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Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

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  • #5432
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Jeez Louise folks!

    I've had to delete a few posts in this thread and probably should have deleted more. Implying a poster supports Nazi policies is not on. Calling them a simpleton is not on and for the love of God if you feel peeved by posts don't respond in kind!

    :(

    Try to keep things civil. Flaming words boths ways isn't going to resolve anything. It's clear you have diverging opinions on this. So please, try to respect the other person's character. If you can't do that then take a break and come back when you post a civil post.


  • #5433
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Ugh yeah, but you can't decide who you're attracted to before choosing to have sex. That's the point.

    By your logic straight people choose to be straight because they choose to have sex with the opposite sex.

    Actually, thats not the point. The point is that a previous poster insinuated that the colour or gender of a person, is comparable to the actions of a person.


  • #5434
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Actually, thats not the point. The point is that a previous poster insinuated that the colour or gender of a person, is comparable to the actions of a person.

    SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT AN ACTION, ACTION IMPLIES CHOICE!

    Since both skin colour and sexual orientation cannot be chosen, bigotry and racism are the same thing as they share the same central premise.


  • #5435
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Jernal wrote: »
    Jeez Louise folks!

    I've had to delete a few posts in this thread and probably should have deleted more. Implying a poster supports Nazi policies is not on. Calling them a simpleton is not on and for the love of God if you feel peeved by posts don't respond in kind!

    :(

    Try to keep things civil. Flaming words boths ways isn't going to resolve anything. It's clear you have diverging opinions on this. So please, try to respect the other person's character. If you can't do that then take a break and come back when you post a civil post.

    Don't mean to be pedantic, but as the only member of the other side, and my amazing powers of deduction, I can't help but see that "Flaming words boths ways" and "don't respond in kind!" implicate me in this warning. I don't believe that you warning fairly represents what happened. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel offended by the insults etc, but I really don't see how you can say that there were 2 sides at fault tbh. I understand my views are the anti-thesis to your own in this subject, but I don't belive your implication is fair. I called nobody names in the face of being called a nazi and a simpleton.
    Respectfully,
    Jimi.


  • #5436
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT AN ACTION, ACTION IMPLIES CHOICE!

    Since both skin colour and sexual orientation cannot be chosen, bigotry and racism are the same thing as they share the same central premise.

    Race is not a choice, having sex is. You said so yourself:
    "you can't decide who you're attracted to before choosing to have sex"

    The fact that sex is an action is the very reason why comparing matters of sexual intercourse to race or gender is so ludicrous.


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  • #5437
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Tbh, I never called you a simpleton. I said that was such a simpleton post.

    Attack the post, not the poster. And technically I never directly called you anything. Any offence you may have experienced from that was self inferred.

    Technically, I'm off scot free.


  • #5438
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Race is not a choice, having sex is. You said so yourself:
    "you can't decide who you're attracted to before choosing to have sex"

    The fact that sex is an action is the very reason why comparing matters of sexual intercourse to race or gender is so ludicrous.

    Sexual orientation is not the same as sexual intercourse. I keep making that distinction but you keep ignoring it and derailing it.

    So tell me, what's the difference between discriminating against skin colour and sexual orientation -baring in mind that sexual orientation deals with which gender you're attracted to.

    No mention of sex because that's a different argument. For example I had a fairly good idea I was gay before I had sex, you see, I understood and realised my attractions so I was better able to conclude my sexual orientation


  • #5439
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Tbh, I never called you a simpleton. I said that was such a simpleton post.

    Attack the post, not the poster. And technically I never directly called you anything. Any offence you may have experienced from that was self inferred.

    Technically, I'm off scot free.

    No offence experienced here, though your 'technicality'? Come off it :)


  • #5440
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Firstly, there was no need to announce that he is sexually attracted to men to his students in assembly. You spin it as 'he was honest enough', but really, the amount of times people go on about how a persons sexual habits are no-one elses business, yet you applaud a person who decides to announce it and make it into a big deal. However, the bigger issue is that he is looking to promote his sexual behaviour as acceptable. Now I understand that this is perfectly fine with those who agree with what he is promoting, but it is not ok for many, and the teacher knew this. It really does come down to the teacher using his position to promote his views to the children in his school. How would you feel if the teacher in your educate together school decided to use their position to promote Christianity?
    He added: ‘I came out at school in an assembly after a group of 11-year-olds held up a poster they made headed “Gay is good”.

    Yep,perfectly legitimate circumstances to come out under. Just because insufferably bigoted individuals view it to be unacceptable should not mean he should hide away when his students are more tolerant than many fully grown fools.
    JimiTime wrote: »
    Believe me, I acknowledge the unfortunate view that people of your view insist on calling God and all his followers bigots or whatever explicit names you choose. Even more unfortunate, is that many people still don't believe that LGBT activism will continue to turn its gaze towards people of faith and demand they assimilate to their views. The question is, what will be the punishment that you eventually demand for those who do not neglect God in favour of your views.

