When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

anotherposter · 25-03-2014 10:11PM

yup i got vectoring on the nenagh exchange

called eircom and the guy bumped me upto 100mb/20mb woohoo

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 1 day: 7 hours: 6 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.542 Mbps 102.571 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 102.398 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 9.3 dB 13.6 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 5 ms
Transmit Power: -20.3 dBm 13.0 dBm
Receive Power: -26.7 dBm 4.8 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 2.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 6.4 dB 8.1 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 29.639 Mbps 140.996 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 1.2 7.7 10.8 N/A 5.3 11.6 18.7
Signal Attenuation(dB): 1.2 7.1 9.8 N/A 5.3 11.5 18.7
SNR Margin(dB): 9.2 9.4 9.3 N/A 13.3 13.4 13.3
Transmit Power(dBm):-31.1 -21.7 -27.5 N/A 9.4 8.0 7.1
============================================================================

FaganJr · 25-03-2014 10:28PM

Bog Standard User wrote: »

all f1000 modems have vectoring support enabled from 1.00(aaha.3)D0 onwards

current is 1.00(aaha.4)do which has vectoring enabled already.

more exchanges that now have vectoring enabled

Nenagh (NNH1)
Dun laoghaire (DLA1)

apparently eircom wholesale is the first ISP in europe to offer vectoring to its vdsl2+ customers

Currently have the following, I'm on 50/15. About 600m to cab, roughly.

Is my Cab enabled yet or is router just upgraded?

If so would I get 60/20 or 70/20?

Firmware Version: 1.00(AAHA.4)D0

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 5 days: 23 hours: 29 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 15.418 Mbps 50.268 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 15.358 Mbps 50.170 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 12.4 dB 10.7 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 3.1 dBm 11.2 dBm
Receive Power: -17.2 dBm -8.6 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 20.3 dB 19.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.135 Mbps 75.460 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 5.1 27.3 40.9 N/A 14.7 34.9 54.2
Signal Attenuation(dB): 5.1 26.6 39.9 N/A 11.9 34.6 54.2
SNR Margin(dB): 12.4 12.3 12.4 N/A 10.6 10.8 10.7
Transmit Power(dBm):-12.5 - 2.6 1.6 N/A 3.2 7.9 6.9
============================================================================

anotherposter · 25-03-2014 10:55PM

FaganJr wrote: »

Currently have the following, I'm on 50/15. About 600m to cab, roughly.

Is my Cab enabled yet or is router just upgraded?

If so would I get 60/20 or 70/20?

Firmware Version: 1.00(AAHA.4)D0

============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 5 days: 23 hours: 29 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 15.418 Mbps 50.268 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 15.358 Mbps 50.170 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 12.4 dB 10.7 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 3.1 dBm 11.2 dBm
Receive Power: -17.2 dBm -8.6 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 20.3 dB 19.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.135 Mbps 75.460 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 5.1 27.3 40.9 N/A 14.7 34.9 54.2
Signal Attenuation(dB): 5.1 26.6 39.9 N/A 11.9 34.6 54.2
SNR Margin(dB): 12.4 12.3 12.4 N/A 10.6 10.8 10.7
Transmit Power(dBm):-12.5 - 2.6 1.6 N/A 3.2 7.9 6.9
============================================================================

you need to call eircom to get it upgraded... it doesnt happen automatically

but judging by your snr margins your cab is not done yet.

when you see the snr for downstream go upto 25.0db or higher vectoring will be enabled on the cab so call eircom then

loyatemu · 25-03-2014 11:15PM

ED E wrote: »

Nope, it can do higher. At least 40Mb if my memory serves me right. Its purely the way they're configuring their kit.

I'm guessing their peering agreements might cost em more if there were to be more outbound traffic, don't see why else they'd do it.

I wouldn't have thought so - peering costs are generally on the 95th percentile, download far outweighs upload for consumer ISPs. Possibly they don't think there is a market for a higher-upload product?

GIMickey · 26-03-2014 12:52AM

jimmad wrote: »

Funnily enough, I believe that's the same cabinet Im connected to. very strange. I thought all lines on a cabinet had to be vector enabled at once. My router stats on the fritz box indicate that vectoring is turned off at the moment.

Im on the Thornberry cabinet getting 50/15, also with digiweb. Vectoring by the looks of things are switched off. i might ring digiweb tomara and c what they have to say

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 09:34AM

Looks like my cabinet may just have been vectored...

Still not 100% certain but it looks like something changed... I'm posting some information here to assist others in determining if vectoring has been turned on for them...
I gather from the posts, that the only way to determine if vectoring has been enabled, is, if there's a substantial increase in Attainable Net Data Rate (when measured against previous readings at the same time of day)...

Previous Readings: (Attainable Net Data Rate)
Peak time reading were pretty constant never really varying much form 97 Mbps... off peak it climbed to 110 Mbps (give or take 0.5 Mbps)...

New Reading: (Attainable Net Data Rate)
Although it's only 8:30am, it's been pretty constant at 134 Mbps since about 6:30am... may drop as we get further in to the day but looks promising...
It's now 9:17am and were at 132.9 Mbps... even allowing for some more traffic it should stay above 132 Mbps (hopefully)... that's gota be vectoring?
Now 14:22 and were at 127 Mbps....

@ED E ... If it stays above 132, what profile?

Steviemak · 26-03-2014 09:36AM

GIMickey wrote: »

Im on the Thornberry cabinet getting 50/15, also with digiweb. Vectoring by the looks of things are switched off. i might ring digiweb tomara and c what they have to say

Might be the modem.

bk · 26-03-2014 11:24AM

michaelotoole wrote: »

@ED E ... If it stays above 132, what profile?

100/20 the maximum profile Eircom are selling.

