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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭coolisin


    68deville wrote: »
    Can't believe how bad Dublin were,ok it's early days but it was a fairly
    Full strength team with a few new faces,daly not a happy man,need to
    Pick it up for next game

    This!!
    I was hoping it was a young team, when I knew the score before watching the coverage.
    The game reminded me of the Dub v Kilkenny match 2012 when they played for 5-10 mins then just gave up!
    I know its an early game and all but they still should have being better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Gary Maguire, Peter Kelly, Liam Rushe, Stephen Hiney, Ryan O'Dwyer, John McCaffrey, Conal Keaney, David Treacy, Danny Sutcliffe; Dotsy O'Callaghan, Paul Ryan - those same 11 played yesterday played against Cork last year. It was a near full strength Dublin, there are no excuses here. We got completely routed by Galway, no two ways about it.

    The pitch was pretty shíte but both teams were playing on it. Dublin played for about 5 minutes and fell to bits after it. Galway were sharp, quick and fit. Dublin looked unfit, especially at the back - I'm going to name Peter Kelly who was bending over struggling after 20 minutes as a prime example. Galway were quick to the ball and stuck to the man. Dublin gave them ample room for turns, runs and to shoot with ease from 30-40m out. It really did remind me strongly of 2012 when after a great 2011 we fell apart in the league the following year. I don't want a repeat of it this year, not after winning the Leinster and putting on a display I was proud to witness in Croker against Cork last August.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Comordha


    They just looked very tired & groggy, they must have been over-trained or something, I wouldn't read into it too much for that reason. Players like Rushe, Kelly, Keaney & Sutcliffe don't just fade away. We've seen these guys play some incredible hurling a few years in a row now and they are consistent. They'll be back come the business end.

    On a brighter note, I thought Cian O'Callaghan was very impressive on his debut.

    Clare will be a very difficult challenge this weekend but no game is easy in Division 1A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Cian had a good enough game I thought - he'll get better with more experience.

    Dublin weren't impressive in the Walsh cup either o be fair and with Clare as the next match it doesn't get any easier - it's time to pull up the socks and start playing to their true potential consistently. The absolute worst aspects of the team are the lack of consistency and the bipolar performances. When they pull it off they are mesmerising and capable of bringing tears to eyes, but when they don't it's nearly always a comprehensive loss (even if not judging by the scoreboard). I can draw comparisons to the football where those lads can grind out a win on an off day, this just doesn't seem to be possible for the hurlers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,800 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    The didnt look sharp at all yesterday, compared to Glaway they looked out of shape and short of breath after about 20 mins. Still early days mind you and could be the kick up the backside they need. I fear a repeat of 2012 though :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    I hope none of ye said anything ye are going to regret about the whole Seanie Johnston thing!

    http://www.livegaelic.com/news/antrims-liam-watson-dublin-transfer-link/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Ah, it might just be nothing - especially since Watson really wants to stick with his club. The approach seems to be based around the fact he's not getting inter-county games with Antrim and suggests Daly believes there's a spot for him in the Dublin team, I don't think there's much wrong with that personally as long as there's no fudging of the rules. I always believed the thing with Seanie was the question over whether he ever really upped roots and moved to Kildare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Ah, it might just be nothing - especially since Watson really wants to stick with his club. The approach seems to be based around the fact he's not getting inter-county games with Antrim and suggests Daly believes there's a spot for him in the Dublin team, I don't think there's much wrong with that personally as long as there's no fudging of the rules. I always believed the thing with Seanie was the question over whether he ever really upped roots and moved to Kildare.

    It's a big question then isn't it as to whether we feel ok with putting players through the whole rigmarole that Johnston had to go through.

    It's a difficult one to answer because eventually it could lead to players from clubs in one county playing Intercounty with their more successful neighbours but it's hard to deny a guy the chance to play at the highest level for a team that wants him when he's denied the chance for personal reasons in his own county.

