
3. Scratch - I hate her. She's perfect for the character she plays.
4. The new Gatekeeper.... that voice makes my skin crawl.

SUNGOD

yeah there is something very sinister about the gatekeeper

kalani is a frustrating prick who i would not want to have watching my back

i know we havent met "marcus" yet but as he is the leader and possibly a dictator he could easily be corupted by too much power
everyone is too cautios to give michael,pegs or kelly any information or maybe they are too afraid to.

since listening to the latest chapter ive been thinking how close to impossible it would have been to build such a secure and vast complex as the one they are now in
is there a name for the new place? cant remember it was called anything

DakotaYoda

Backing up a bit - you have any thoughts on who the traitor was when the Mallers attacked the tower? I noticed on the wiki someone noted it was Bill as he didn't actually help fight off the Mallers and he was the one that stole all the supplies.... make a bit of sense I guess.

I wonder if the Colony is the one that took all the weapons from the 223rd's storage depot of weapons and MRE's?

And I agree - this, almost, magical safe zone, The Colony, with protective walls and relative safety seems too good to be true. I think Marcus may make the Mallers look like nice guys.

SUNGOD

yeah they thought at the time that it was bill but he did help fight off the mallers.
he was blasting away with his shotgun side by side with them ,michael even said this after he died.
but it would make sense that it was him as he did hide all the ammo and michael thought thats why the mallers choose that night to attack when they were all half pissed and with no ammo.

only other candidate would be kelly as she wanted to let in the the mallers and did everything to undermine michaels authority, and latch and scratch approached the tower and came into lobby on her watch

even though now she is ok she had her moments earlier on

DakotaYoda

I thought Bill had his shotgun but didn't return fire and then got taken out by the pipe bomb but I don't recall exactly. I hope they clean up that question at some point tho...

SUNGOD

what do you think about events at the ice stadium? personally as exciting and thrilling as it is i find it hard to beleive that Z's would have a system where only the longest caputured are brought to the stadium centre to be tortured and killed.
kind of a first captured first killed
im not complaining as i think all these plot twist make it superior to a generic Z tale but its just a thought
Z hierachy any opions?

DakotaYoda

Yeah that part was a bit weak to me, the arena, that is. Datu started to irritate me during that time although the premise does seem to work.

Recently we've learned that the zombies will eat just about anything, including MRE's, and we're heard reference to smart-zombies too. So I'd guess that maintaining a stable food supply, ie survivors locked up until they are eaten, is believable.

Skittles gives the best rundown on all the different Zombie types and says to, especially, stay away from Book Stores and Doctors - I am assuming these are super-smart Z's or something and may control the other Z's. Skittles also mentions that other zombies stay away from the tattooed ones.

Not sure what all that means but I think a hierarchy is sure implied. But how are the different zombies made? Thats what I'm curious about...

Here is the wiki list but nuttin' about smart zombies yet - http://zombiepodcast.wikia.com/wiki/%22Zombies%22

SUNGOD

from what i gather im guessing the virus finds its hosts strength and mutates it using it to try keep it alive(well dead alive if ya know what i mean) and pass on the virus.
so a big dumb american footballer would mutate into one of the big "behemoth" as skittles called them

a runner or track and field host would become a fast Z
and a doctor/academic a smart zombie
leaving all the normal joe soaps as normal Z's
thats why these mutated Z's are rarer then normal Z's

now i could be way off but its a theroy

now the tatooed Z's could just be bad ass Z's maybe murderers or psycho's before the outbreak maybe prison tatoos

im guessing the tatoos are pre outbreak and not the Z's marking there leaders
if the Z's are marking there leaders then it brings the hierachy and their intellegence to a new level

DakotaYoda

That all sounds about right to me.

I'm really curious as to the colored/tattooed zombie. He seem to be a bad man. And I'd guess they'll be running into a super-smart Z before too long...

Marcus may be the bigger and more immediate problem but we'll see.


Nother discussion point - how does Scratch know Angel? Couple that w/ his hot wiring skills and Angel was a spoiled rich boy that must've gotten into some trouble at some point.

AndyKiely

FINALLY LISTENED!

The last episode was a big change from what has been usually happening. It was fairly slow and not much happened I think, apart from a one or two answers.

