Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

h2005 · 17-03-2014 06:40PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Not a hope, it was an absolutely stone wall black card completely brought on himself. It would have been a shocking decision not to give him the line.

Not quite a stone wall decision. The rule states you must deviate from your line which he didnt. Still a really stupid challenge.

keane2097 · 17-03-2014 07:21PM

h2005 wrote: »

Not quite a stone wall decision. The rule states you must deviate from your line which he didnt. Still a really stupid challenge.

That's not correct.

http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/

Cynical Behaviour Fouls
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.

keane2097 · 17-03-2014 07:27PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Some common sense would have seen him issued with a yellow. Referees often give players a lesser punishment early on in games.

Depends who you ask I suppose. Common sense to me would have involved Feeney not making the tackle, but as he did common sense dictates that when you've brought in a rule to specifically stop something, and a player does it blatantly straight in front of the ref, you apply the rule.

yop · 17-03-2014 11:13PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Depends who you ask I suppose. Common sense to me would have involved Feeney not making the tackle, but as he did common sense dictates that when you've brought in a rule to specifically stop something, and a player does it blatantly straight in front of the ref, you apply the rule.

Absolutely, daftness of the highest regard from a player who should know better.
Its a rule change which has to be welcomed as it has blighted our game.

harpsman · 17-03-2014 11:23PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

It's not a great law if this is what it brings.

You re a bit late there cottoning on to that. Was obvious as a year ago that exactly this sort of thing would happen. Its not the only problem with the black card. Mayo will have to adapt their style of play as they do this alot

harpsman · 17-03-2014 11:30PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Some common sense would have seen him issued with a yellow. Referees often give players a lesser punishment early on in games.

Yes. Common sense would involve not applying the rules for say the first 5 minutes, 10 maybe. Likewise if Brennan or Connolly had punched a Castlebar player after 5 minutes a yellow and warning would suffice.( Im being sarcastic btw)

Defiler Of The Coffin · 17-03-2014 11:35PM

Really thought Mitchels were going to push on and win after Kirby got the goal, weak defense cost them the game. No exaggeration, Vincents could have had about 5 more goals were it not for the keeper and poor shot selection. County players didn't shine today but Mitchels should have had them on the ropes at the end of the first half, instead more soft goals have cost Mayo a final, I know it's a cliche at this stage but it's true. It was evident from very early on that the backs were completely pourous but nothing was done

seligehgit · 17-03-2014 11:36PM

Great effort by the Mitchels lads today,came up against an exceptionally good team in St. Vincent's today.Shame re Richie Feeney's deserved black card.Ran out of Croker so I missed Ger Brennan's speech!:(

Anyway looking forward to a return trip to Croker in a fortnight's time,I think we need to put a marker down for later in the year and win that game.The corresponding fixture last year was a cracker,Bernard Brogan singlehandlely won it for the Dubs,absolutely roasted Ger Cafferkey.We should'nt be depending on a win against Derry the following week.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 17-03-2014 11:37PM

STB wrote: »

Without a doubt. Goals Goals Goals, they know no other way. Good game....

Wrong thread mate

seligehgit · 17-03-2014 11:40PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Really thought Mitchels were going to push on and win after Kirby got the goal, weak defense cost them the game. No exaggeration, Vincents could have had about 5 more goals were it not for the keeper and poor shot selection. County players didn't shine today but Mitchels should have had them on the ropes at the end of the first half, instead more soft goals have cost Mayo a final, I know it's a cliche at this stage but it's true. It was evident from very early on that the backs were completely pourous but nothing was done

I was really surprised Eoghan Reilly was'nt switched off Connolly at an early stage.

ColeTrain · 18-03-2014 04:26PM

harpsman wrote: »

Yes. Common sense would involve not applying the rules for say the first 5 minutes, 10 maybe. Likewise if Brennan or Connolly had punched a Castlebar player after 5 minutes a yellow and warning would suffice.( Im being sarcastic btw)

A punch is a straight red and no referee would ever give someone the benefit of the doubt if caught - so no need for your hyperbole. Where are you from yourself btw, you always came across bitter enough in regards to Mayo Gaa, hope we gave you a good beating recently

Fair enough you can't complain about the ref applying the rules but he was hardly consistent with his black card either - as Pat Holmes rightly pointed out today.

I'm not a fan of the black card but there's no use complaining as it's here to stay but any rule that puts off a player in the first few minutes of a final for a harmless challenge is hardly perfect. People who say feeney should have known better has a point but he's played the game for 20+ years without this rule, with the adrenaline in the opening minutes of a final rushing through you, it's not inconceivable that a player would lose his head a little. It's a sickener for him.