    I find myself very conflicted on the subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Despite how you feel about it personally we all know there's an incredible element of tribalism to the GAA. There'll always be Dublin/Meath and Kerry/Anybody rivalries, it just adds to the atmosphere for those games. I wouldn't be happy for example to see the Brogans jump ship because Dublin weren't winning Sam, they're panel players. At the same time you've got people who are no longer in the panel like Craig Dias and Eamonn Fennell and I couldn't begrudge them a shot at Sam with another county. As you say - where do you draw the line to stop players swapping counties every season, where would loyalty come into it then? It is, after all, an amateur game.

    It's a topic for the wider GAA community and much like you I'm full of conflicting views. So conflicted in fact that, if I espoused on them some more I'd very quickly highlight my hypocrisy :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Despite how you feel about it personally we all know there's an incredible element of tribalism to the GAA. There'll always be Dublin/Meath and Kerry/Anybody rivalries, it just adds to the atmosphere for those games. I wouldn't be happy for example to see the Brogans jump ship because Dublin weren't winning Sam, they're panel players. At the same time you've got people who are no longer in the panel like Craig Dias and Eamonn Fennell and I couldn't begrudge them a shot at Sam with another county. As you say - where do you draw the line to stop players swapping counties every season, where would loyalty come into it then? It is, after all, an amateur game.

    It's a topic for the wider GAA community and much like you I'm full of conflicting views. So conflicted in fact that, if I espoused on them some more I'd very quickly highlight my hypocrisy :o

    Yeah I've nothing to disagree with in there. I think at the time I defended Johnston somewhat, saying if he was good enough for county football in his own county but couldn't get a game for non-playing reasons he shouldn't be subjected to the sort of measures he was as an amateur.

    Only a small leap then though for say footballers not good enough for Kerry to declare themselves for Limerick etc which would see the whole thing ruined.

    We're lucky in Ireland w.r.t rugby that provincial allegiances have largely remained in the 20 or so years that players moving around has become viable, but you can see it already starting to erode as more money enters and clubs can start to hoover up talent a la soccer.

    When the lionshare of the work is centralised around a small few places in Ireland you could see it going a similar way even when guys are moving for legitimate reasons of work, never mind when transfers are happening purely for the sake of the sports.

    I don't like the idea of dictating to amateur players in these circumstances but it's starting to seem to me that it might be the lesser of the two evils.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭blue note


    If Dublin manage to sign Liam Watson we'd actually see all 4 provinces represented in their team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    It's fairly late in the evening but the DCB have released a statement denying they approached Watson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Thanks for that, I couldn't see him being approached anyway, but if a player wants to go I think he should be allowed to go, from a club anyway, the fennel thing was a joke IMHO.

    I still think some type of regional grouped teams should be formed, the standard should be as high as possible, same in football some neighbouring County teams joining up might stop this, you'd still get someone who fell out from that too but it might help.

    Also maybe wwithin the league the weakest league teams could play to be good enough to get back out and be a dedicated County again, so let's say Wexford had a bad run they could be in with a leinster team, then they get strong again and move up the league and out of the leinster team for the championship a player from any County in a province could make the provincial team, but not their County and provincial team, this might help this lad. All that said it might just be a Kilkenny A & B team in leinster and indeed the same for Antrim and ulster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    Have a Parnell Park ticket for the terrace but want to bring me younger brother today and he'd need to sit in the stand really. Anyone know would they let me into the seats with it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Great win today!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭anuprising


    hi going to be abroad for the match next Saturday , does anyone know how to watch it online or got a link ?
    thanks in advance


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    Brilliant performance from the lads today, they got off to a great start and then held Clare at arms length for the full match. Liam Rushe and Conal Keaney in particular were excellent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭68deville


    Dalys ould mate kept him in a much needed job for a bit longer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Yesterday was a good day. Seeing a good crowd in the Neller It was a welcome change from the O'Byrne Cup and Galway attendances :D And now to the actual performance - what a response from the shambles of last week. Liam Rushe was a talisman at the back, the support he gave the midfield and forwards from the puck outs was phenomenal and he was dogged in defence. Conal Keaney was in flying form and looked dangerous any time he had the sliothar. Alan McCrabbe was a welcome addition who provided some much needed scores from frees and that sublime sideline point was a thing of beauty earning some well deserved applause from both sides in the stands. Peter Kelly had a good match and that was a welcome change from huffing and puffing after 20 minutes like in Galway, glad to see him getting the form back. We're still not up to Championship standards obviously but after a false start we're finally going in the right direction.