I like that they have included Hope (Samantha's daughter). We also heard a slight explanation about Micheal's broken arm. It wasn't the best one for myself. I thought it was a bit slow. I do like the thought of Marcus being an "overseer" type person who mightn't let them leave.

DakotaYoda wrote: »

Nother discussion point - how does Scratch know Angel? Couple that w/ his hot wiring skills and Angel was a spoiled rich boy that must've gotten into some trouble at some point.

I would imagine that Angel was in the military for some reason. I don't think you would generally find rich people enlisting their kids in the Army. I think he was a juvenile delinquent and was put in military school and he probably knows Scratch from his younger days and knows how to hot wire cars.

That's my opinion anyways.

SUNGOD

AndyKiely wrote: »

I would imagine that Angel was in the military for some reason. I don't think you would generally find rich people enlisting their kids in the Army. I think he was a juvenile delinquent and was put in military school and he probably knows Scratch from his younger days and knows how to hot wire cars.

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yeah thats sounds ok to me, really looking forward to meeting marcus
i have a feeling they will have to escape their new home to get that antibiotic shot back to saul

AndyKiely

SUNGOD wrote: »

yeah thats sounds ok to me, really looking forward to meeting marcus
i have a feeling they will have to escape their new home to get that antibiotic shot back to saul

I see them going to the other Tower down the line. It is still fortified, they just need to set up something so INK can't get in again. Also they can get Hope to lead the way, she is blind now but she wasn't always so she would still know the way.

DakotaYoda

SPOILER STUFF ON CURRENT POSTING - Chapter 18 Part 3.






Angel made me laugh my ass off after he dove through the window w/ the Tank chasing him. Funny stuff - "Holy mother of Mary - and some other guy I can't remember. Catholic school was so long ago."

And Kilani actually sacked up and shot the tank as it was trying to get back up from the building collapsing on it. He also helped Angel out after he got all cut up - and Skittles saves the day w/ the truck! Bet that's not the last we see of him.


It sounds like the 3 that made it into the Outpost are screwed. Holly told them they won't be allowed to go back to their friends. Uh-oh.... Curious how she said the Gatekeeper didn't like her either. Just because she's a 'weak link' or I wonder if there is another reason.

wavehopper1

I hope Angel and Kilani get back to the tower without any delays, otherwise we'll have the story split in three locations which I don't like.

Right now, I'm not overly enthused about the colony - it's an introduction of a whole new group and mystery, which means that the writers can put on hold the exploration of the relationship with the mallers, and more interestingly, the observations of the zombie "society" based in the stadium. Hate to say it, but it reminds me a bit of the strategy of the Lost writers :rolleyes:.

But the bad-ass nurse has potential, I like the women who put Michael in his place! I can see a scenario where she's forbidden by Marcus to help a sick person (Saul) and because of her ethics decides to help the trio break out with medical supplies.

SUNGOD

yeah the sooner they get back to the tower the better for me

it looks like as soon as the colony invests something into a new resident(fixing michaels arm) then that person is immediateily indebted to the colony.
and the fact he is a soilder makes him very useful.
i hope marcus is as nasty as i imagine him to be
so when michael breaks his jaw with the butt of a rifle it will be even sweeter

DakotaYoda

Yeah I'd say its pretty obvious, by this point, that the Colony is not going to be a good place to be. Could be that we see a Maller/Tower team-up against the Colony? I dunno - have to wait and see what this Marcus guy is all about.

The Mallers are not out of it yet. There's too much storyline still hanging on them.

And they've GOTTA get Saul back up and going. I miss him.

DakotaYoda

Well Chapter 19... nice to meet ya!

Marcus is a con. Pretty obvious he was never in the military. Michael knows that too. The problem now - they are trapped and Marcus isn't going to let them go.

I do wonder what Hope spilled all over that got Marcus so pissed... urine I'm guessing? Could be something more sinister but I'm not sure yet.

Perhaps Michael takes his job offer and then arranges to get the other 2 out, along w/ medicine for Saul? Dunno - but they are going to have to find a way out one way or another.

But Michael clocking that punk guard with a shovel - PRICELESS!!! Wish he would have hit him again.