Btw the best team won yesterday. Castlebar can have no complaints with the scoreline.

harpsman · 18-03-2014 08:41PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

A punch is a straight red and no referee would ever give someone the benefit of the doubt if caught - so no need for your hyperbole. Where are you from yourself btw, you always came across bitter enough in regards to Mayo Gaa, hope we gave you a good beating recently

Fair enough you can't complain about the ref applying the rules but he was hardly consistent with his black card either - as Pat Holmes rightly pointed out today.

I'm not a fan of the black card but there's no use complaining as it's here to stay but any rule that puts off a player in the first few minutes of a final for a harmless challenge is hardly perfect. People who say feeney should have known better has a point but he's played the game for 20+ years without this rule, with the adrenaline in the opening minutes of a final rushing through you, it's not inconceivable that a player would lose his head a little. It's a sickener for him.

Btw the best team won yesterday. Castlebar can have no complaints with the scoreline.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Somebodys not had their nap today;). Where am i from?? Heres some clues: I ve seen 2 of my countymen lifting the Sam Maguire on Septembers 3rd Sunday, both times we beat Mayo en route. We ve a 100% win ratio in finals and one of our captains father was a Mayo man?! (So yes Im really bitter about Mayo) Now, back to business: I agree with you that the black card is stupid, its just really going to annoy me every time I hear the penny dropping with the slow learners over the course of the season.

ColeTrain · 18-03-2014 09:31PM

harpsman wrote: »

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Somebodys not had their nap today;). Where am i from?? Heres some clues: I ve seen 2 of my countymen lifting the Sam Maguire on Septembers 3rd Sunday, both times we beat Mayo en route. We ve a 100% win ratio in finals and one of our captains father was a Mayo man?! (So yes Im really bitter about Mayo) Now, back to business: I agree with you that the black card is stupid, its just really going to annoy me every time I hear the penny dropping with the slow learners over the course of the season.

I've gotten my nap now harpsman, all is good!

davegrohl48 · 18-03-2014 09:34PM

There are far more positives to the black card than negatives. Refereeing inconsistencies already existed for red n yellow cards, over carrying, crowding around man on the ground etc.
About the only subtle change required is a stricter application of the overcarrying rules to prevent forwards running through legitimate tackling with 6/7 steps. The kick or solo has to be on the 4th step or free out.

Syferus · 18-03-2014 10:09PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

There are far more positives to the black card than negatives. Refereeing inconsistencies already existed for red n yellow cards, over carrying, crowding around man on the ground etc.
About the only subtle change required is a stricter application of the overcarrying rules to prevent forwards running through legitimate tackling with 6/7 steps. The kick or solo has to be on the 4th step or free out.

Enforcing over-carrying properly is almost impossible.

harpsman · 18-03-2014 10:26PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

I've gotten my nap now harpsman, all is good!

I know you Mayomen like your naps-my dads one!

Really think they should have gone with the sin bin. A black card like Feeneys is too punitive.
On the other hand a black card with 5 minutes left is very little punishment.
I could go on and on about other issues I have but I ll get myself annoyed:mad:

Im presuming that if youve made 5 subs and you get a black card you cant bring on a sub

newholland · 18-03-2014 10:28PM

harpsman wrote: »

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Somebodys not had their nap today;). Where am i from?? Heres some clues: I ve seen 2 of my countymen lifting the Sam Maguire on Septembers 3rd Sunday, both times we beat Mayo en route. We ve a 100% win ratio in finals and one of our captains father was a Mayo man?! (So yes Im really bitter about Mayo) Now, back to business: I agree with you that the black card is stupid, its just really going to annoy me every time I hear the penny dropping with the slow learners over the course of the season.

Why do Donegal people think they are such an elite footballing county. You should be banned for trolling

davegrohl48 · 18-03-2014 10:30PM

Syferus wrote: »

Enforcing over-carrying properly is almost impossible.

Agreed it is difficult, but it could be pinged more than it is. Refs allow the forward to break out from aggressive tackling commonly. Either give a free for improper tackling or reward the defender for forcing the over carry.
I wonder which player is going to use the new definition of the bounce solo to Lebron James it through a defence. Can multiple bounce it basketball style as long as do not take the ball into posession.

yop · 18-03-2014 10:33PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Agreed it is difficult, but it could be pinged more than it is. Refs allow the forward to break out from aggressive tackling commonly. Either give a free for improper tackling or reward the defender for forcing the over carry.
I wonder which player is going to use the new definition of the bounce solo to Lebron James it through a defence. Can multiple bounce it basketball style as long as do not take the ball into posession.

Have they changed that now too!!!! Feckin hell you'd want a booklet with you at the games to keep track of all the changes!

davegrohl48 · 18-03-2014 10:33PM

harpsman wrote: »

I know you Mayomen like your naps-my dads one!