    Overall I thought Alan Kelly had an abysmal match. He was often off the pace, a good 30 yards away from play, and calling frees on both sides that simply weren't or missing things that were. Some Clare fans I spoke to felt particularly aggrieved about Shane O'Donnell's handling throughout the match by the Dublin backline. I was frustrated at his lack of bottle to stamp out that niggly, thorny shíte that grew and grew in the last 20 minutes - take out the card, dish out the warnings and stop the handbags in their tracks.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Yesterday was a good day. Seeing a good crowd in the Neller It was a welcome change from the O'Byrne Cup and Galway attendances :D And now to the actual performance - what a response from the shambles of last week. Liam Rushe was a talisman at the back, the support he gave the midfield and forwards from the puck outs was phenomenal and he was dogged in defence. Conal Keaney was in flying form and looked dangerous any time he had the sliothar. Alan McCrabbe was a welcome addition who provided some much needed scores from frees and that sublime sideline point was a thing of beauty earning some well deserved applause from both sides in the stands. Peter Kelly had a good match and that was a welcome change from huffing and puffing after 20 minutes like in Galway, glad to see him getting the form back. We're still not up to Championship standards obviously but after a false start we're finally going in the right direction.

    Overall I thought Alan Kelly had an abysmal match. He was often off the pace, a good 30 yards away from play, and calling frees on both sides that simply weren't or missing things that were. Some Clare fans I spoke to felt particularly aggrieved about Shane O'Donnell's handling throughout the match by the Dublin backline. I was frustrated at his lack of bottle to stamp out that niggly, thorny shíte that grew and grew in the last 20 minutes - take out the card, dish out the warnings and stop the handbags in their tracks.


    If Cork had handled O Donnell like Kelly and the boys did yesterday they would have another All Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,580 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    So with McCrabbe back in the fold who do we see as our free taker, him or Ryan?, assuming both are starters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭LostBoy101


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    So with McCrabbe back in the fold who do we see as our free taker, him or Ryan?, assuming both are starters.
    I'd rather McCrabbe as he has a longer range and is normally consistent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    Starting side for Saturday:

    1. Stephen Cluxton
    2. Philly MacMahon
    3. Sean George
    4. Michael Fitzsimmons
    5. Eric Lowdnes
    6. James McCarthy
    7. Johnny Cooper
    8. Michael Darragh MaCauley
    9. Cian O'Sullivan
    10. Paul Flynn
    11. Ciaran Kilkenny
    12. Bryan Cullen
    13. Kevin McManoman
    14. Ciaran Reddin
    15. Cormac Costello


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    Some interesting choices there

    With Sean George back in I see Nelson is out - hopefully George keeps his cool this time around so we can get a good look at him in the rest of the league. Jonny Cooper retains the half-back position from Westmeath, is this a sign of things to come? Eric Lowndes seems to have taken the 5 from James McCarthy who moves into COS' position at 6 because he's back to midfield with MDMA, a return to 2013 and not a moment too soon as I don't think Shane Carthy was impressive in midfield at all.

    Some more shuffling up front - two forwards have been dropped from the Westmeath match (O'Gara and Mannion) giving Ciaran Reddin a chance to move up, replaced by Cullen at 12 who has fallen somewhat out of favour in recent times. Cormac Costello is a strange inclusion IMO. I would have thought since Paul Hudson was the one of the only ones who brought the shooting boots last time out he would get a chance to shine in the starting line up. He was one of only 5 scorers on the day and was the top of those with 0-4(1f).

    Disappointed to not see Alan Brogan there if I'm honest, his first game against Kerry showed him as having lots of rust and he could use some more game time to shake it off; nothing like the Rebels for a good test of yourself.

    Looking forward to this immensely


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Neeson


    Poor loss


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    Neeson wrote: »
    Poor loss

    We weren't great but give credit to Cork. They posed serious questions in all sectors of the field and we didn't have the answers.