    Curse them and their expectation to be viewed as the very normal people that they are.
    JimiTime wrote: »
    His sexual activity is irrelevant. If he has orgies nightly or is completely celibate it has no bearing. The issue is the promotion of homosexuality as perfectly fine and good. Like I said, that seems perfectly acceptable to those who agree with it, but there are many parents who do not want their childrens school being used as a platform to promote such an idea. Would you like to see primary schools being used to promote the idea that gay is not good?

    Tolerance should be encouraged in schools. You've highlighted the need for tolerance in schools tbh when you are so obsessed with expecting a teacher to hide his orientation away while the students are being millions of times more tolerant than you.
    JimiTime wrote: »
    Race is not a choice, having sex is. You said so yourself:
    "you can't decide who you're attracted to before choosing to have sex"

    The fact that sex is an action is the very reason why comparing matters of sexual intercourse to race or gender is so ludicrous.

    The method you encourage is to deny your sexual orientation,pretend your straight and marry a woman. You've claimed for an age that sleeping with someone of the same orientation is immoral but you can't show any reason for it being immoral besides the bible telling you so. One does not choose their sexual orientation,your method of reparative therapy or denial is far more damaging for a person. You'll now claim you don't have any major opinion on reparative therapy but you really do...

    You find it to be more of an issue that a minor in certain states in America can't receive reparative therapy than a person being honest about their sexual orientation. If this is what you consider to be the moral backbone of Christianity,it's pretty damn warped. Thankfully,most that I know who call themselves Christians would not endorse such warped viewpoints on subjects.


  • #5441
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Tbh, I never called you a simpleton. I said that was such a simpleton post.

    [...]

    Technically, I'm off scot free.
    "Simpleton" is a noun which describes a person, not an adjective which describes a quality, so it's completely reasonable to conclude that your post was insulting.

    Technically, that's a cardable offence, so off your high-horse please and stick to the rules.


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  • #5442
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    JimiTime wrote: »
    If people want to have sex with whatever, thats their prerogative. Thats not the issue. The issue is demanding that we all agree that its perfectly fine, and in the context here, insist that they teach our children that its perfectly fine. You will notice that the man in questions sexual behaviour is not my issue, but rather his insistance on preaching to children that its perfectly fine. I am fully aware that I live in a world of various views and beliefs, some I agree with, others I don't. Being a tolerant guy, I accept it. However, there is a difference between accepting that a teachers sexual preference is his business, and a teacher insisting on teaching pupils that his sexual behaviour is perfectly fine.
    JimiTime wrote: »
    His sexual activity is irrelevant. If he has orgies nightly or is completely celibate it has no bearing. The issue is the promotion of homosexuality as perfectly fine and good. Like I said, that seems perfectly acceptable to those who agree with it, but there are many parents who do not want their childrens school being used as a platform to promote such an idea. Would you like to see primary schools being used to promote the idea that gay is not good?

    Why do you believe homosexuality is wrong?


  • #5443
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    JimiTime wrote: »
    More spin I see :(



    And people still insist that gay marriage will just mean gay people will get married.

    I don't understand the above. Do you think that people - presumably heterosexual - other than gay people, will avail of gay marriage, when they already have the right to marry in a church or civil registry office? How peculiar.

    Edit:in your other post - to which I posted a question - included a mention of difference between a teachers sexual preferences and a teachers sexual practices, the second of which your post distinctly stated that the teacher was telling the pupils/children about. You specifically mentioned both his sexual preference and his sexual practice, do you stand by that?

    I see you put up the question: would you like to see primary schools being used to promote the idea that gay sex is not ok? I find that question to be an oxymoron when posted in relation to a teacher being fired by his school for telling his pupils he's gay and (according to you) telling them about gay sex, practices you seem opposed to from your other posts, and that you seem to approve of the school's act in firing him
    .
    Please pardon me for my getting excited by JimiTime, I've got the bit between my teeth so I can type up question-responses.


  • #5444
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Meanwhile, in the Land of the So Brave:
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/07/linda-harvey-homeless-gay-teens-have-only-themselves-to-blame/

    (credit to aloyisious for posting this in the Politics forum)


  • #5445
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Meanwhile, in the Land of the So Brave:
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/07/linda-harvey-homeless-gay-teens-have-only-themselves-to-blame/

    (credit to aloyisious for posting this in the Politics forum)

    Woo.... reddner much :D


  • #5446
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Meanwhile, in the Land of the So Brave:
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/07/linda-harvey-homeless-gay-teens-have-only-themselves-to-blame/

    (credit to aloyisious for posting this in the Politics forum)

    Just like it was all the fault of a close friend of mine that she ended up at being dragged to a psychiatrist aged 15 to be 'cured'.