I'm also wondering who Michael thinks "He tried to warn us". I'm guessing Victor but not sure. Would not expect it to be the Gatekeeper.

Man - can't wait for Part 2 of the Chapter!!!!

phill106

DakotaYoda wrote: »

I do wonder what Hope spilled all over that got Marcus so pissed... urine I'm guessing? Could be something more sinister but I'm not sure yet.

Yeah, pretty sure that was the bedpan that that doc asked her to empty that knocked into him

DakotaYoda wrote: »

Perhaps Michael takes his job offer and then arranges to get the other 2 out, along w/ medicine for Saul? Dunno - but they are going to have to find a way out one way or another.

Id say micheal has to take the job now that he used it as an excuse for the nice shovel to the face
I think the medicine for saul will have hope involved somehow, maybe she is sent away because of marcus, someone goes with her, and perhaps she remembers enough about her original tower to show micheals tower where it is?

DakotaYoda wrote: »

But Michael clocking that punk guard with a shovel - PRICELESS!!! Wish he would have hit him again.

It did rock, your man was an idiot if he didn't see that coming. As for backtalking after.....

DakotaYoda wrote: »

I'm also wondering who Michael thinks "He tried to warn us". I'm guessing Victor but not sure. Would not expect it to be the Gatekeeper.

Man - can't wait for Part 2 of the Chapter!!!!

I think he meant victor too, he definitely seemed to be telling them all is not well in the citadel before they went in



I kind of missed there being no zombies in this episode though, other then that, great episode!

DakotaYoda

Still no zombies - but wheels are moving in The Colony. Part 2 is up and I really enjoyed it!!

phill106

DakotaYoda wrote: »

Still no zombies - but wheels are moving in The Colony. Part 2 is up and I really enjoyed it!!

Me too. Im hoping that the transmitter of the colony was strong enough to be heard in the tower, but the transmitter of the tower was not strong enough for the reply to be heard


Need to get bert and co on the road, road warrior style!

DakotaYoda

Whoa..... Chapter 19 is one of the best yet. Just finished Part 3 and I LOVED it.

Just in case you've not heard it yet, and yes I know this IS the spoiler thread but -

They FINALLY make it back to the tower!!!!

phill106

also just listened to it and loved it! best episode ender of the last few chapters!
Loved the drama at the end too!
Found datu annoying at the end though with his blubbing!

SUNGOD

yeah im just loving it. no Z's at the moment but thats ok

i wonder will we see a big four way battle, the tower, mallers , gatekeepers following and the Z;s

or maybe a 3 on 1 with the first 3 teaming up against the Z's
it will be interesting to see how and when the mallers and gatekeeper are brought back into story

DakotaYoda

I'm hopin' Michael takes a shovel to the Gatekeeper like he did the guard that tazered Pegs!!! That dude's voice creeps me out... can't quite picture him in my head yet but I'm pretty sure he needs a beatdown.

DakotaYoda

Reminder this is a spoiler thread...

Chapter 20 Part 2 is good stuff. VERY good stuff.



Holy hell - I KNEW Tanya knew Saul somehow - sure as hell didn't know it was his mom though. whoa...

Still listening. Halfway through right now.

phill106

knew it as well, surprised she didnt go straight to his room though!

allanb49

i want to know how michael got out after he broke his arm, thats kinda been glossed over....

phill106

I heard them asking the actor who plays micheal that in the we're not dead podcast. The actor himself doesn't know, director won't tell him..yet

SUNGOD

chapter 21 "mark of the beast" out now

DakotaYoda

Holy hell - Bert actually made me laugh. Chapter 21 part 3.... I LOVE Airplane.

deise go deo

With regards the different type of Zombies, I think it started as a Science/Military experiment to create new weapons. The Behemoths, runners, Little ones and Jumpers were never human but created in a Lab. (IMO)

I think that because they suggested that the Jumpers have died out and that would mean a limited starting pool rather than them being created from the infected population, also the little ones had a number tattooed on them which would suggest batch numbers of some sort..

When they got loose and attacked normal people, they either became normal Z's or smart ones.

As for the Colored/tattooed one, there was a piece in one of the early episodes about a tattooed prisoner's trial. He was a murderer and schizophrenic, I think he might have become the tattooed zombie.