    Wouldn't place great importance in this but its the first time in a while i felt a team was able to match us physically (pace and athleticism).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    corny wrote: »
    We weren't great but give credit to Cork. They posed serious questions in all sectors of the field and we didn't have the answers.

    Wouldn't place great importance in this but its the first time in a while i felt a team was able to match us physically (pace and athleticism).

    Impressed with cork, reminded me of us tbh. Good test, loss not necessarily a bad thing


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    corny wrote: »
    We weren't great but give credit to Cork. They posed serious questions in all sectors of the field and we didn't have the answers.

    Wouldn't place great importance in this but its the first time in a while i felt a team was able to match us physically (pace and athleticism).

    It was a good game and a good test, cork forwards were fast and solid and we had to reorganise to cope. It worked though and they were kept very quiet in the second half. Cooper back to full back and O'Sullivan to halfback made a big difference. Worrying a little that we struggled so badly and Mick Fitz's struggles to be wrong side of this man all day wasn't great.

    Clinical free taking from them though, and some help from ref. I don't mind frees being given from 50 yards away for pulling forwards back, but you expect a bit of consistency. He gave them 3 or 4 of them and us none, even though the same fouls were happening both ends.

    Having said that, we had plenty of chances in second half to finish them off , but couldn't take our chances, once they settled back to a blanket type defence we struggled with shot selection and/or silly passes.

    It's at that stage you start to really miss Brogan, Connolly and Mannion.

    Otherwise the midfield was well on top in second half, with James McCarthy filling in well.

    All in all it was great experience and an eye opener for the new defenders and forwards that you don't always get your own way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    I thought we should have won it in the last 10 minutes, But Cork defended well and deserved it, I don't know why Costello was taken off he was the only forward we had who was capable of passing the ball, at one stage in the first half he'd scored two points set up two, won a free laid on a great goal chance he was involved in a move with Reddin he made a great move on the inside lost his man, Reddin didn't even look for the pass he just blasted it wide the young lad just held out his hands in frustration, I hope that the forwards can stop some of the selfish attitude otherwise lads like Costello will stop passing too. O'Gara played well when he came on I thought he was more powerful than all the defenders around him and it was a nice sub to make as it shook then up a bit at the back.

    Then apart from O'Gara and McCaffrey I thought the guys we brought on were not great Carthy had little impact, Hudson did a bit but service was poor. I don't think our midfield won a clean ball in the first half, Walsh and Gould were better IMHO. In the second half Cullen came into it more a bit more like the role he played in the championship last year.

    I thought Dublins discipline was poor, I think at one time Goulding had three if not four identical frees all expertly taken but some were silly frees to give away, MDMAs yellow was also silly, it's obvious that he was frustrated having been fouled and it going unpunished but the sliding effort on the ball was always going to end up in a yellow. Byrne was the same a possible unfair decision against a Dublin but the reaction by him frustrated or not was poor, generally I though Cork deserved every free they got.
    This is something to work on, this game really reminded me of the attitude shown by Dublin in 2012 league games

    With respect to Cork I though a number of their new players were a little light but their free taking and fielding was very good. You'd need to be on your best behaviour against them later in the year, they looked stronger than Kerry and they were up to some delay tactics in the last ten minutes so they were aware of Dublin finishing strongly in games and we're lying down a bit in the last 10, they were smart they wanted to stop the momentum and they did a bit, the messing with the blood sub being an example.

    All that said this was the first time in a long time that I've seen Dublin start the best team available to them. The result was a finish that from a quality point of view was just not good enough to rescue a draw or a win.
    Yesterday was a game for Bastic to come on in the second half, Rocks accuracy, we were missing a whole potential half forward line and the Brogans, I hope that we can clean up our act and that competition for places will be enough motivation for players to do it, although MDMC must feel his position is under zero threat and that's not good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    A well put together post, I would echo most of your points except Cork deserving every free they got. While the discipline was poor from Dublin there were some soft frees given and some things from Cork going unpunished. I thought there should have at least been one black card for a blatant pull down but it only got a yellow :confused:

    This wasn't a game I could blame the referee on winning for Cork, it was a game Dublin lost. They weren't cohesive enough, there was an incredible overlap missing late into the second half that resulted in a point but could have resulted in a goal to break Cork's back. They were out on their feet around 60 minutes having put in quite the shift against us, we should have drove on in the final minutes and put them to the sword.