    Same woman is now aged 30 with a high powered job in the UK and about to 'Gay' marry her been together 8 years partner and her mother is wondering why she isn't invited..


  • #5447
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Race is not a choice, having sex is. You said so yourself:
    "you can't decide who you're attracted to before choosing to have sex"

    The fact that sex is an action is the very reason why comparing matters of sexual intercourse to race or gender is so ludicrous.

    Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle choice.You're born that way. It's normal. Sexual intercourse, however, can be a behavioral choice. The only lifestyle choice is choosing to be out and comfortable with who you are, seeking equality and all that or choosing to stay in the closet.

    Telling people that being gay is ok and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it is not promoting homosexuality. It's promoting equality.


  • #5448
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Just like it was all the fault of a close friend of mine that she ended up at being dragged to a psychiatrist aged 15 to be 'cured'.

    Same woman is now aged 30 with a high powered job in the UK and about to 'Gay' marry her been together 8 years partner and her mother is wondering why she isn't invited..

    That's a sad story. :(


  • #5449
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,071 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    old hippy wrote: »
    Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle choice.You're born that way. It's normal. Sexual intercourse, however, can be a behavioral choice. The only lifestyle choice is choosing to be out and comfortable with who you are, seeking equality and all that or choosing to stay in the closet.

    Telling people that being gay is ok and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it is not promoting homosexuality. It's promoting equality.

    That's the problem though. Some groups don't want homosexuals being considered equal in schools, be it as employees or a topic in a lesson.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5450
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Just came across this game about our gay friend Vlad, from this article here.

    Just one question, should we have a boardsies competition?


  • #5451
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Just came across this game about our gay friend Vlad, from this article here.

    Just one question, should we have a boardsies competition?

    http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/32260

    :pac:


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  • #5452
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Links234 wrote: »
    http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/32260

    :pac:

    My attempt.


  • #5453
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,071 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    South Carolina Senator Convinces University To Cancel Play, Says It Was ‘Recruiting’ Lesbians
    South Carolina state Sen. Mike Fair (R), who believes homosexuality is “not normal,” has convinced the University of South Carolina Upstate to cancel a satirical one-woman show called, “How to Be a Lesbian in 10 Days or Less”:
    FAIR: It’s just not normal and then you glorify, or it seems to me, that the promotion at USC is a glorification of same sex orientation… That’s not an explanation of ‘I was born this way.’ It’s recruiting.

    That's right, a one-woman show about life as a lesbian is "recruiting". :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5454
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    That's probably the seventh stupidest thing I've read in this thread today. The other 6...well, you can probably guess.


  • #5455
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Could not resist. http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/32269

    I went for a sensibly mainstream look with some added accessories. Couldn't get the right boots though, but I think the beard/tash suits him. :D


  • #5456
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    My attempt.

    Ooooh, I didn't spot the crocodile clips! My bad...


  • #5457
    FouxDaFaFa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    I mean, I would wear this. He think he looks stylish.


  • #5458
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I mean, I would wear this. He think he looks stylish.
    Mmmm, yup. Funky green leggings!

    Damn! I've missed the chihuahua this time. That's all my next attempt needed! (plus a better background) I'm actually just playing dress-up now....no attempt to ridicule made. Clearly didn't have enough dolls as a child :p
    http://www.putingaydressup.com/putin/32277


  • #5459
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    JimiTime wrote: »
    If people want to have sex with whatever, thats their prerogative. Thats not the issue. The issue is demanding that we all agree that its perfectly fine, and in the context here, insist that they teach our children that its perfectly fine. You will notice that the man in questions sexual behaviour is not my issue, but rather his insistance on preaching to children that its perfectly fine. I am fully aware that I live in a world of various views and beliefs, some I agree with, others I don't. Being a tolerant guy, I accept it. However, there is a difference between accepting that a teachers sexual preference is his business, and a teacher insisting on teaching pupils that his sexual behaviour is perfectly fine.
    I know you have been asked this before, and I doubt you will answer it, but on what basis are you saying it is not perfectly fine?

    Also, your little 'sex with whatever' quip is quite mean and nasty. You wonder why people think you are a bigot... :(

    MrP


  • #5460
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JimiTime wrote: »
    No offence experienced here, though your 'technicality'? Come off it :)

    Hi there jimi. If you'd be good enough to get back to me on this.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89831366&postcount=5431


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  • #5461
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Nodin wrote: »
    Hi there jimi. If you'd be good enough to get back to me on this.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89831366&postcount=5431

    Don't you know that anything short of subjecting LGBT people to aversion therapy is "promoting homosexuality"?


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