As for the man in the pin striped suit, I don't know why, but I get the feeling that he might have been involved in the out brake out in the first place, maybe being on the team of scientists that created the first Zombie creatures.

DakotaYoda

I'm with ya Deise. I think we're dealing w/ a man-made disaster. At this point it is hard to say if it has spread across the globe yet, from what I recall.

I wonder if some of the Mallers might know more about this, as former prisoners who I assume were tested on, and that is why they are currently trying to blow up the arena and whatever else it is they are doing... I'd also like to know what kind of radios they have and how they decoded the zombie language, aka howls, screams, etc...

The pin stripe suit is who I wonder about as well... I have no good handle on who or what that guy is. Only for sure thing is that he's trouble.



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DakotaYoda

Whoa - has anyone else listened to Chapter 22 Part 1 yet?!?!?! Helluva ending!


Need to discuss....

deise go deo

DakotaYoda wrote: »

Whoa - has anyone else listened to Chapter 22 Part 1 yet?!?!?! Helluva ending!


Need to discuss....

Damm You and your computer with working speakers:(

DakotaYoda

deise go deo wrote: »

Damm You and your computer with working speakers:(

Got headphones???? It's seriously worth it... don't want to spoil it though, even though this IS a spoiler thread.

Ok - I guess I will. :rolleyes:

Who did the shooting and did he/she shoot Pippen AND Hope? That's tough if they shot a blind teen... but such is life in the Zpoc!

phill106

Just listened to it, oh my god!
Sounds like pippin knew him, some cold blooded killer to kill both of them.

SUNGOD

oops

SUNGOD

so they must be the tower traitor who hid the ammo etc, yeah?

phill106

yes i would say so, maybe it wasnt bill!
this is the thread tagged spoilers though, no need to hide your post

DakotaYoda

I think Bill DID steal the ammo, etc - but there is another traitor in the tower. Probably someone that was in touch w/ the mallers and tried to help them take the tower earlier.

And yeah - Pippen did know him/her it sure sounded like. I'd bet the alarm in the armory was a distraction to get them outta the guard post. But was the goal to get rid of Pippen or Hope? Or to just make a mess? Could be he/she shot the radio and not Hope to cut off communicatoin?

Guesses? My vote is that there is more than one person involved but I don't know who. Steven? Kelly? Pegs? Saul's Mom?

It was someone that got the silenced pistol out of the bag Bert and Saul had...

Wow... really can't wait until next week.

phill106

DakotaYoda wrote: »

I think Bill DID steal the ammo, etc - but there is another traitor in the tower. Probably someone that was in touch w/ the mallers and tried to help them take the tower earlier.

And yeah - Pippen did know him/her it sure sounded like. I'd bet the alarm in the armory was a distraction to get them outta the guard post. But was the goal to get rid of Pippen or Hope? Or to just make a mess? Could be he/she shot the radio and not Hope to cut off communicatoin?

Guesses? My vote is that there is more than one person involved but I don't know who. Steven? Kelly? Pegs? Saul's Mom?

It was someone that got the silenced pistol out of the bag Bert and Saul had...

Wow... really can't wait until next week.

Def not sauls mom if the killer shot hope!

Well done on the silenced pistol, I forgot bert and saul couldnt find it in their bag.

DakotaYoda

phill106 wrote: »

Def not sauls mom if the killer shot hope!

Well done on the silenced pistol, I forgot bert and saul couldnt find it in their bag.

Yeah my bet is on Steven and Kelly - I think it's a 2 person job. First break into the armory to cause a disturbance and then the other takes out Pippen and Hope/radio.

Either way - is it Monday yet??

phill106

I just hope they dont pick 2 randomers as the bad guys, that would be lazy.

DakotaYoda

phill106 wrote: »

I just hope they dont pick 2 randomers as the bad guys, that would be lazy.

Yeah - it'd better be 2 real characters. If they randomly let some nobody be the killer or the accomplice I'll be very disappointed.

DakotaYoda

1. BAM the radio is toast
2. Hope is alive
3. Pippen is dead

Wow... nother great episode. My question is - is the traitor still a traitor to the tower or did he/she just want to take out Pippen so he couldn't identify him/her as being a Maller? Either way - there is still someone in the tower they can't trust. Not sure how Lewis-the-fake-killer idea is going to work either.