    It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Impressed with cork, reminded me of us tbh. Good test, loss not necessarily a bad thing

    Great game ,and Dublin are still the team to beat.
    Lost the game,in truth lost nothing,as ye will get better,and that is good for ye,as get hunger back and avoids complacency.

    Ye learned jorge isnt a full back,against kerry and us he was poor.
    Mccarthy will benfit from game time.

    Ye recovered from tyrone last year,he will still make the semifinals of the league.We needed the win more than ye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    A well put together post, I would echo most of your points except Cork deserving every free they got. While the discipline was poor from Dublin there were some soft frees given and some things from Cork going unpunished. I thought there should have at least been one black card for a blatant pull down but it only got a yellow :confused:

    This wasn't a game I could blame the referee on winning for Cork, it was a game Dublin lost. They weren't cohesive enough, there was an incredibly overlap missing late into the second half that resulted in a point but could have resulted in a goal to break Cork's back. They were out of their feet around 60 minutes having put in quite the shift against us, we should have drove on in the final minutes and put them to the sword.

    It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.

    Dint think anyone is blaming the referee, we had more then enough chance to win and can blame only ourselves. That said we should have had a free in the lead up their goal.


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    A well put together post, I would echo most of your points except Cork deserving every free they got. While the discipline was poor from Dublin there were some soft frees given and some things from Cork going unpunished. I thought there should have at least been one black card for a blatant pull down but it only got a yellow :confused:

    This wasn't a game I could blame the referee on winning for Cork, it was a game Dublin lost. They weren't cohesive enough, there was an incredibly overlap missing late into the second half that resulted in a point but could have resulted in a goal to break Cork's back. They were out of their feet around 60 minutes having put in quite the shift against us, we should have drove on in the final minutes and put them to the sword.

    It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.

    I thought James McCarthy did ok there in second half and he plays there for the club. May have made himself an option.

    Re the black card, for such a fussy ref he let himself down badly in my opinion on that aspect. mcmaneman was hauled back by jersey through on goal and 7 for Cork given neither a black or a yellow. Later on same player rugby tackles out wide left and after a long discussion ref gives him a yellow not a black?

    Poor work. Ref must have wasted 5 or 6 minutes on his own just talking to players and discussing things with linesmen and umpires, there are about 10 subs in second half, cork waste time going down injured, hoping back up when there is a goal chance then going back down injured. and then we only get 2 added minutes?

    None of it is why we lost, but it's the same poor quality reffing as we saw throughout last year across most high level games. It's not good enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    copacetic wrote: »
    I thought James McCarthy did ok there in second half and he plays there for the club. May have made himself an option.

    Re the black card, for such a fussy ref he let himself down badly in my opinion on that aspect. mcmaneman was hauled back by jersey through on goal and 7 for Cork given neither a black or a yellow. Later on same player rugby tackles out wide left and after a long discussion ref gives him a yellow not a black?

    Poor work. Ref must have wasted 5 or 6 minutes on his own just talking to players and discussing things with linesmen and umpires, there are about 10 subs in second half, cork waste time going down injured, hoping back up when there is a goal chance then going back down injured. and then we only get 2 added minutes?

    None of it is why we lost, but it's the same poor quality reffing as we saw throughout last year across most high level games. It's not good enough.

    Just on that... the Cork player didn't even receive a warning for tugging on the jersey yet about 10 minutes later the exact same foul was committed at the other end and the Dublin player was booked! Ref was making it up as he went along; don't get me started about the linesmen.

    Not the reason we lost though. We were badly beaten in midfield in the first half. To remedy that in the second half we pulled men back into the middle to win some breaking ball. We did just that but it meant reduced options up front and slower build up play as a result. Not a recipe for success when you're playing a Cork side who funnelled back well and did their homework in stopping everything through the middle. Forced us to shoot from out wide or on the 40 and we couldn't kick the scores.