GIMickey · 26-03-2014 12:11PM

Not sure if vectoring is active with me yet. But over night my attainable upload went from 20147 to 26756 and is hovering around there.

Is that the start of it or am I being hopeful.

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 12:22PM

What did the download change by?

And a question for those in the know... if you upgrade your profiles, does it cost extra?

GIMickey · 26-03-2014 12:23PM

michaelotoole wrote: »

What did the download change by?

And a question for those in the know... if you upgrade your profiles, does it cost extra?

Ment to post that also. Download didn't change yet. Still the same as yesterday. 69500

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 12:56PM

From my excursions today, I would guess, if the download has not changed by any great extent, then no vectoring...
Of course that's assuming it wasn't already vectored but you would have noticed a change previously...

lmimmfn · 26-03-2014 12:59PM

it would be good if people who see vectoring enabled add the cabinet info so we can get an idea of which ones are enabled.

GLCC · 26-03-2014 01:00PM

Lads,

I have standalone efibre 70/20Mbps unlimited package. My attainable net data rate is up at over 120Mbps the last 2 or 3 days. Not sure if the cabinet I am connected to has been vector enabled. Spoke to 2 different eircom techs today. One said that 70Mbps was the maximum speed I could get and the other said as soon as vectoring is enabled on the cabinet I am connected to I will start seeing greater speeds. Any ideas ? Do you need to get eircom tech support to upgrade your line or should it happen automatically ?

allen175 · 26-03-2014 01:04PM

Tech support would need to change the speed profile.

GLCC · 26-03-2014 01:41PM

allen175 wrote: »

Tech support would need to change the speed profile.

Thanks,

Will this cost extra or will it just be a free upgrade do you know ?

allen175 · 26-03-2014 01:42PM

Completely free upgrade if you are on the unlimited package.

GLCC · 26-03-2014 01:44PM

Thanks allen175. Will give eircom another buzz later so.

airuser · 26-03-2014 01:44PM

It is good to see that Eircom are now on the top of the pile.

Looks like going from"dial up" to "DSL"

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 01:58PM

@allen175, thanks for that... couldn't wait so I just asked and your right no charge

@GLCC
I have change profile from 70 to 90 Mbps and my attainable was 133 Mbps... so you should be able to get to 80 or 90....
There are a few good reasons why they may appear reluctant to give a profile closer to the max... the most important being stability.... move to one and test it, ten try the next....

I'm on 90 now but still speed test doesn't get passed 67Mbps

GLCC · 26-03-2014 02:37PM

Thanks michaelotoole.

Did you ring eircom to get profile changed or is it something you did yourself ?

exterminator447 · 26-03-2014 02:58PM

Just upgraded from 70MB to 90mb now on my line looks like my line is enabled for vectoring in dunlaoghaire I'm not complaining about that am happy out now

GLCC · 26-03-2014 03:11PM

exterminator447 wrote: »

Just upgraded from 70MB to 90mb now on my line looks like my line is enabled for vectoring in dunlaoghaire I'm not complaining about that am happy out now

Did you ring eircom to get profile changed ?

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 03:15PM

@GLCC, In my case I rang Eircom... The first phone call... the chap said he could not do it.... Second phone call twenty minutes later with just a query about any extra costs for switching profile (none if on 70 and unlimited) and that guy moved me to 90 Mbps in a minute....

They do apparently test something to see what your line max is.... he suggested I go to 90 Mbps for now and make sure everything was working as I can always go to 100 Mbps later (if everything works out)....

Still haven't notices any improvements in download speed tests... same old 67Mbps as before but modem reports line rate of 92.311 Mbps...

@exterminator447, did you get an increase in speed test results?

SpaceTime · 26-03-2014 03:21PM

airuser wrote: »

It is good to see that Eircom are now on the top of the pile.

Looks like going from"dial up" to "DSL"

Well they're upper middle of the pile

UPC is still twice as fast and potentially even more than that. It's also not impacted by distance to fibre node as it's last step is high quality shielded coaxial cable, not twisted pairs if thin wire originally intended to carry audio.

ED E · 26-03-2014 03:21PM

michaelotoole wrote: »

@GLCC, In my case I rang Eircom... The first phone call... the chap said he could not do it.... Second phone call twenty minutes later with just a query about any extra costs and that guy did it in one minute....

They do apparently test something to see what your line max is.... he suggested I go to 90 Mbps for now and make sure everything was working as I can always go to 100 Mbps later (if everything works out)....

Still haven't notices any improvements in download speed tests... same old 67Mbps as before but modem reports line rate of 92.311 Mbps...

@exterminator447, did you get an increase in speed test results?

Are you on wireless when testing?

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 03:25PM

No.... direct RJ45...

Nonoperational · 26-03-2014 03:25PM

As above, normal wifi will struggle to get above 70Mbits

crawler · 26-03-2014 03:34PM

Thoughts on vectoring...

ALL cabinets will be completed by next week.

I am guessing most people will then be bulk upgraded in the coming weeks by their ISPs

People could still call and have it done manually although the prequal result will dictate the max profile.

The current max profile is 100/20 regardless of what your modulator/deomodulator tells you

And in fact, I'd always that that with a pinch of salt anyway...

I'd say by end April anyone who can benefit (and not everyone will!) from vectoring will be on a new profile.

michaelotoole · 26-03-2014 03:35PM

Some info on vectoring....

Vectoring is essentially a transmission method that virtually cancels crosstalk noise on copper wire; the corresponding International Telecommunications Union standard was ratified in 2010.

It's essentially complex noise signal inversion techniques...
- See more at: http://www.commsday.com/commsday-australasia/magazine-will-vectoring-launch-a-new-golden-age-for-copper#sthash.SSvXDvBW.dpuf

When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

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