Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

Obliq wrote: »

Oh boy. I have so many problems with your post, I'll have to just focus on your first sentence.

No. Just no. He was honest enough a person to tell the children he's gay. Promote his politik? What does that even MEAN in this context? The man told children he's gay, that's all. It's criminal to even think that's wrong IMO>

Firstly, there was no need to announce that he is sexually attracted to men to his students in assembly. You spin it as 'he was honest enough', but really, the amount of times people go on about how a persons sexual habits are no-one elses business, yet you applaud a person who decides to announce it and make it into a big deal. However, the bigger issue is that he is looking to promote his sexual behaviour as acceptable. Now I understand that this is perfectly fine with those who agree with what he is promoting, but it is not ok for many, and the teacher knew this. It really does come down to the teacher using his position to promote his views to the children in his school. How would you feel if the teacher in your educate together school decided to use their position to promote Christianity?

lazygal wrote: »

What would you say if your child told you he or she was gay?

He'd send them off to a gulag where they're subjected to aversion therapy, of course.

Obliq wrote: »

My kids aren't in an educate together school, they went to the local RCC which is a fine community school and all that's available in the area. I get on exceptionally well with the Christianity promoting teachers (they can't help having to) and my family's atheism is accepted and indeed EXPLAINED to the other children.

And you chose to send your children there, so I'm sure you see how the parallel is not applicable.

As for spin, that's pretty disingenuous coming from the same person who just said it's an issue to call being gay acceptable - Which, when you get past all the twisted language you use like "promoting" instead of "telling", and "sexually attracted to men" instead of "gay", is what you are saying.

Is there something wrong with saying 'sexually attracted to men'? If you could explain how that is using 'twisted language' I'd appreciate it. Also, if a teacher tells my child that men having sex with men is ok, then that is promoting that as acceptable behaviour.

JimiTime wrote: »

If people want to have sex with whatever, thats their prerogative. Thats not the issue. The issue is demanding that we all agree that its perfectly fine, and in the context here, insist that they teach our children that its perfectly fine. You will notice that the man in questions sexual behaviour is not my issue, but rather his insistance on preaching to children that its perfectly fine. I am fully aware that I live in a world of various views and beliefs, some I agree with, others I don't. Being a tolerant guy, I accept it. However, there is a difference between accepting that a teachers sexual preference is his business, and a teacher insisting on teaching pupils that his sexual behaviour is perfectly fine.

Perhaps you could to post here the information you have at your disposal that the sacked teacher was teaching the children that he is a sexually active homosexual male having sexual congress with other homosexual males and felt that it was ok to tell that to them. I certainly haven't seen that in print. Might it be that you are making assumptions as to the teacher's sexual activity status?

Edit: I'm wondering if your views are those espoused by the Pope, that being homosexual by itself is NOT what is wrong in it's eyes, it's being a sexually- active homosexual male or female having sexual congress with other homosexuals of the same sex, or do you think his view on the topic is wrong?

Obliq wrote: »

Oooh, and it's a good question. Yes, what WOULD I want to do to those who treat other people as lesser than themselves?

More spin I see

Well, I think tipping them off their moral high-horse through the vast weight of the public majority leaving them on the far-outer edge of opinion and policy making should be fine really. Which they're doing to themselves, all on their own-ee-o. So I'm giving a thumbs up to social isolation as punishment enough. Yay! Can't wait.....excited for the future

And people still insist that gay marriage will just mean gay people will get married.

Do teachers tell kids that it's ok for a man and woman to shag? Surely they would simply educate, as opposed to forcing their opinion into the child's mind.

aloyisious wrote: »

Perhaps you could to post here the information you have at your disposal that the sacked teacher was teaching the children that he is a sexually active homosexual male having sexual congress with other homosexual males and felt that it was ok to tell that to them. I certainly haven't seen that in print. Might it be that you are making assumptions as to the teacher's sexual activity status?

His sexual activity is irrelevant. If he has orgies nightly or is completely celibate it has no bearing. The issue is the promotion of homosexuality as perfectly fine and good. Like I said, that seems perfectly acceptable to those who agree with it, but there are many parents who do not want their childrens school being used as a platform to promote such an idea. Would you like to see primary schools being used to promote the idea that gay is not good?

oscarBravo wrote: »

As for all his followers being bigots, that's not true either. You might be amazed just how many Christians don't feel the need to be dicks towards people who don't share their sexual preferences.

Expletives and subjective observations aside, followers of Christ will follow Christ in reaching out to all with the good news of the kingdom, and just as he preached repentance when he reached out to the sinners and said 'Go and sin no more', so do his followers do.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Your constant message is that it's not OK to be gay.

Actually, you'll find my message has been that its not ok to try to abuse ones position as a school teacher to further your political goal of promoting the idea to primary school pupils that homosexuality is good. If a parent wishes to broach the subject of sexuality with their child and preach such a message, then fine.

Try firing a teacher for telling kids it's OK to be black or female, and come back to me.

It is OK with you if a teacher tells kids it's OK to be black or female, isn't it?

Do you believe it reasonable that a person can have no problem with the colour of a persons skin, but can have issue with, lets say, thievery? I would dare to say that its actually ridiculous to believe that the two can be compared. After all, one thing is simply the colour of a persons skin, and the other is an action which a person indulges in.

So yes, of course its ok to teach that its ok to be white or black or female or male, but the actions of these black/white men and women is a whole different ball game.