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    corny wrote: »
    Just on that... the Cork player didn't even receive a warning for tugging on the jersey yet about 10 minutes later the exact same foul was committed at the other end and the Dublin player was booked! Ref was making it up as he went along; don't get me started about the linesmen.

    Not the reason we lost though. We were badly beaten in midfield in the first half. To remedy that in the second half we pulled men back into the middle to win some breaking ball. We did just that but it meant reduced options up front and slower build up play as a result. Not a recipe for success when you're playing a Cork side who funnelled back well and did their homework in stopping everything through the middle. Forced us to shoot from out wide or on the 40 and we couldn't kick the scores.

    Heh, the guy on a Cusack side was hilarious. clear Dublin ball, he signals for ref to throw it up! Apart from that one appred to be just guessing. Got two wrong for dublin and one wrong for Cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Well imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. and to that end you'd have to applaud the Cork performance on Saturday full of vigour and athleticism and a radical change to what we'd seen last year with their over reliance on the hoofball into Sheehan. Cork were back to their clinical best with their general point scoring and particularly the free taking which was our ultimate demise in both the 2010 AI SF and League Final.

    We've a habit here of reflecting on the dominance of the opposition midfield through different stages of a game - but ultimately the Dublin midfield in whatever guise eventually get a stranglehold on a game in the latter stages. Their direct opponents are nearly always physically bigger and giving away a fair height difference but ultimately the greater agility/fitness tends to turn the tide. Goold and Walsh dominated the 1st half, but the tank ran dry for both of them - the blueprint wont change this year either - stay with them for 50 mins and impose their greater endurance late on.

    Dublin weren't as dynamic as we've seen them previously .. I think Jack Mc was on the pitch over half an hour before we saw one of his lung bursters, he seemed quite content dinking 20-30 yard passes into the HF line. On the other hand Philly was offering great support running but then inexplicably putting the brakes on and taking the pace out of the attack turning back in on himself.

    As others have said the kicking and shot selection was poor, strangely 2 of the biggest culprits Carthy & Reddin also scored fantastic points. I felt that the success of this years outfit was dependent on 1 or 2 new lads forcing their way into the shake up, so far I've seen little other than the emergence of Costello - and to be honest we're really quite ok in the front 6, I'd hoped that George may have forced his way into a corner back role with KOB gone for the year - Mick Fitz likewise was a bit at sea at times.

    Finally was great to see the comeback of Colm O'Neill, young fella has been through the mill and I had only spoken with him last year 3 weeks before his injury when he was full of enthusiasm for the coming year.

    I hope he picks up a losers medal this year ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    copacetic wrote: »
    .

    Re the black card, for such a fussy ref he let himself down badly in my opinion on that aspect. mcmaneman was hauled back by jersey through on goal and 7 for Cork given neither a black or a yellow. Later on same player rugby tackles out wide left and after a long discussion ref gives him a yellow not a black?

    Poor work. Ref must have wasted 5 or 6 minutes on his own just talking to players and discussing things with linesmen and umpires, there are about 10 subs in second half, cork waste time going down injured, hoping back up when there is a goal chance then going back down injured. and then we only get 2 added minutes?

    None of it is why we lost, but it's the same poor quality reffing as we saw throughout last year across most high level games. It's not good enough.


    Pour quality reffing with a slight anti-Dub bias has been a problem in the GAA for decades. Dublin teams have to learn to live with it and rise above it. There is little point complaining about it.

    Occasionally, the poor quality reffing falls in our favour but usually it is 9 times out of 10 for the opposition. Can't see this changing.
    It's a constant talking point, but your comment about MDMA's position being under no threat is correct and worrying. Dublin need better midfielders, Carthy is not it anyways and neither is Mahoney.


    I agree that midfield options are a worry.