Really think they should have gone with the sin bin. A black card like Feeneys is too punitive.
On the other hand a black card with 5 minutes left is very little punishment.
I could go on and on about other issues I have but I ll get myself annoyed:mad:

Im presuming that if youve made 5 subs and you get a black card you cant bring on a sub

There are now 6 subs. Really everyone should checkout the video on youtube Gaelic Football Rule changes 2014 It will explain some of the misconceptions about more than just black card

megadodge · 18-03-2014 10:36PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Agreed it is difficult, but it could be pinged more than it is. Refs allow the forward to break out from aggressive tackling commonly. Either give a free for improper tackling or reward the defender for forcing the over carry.
I wonder which player is going to use the new definition of the bounce solo to Lebron James it through a defence. Can multiple bounce it basketball style as long as do not take the ball into posession.

That's nothing new, you could always do that.

davegrohl48 · 18-03-2014 10:39PM

yop wrote: »

Have they changed that now too!!!! Feckin hell you'd want a booklet with you at the games to keep track of all the changes!

Yes Id heard about it but didnt quite believe it till Marty Morrissey confirmed it directly to Pat Mcaneny. He confirmed you can go the length of the pitch if you want. Tremendous rule change if you are maybe a student team with access to basketballers. Needs dry weather and a decent pitch surface.
The defintion of the bounce is new so Im not sure if true could always do this. It was allowed when trying to bring a ball under control but Iv never seen a ref in the past have to deal with an attempt at basketball dribbling. Seeing as the bounce wasn't defined it was assumed couldnt do it.

yop · 18-03-2014 10:46PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Yes Id heard about it but didnt quite believe it till Marty Morrissey confirmed it directly to Pat Mcaneny. He confirmed you can go the length of the pitch if you want. Tremendous rule change if you are maybe a student team with access to basketballers. Needs dry weather and a decent pitch surface.
The defintion of the bounce is new so Im not sure if true could always do this. It was allowed when trying to bring a ball under control but Iv never seen a ref in the past have to deal with an attempt at basketball dribbling. Seeing as the bounce wasn't defined it was assumed couldnt do it.

Think I am going to have to go to youtube!

Wonder will I send Marty Duffy the link

padd b1975 · 19-03-2014 01:28AM

megadodge wrote: »

That's nothing new, you could always do that.

Indeed, as Liam McHale demonstrated in the build up to James Nallen's goal in the '96 semi final.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 19-03-2014 08:21AM

I've seen people do a basketball dribble before and the ref has given a free against them, even though I was fairly sure they hadn't broken any rules.

keane2097 · 19-03-2014 12:10PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

There are now 6 subs. Really everyone should checkout the video on youtube Gaelic Football Rule changes 2014 It will explain some of the misconceptions about more than just black card

Is there anything less useful than wasting your time reading posts from people lamenting how stupid the rules are who later admit to not actually knowing what they are?

harpsman · 19-03-2014 12:49PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

There are now 6 subs. Really everyone should checkout the video on youtube Gaelic Football Rule changes 2014 It will explain some of the misconceptions about more than just black card

Ok ive checked out the first black card video on youtube-what a farce.
Im going to continue on black card thread-ive highjucked the Mayo one enough(for the moment)!!

padd b1975 · 20-03-2014 12:53PM

Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.

I suppose he feels after 3 years a fresh voice is needed to make that final step.

He owes them nothing.

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/2003141002-castlebar-manager-pat-holmes-steps-down/

Always_Running · 20-03-2014 05:49PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Pat Holmes has stepped down as Castlebar manager.

I suppose he feels after 3 years a fresh voice is needed to make that final step.

He owes them nothing.

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/2003141002-castlebar-manager-pat-holmes-steps-down/

Giant steps have been made. Mayo,Connacht titles won for the first time in 20 years Pat has done a fine job with them and its going to take a top manager to replace him.

Yes he could have done better on Connolly but losing Feeney didn't help and Mitchels were chasing the game which usually leaves yourself open at the back. No shame losing to superior team in All Ireland final like you said he owes them nothing.

davegrohl48 · 25-03-2014 04:35PM

Interesting will be half forward line for Saturday night. We've alot of half forward options now. Kevin McGloughlin has one spot nailed down. Likely Doherty will be selected centre forward again. Last time we beat Dublin Keith Higgins had possibly his finest performance at 4. Defensively and in setting up counter attacks he was 10/10 that day. Looked back at that game and think we really should be looking around the 50 minute mark to freshen up midfield. It was an issue we didn't properly address since. We've four Div 1 midfielders. Might make sense to bring on Barry Moran as a 3rd midfielder to complement Gibbons with SOS coming on for AOS. Freshen up the middle 8 with Drake subbin for Boyle who does so much work n is often shattered in final ten mins. Still leaves you with sub possibilities for wing forward. For sure we need to take the initiative about being more mobile around the middle n winning the kickout battle on our own n oppositions kickouts.

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