Pegs - the chopper pilot? Another wow... I was afraid they were going way off and going w/ Hope or something crazy.

SUNGOD

DakotaYoda wrote: »

My question is - is the traitor still a traitor to the tower or did he/she just want to take out Pippen so he couldn't identify him/her as being a Maller?.

surely the traitor cant be anyone pipen has seen in the tower as he would have recognised them?
so anyone that came in contact with pippen in the tower is in the clear

cant think of the name of survivor(male) who made burt (put pressure about one rule for burts friends etc) kick out lizzy , thought he was the obvious traitor , i think he was asked to keep watch of pippen but kicked up a fuss and got off guard duty(probabily so pippen wouldnt see him)
his name escapes me, think he caused a bit of trouble over some other issues a few episodes ago
anyone help me?

DakotaYoda

SUNGOD wrote: »

surely the traitor cant be anyone pipen has seen in the tower as he would have recognised them?
so anyone that came in contact with pippen in the tower is in the clear

cant think of the name of survivor(male) who made burt (put pressure about one rule for burts friends etc) kick out kelly , thought he was the obvious traitor , i think he was asked to keep watch of pippen but kicked up a fuss and got off guard duty(probabily so pippen wouldnt see him)
his name escapes me, think he caused a bit of trouble over some other issues a few episodes ago
anyone help me?

I think that guy's name was Steven - he helped get Lizzy kicked out of the tower and I'm with ya there. He looks the most guilty to me.

phill106

DakotaYoda wrote: »

1. BAM the radio is toast
2. Hope is alive
3. Pippen is dead

Wow... nother great episode. My question is - is the traitor still a traitor to the tower or did he/she just want to take out Pippen so he couldn't identify him/her as being a Maller? Either way - there is still someone in the tower they can't trust. Not sure how Lewis-the-fake-killer idea is going to work either.

Pegs - the chopper pilot? Another wow... I was afraid they were going way off and going w/ Hope or something crazy.

Also i dont buy lewsis alibi. Ok he was fixing the generator because he was supposed to be doing and he smelt of gas. gas smell would cover smell of firing a weapon nicely wouldnt it?

thought it would have been funny if pippin hadnt been dead, he was just fooling the poor blind girl (hope).

DakotaYoda

phill106 wrote: »

Also i dont buy lewsis alibi. Ok he was fixing the generator because he was supposed to be doing and he smelt of gas. gas smell would cover smell of firing a weapon nicely wouldnt it?

thought it would have been funny if pippin hadnt been dead, he was just fooling the poor blind girl (hope).

phil.... I'm sitting at my desk laughin my butt off about your idea of Pippen foolin' Hope. Thas cold blooded... and I find it hilarious!

And where did this Lewis guy come from?? Don't remember him at all. To bring him in and not even mention Steven is a bit off. Lewis could have spilled a bit of gas on himself to stink and cover his tracks after he shot Pippen.
Same could go for Riley and the booze... I don't think of her as a killer - but we're really not sure where she came from, exactly, before she got to the tower. Who knows....

Kess73

DakotaYoda wrote: »

I think that guy's name was Steven - he helped get Lizzy kicked out of the tower and I'm with ya there. He looks the most guilty to me.

I think Steven is being used as a red herring to throw people off. He just seems a bit too much like an obvious choice.


I'm thinking Kalani is the traitor. We only have his word that he came from the other tower, plus if we think back to when he was in the arena with Sarah and Datu, Sarah did not know who he was. He was just some guy on the floor. If he was from the other tower Sarah should have known him, especially if he is a distinctive guy due to his size/weight. But with Sarah dead there is no one to say he was not in the other tower as Hope is blind.

Plus it is only since he got to the tower that the Mallers arrived and had the right station for the CB.


I have a feeling that he is a Maller that got captured and taken to the arena and when he was rescued from there along with Datu he bided his time and passed on info to the Mallers.

Which led to the mallers attacking the tower, and if I am right, has led to the mallers leaving their mall just as Michael and the boys were about to attack it.

I also think that he has the Maller convoy enroute to either the fort or the Colony.