    The defence has O'Carroll and Brennan to come back, the two Brogans, Mannion, Flynn, Connolly and Rock were all absent as forward options as well as O'Gara and Hudson only starting on the bench giving plenty of room for the form forwards whoever they are come the summer. However, what happens midifeld if O'Sullivan is needed in the back-line and MDM picks up an injury?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭Dubliner28


    Have 1 Cusack Stand ticket for Kildare game if anyone wants it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,065 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Dubliner28 wrote: »
    Have 1 Cusack Stand ticket for Kildare game if anyone wants it

    I'll take it off you if you wont be using it. Is it one of those e-mails you print off i.e from tickets.ie? Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭Dubliner28


    billyhead wrote: »
    I'll take it off you if you wont be using it. Is it one of those e-mails you print off i.e from tickets.ie? Cheers

    Cheers pal. Yep its from tickets.ie
    PM your details


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    From Res Dubs

    Team is,
    Cluxton
    Geoge
    Philly
    Fitz Jack Mc
    James Mc
    Cooper
    MDMA
    Cian
    Flynn
    Kilkenny
    Cullen
    Kev Mc
    Reddin
    Costello


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,065 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Dubliner28 wrote: »
    Cheers pal. Yep its from tickets.ie
    PM your details

    Cheers PM send


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    Godge wrote: »
    Pour quality reffing with a slight anti-Dub bias has been a problem in the GAA for decades. Dublin teams have to learn to live with it and rise above it. There is little point complaining about it.

    Occasionally, the poor quality reffing falls in our favour but usually it is 9 times out of 10 for the opposition. Can't see this changing.





    I agree that midfield options are a worry.

    The defence has O'Carroll and Brennan to come back, the two Brogans, Mannion, Flynn, Connolly and Rock were all absent as forward options as well as O'Gara and Hudson only starting on the bench giving plenty of room for the form forwards whoever they are come the summer. However, what happens midifeld if O'Sullivan is needed in the back-line and MDM picks up an injury?

    Oh ffs...what a ridiculous statement. For that to be true, all the refs over the years would have to come together and form some consensus that Dublin needed to be screwed...the reality of course is that no such thing happened, that Dublin got away with their fair share of stuff, got bad breaks same as other teams did..and not to forget occasionally benefited from the fact there were often linesmen from DUBLIN clubs for Dublin games in croke park..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Oh ffs...what a ridiculous statement. For that to be true, all the refs over the years would have to come together and form some consensus that Dublin needed to be screwed...the reality of course is that no such thing happened, that Dublin got away with their fair share of stuff, got bad breaks same as other teams did..and not to forget occasionally benefited from the fact there were often linesmen from DUBLIN clubs for Dublin games in croke park..

    EVERYONE thinks their team gets screwed by referees.

    We all remember what goes against us and not for us, its human nature


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭ciarriaithuaidh


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    EVERYONE thinks their team gets screwed by referees.

    We all remember what goes against us and not for us, its human nature

    True. Really wrecks my head though people moaning about refs when 99% of the time refs are not the winning or losing of a game either way. Some of my own brethern moaning after the 2011 final comes to mind, but lets not go there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    True. Really wrecks my head though people moaning about refs when 99% of the time refs are not the winning or losing of a game either way. Some of my own brethern moaning after the 2011 final comes to mind, but lets not go there.

    I agree (though do my fair share of moaning at the game itself but afterwards the referee generally doesnt decide it (some exceptions aside of course)). For example the final you mentioned, there were almost certainly wrong decisions made throughout by both the players and the referee. We all like to think we are "competing against 16 out there"

    Last week, our shot selection, and slower than normal build up (also coming up a very intense Cork team) cost us alot more than the referee. But its nice to have a moan all the same :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Past30Now


    DoctaDee wrote: »

    Finally was great to see the comeback of Colm O'Neill, young fella has been through the mill and I had only spoken with him last year 3 weeks before his injury when he was full of enthusiasm for the coming year.

    I hope he picks up a losers medal this year ;)

    I enjoyed the match last week, particularly the first fifteen minutes. I thought the pace of that period was exceptional, although I wouldn't have been overly thrilled by some of the defending on both sides during that period.

    Costello had a great first half. Reddin was wasteful on occasion but scored a couple of fine points. Our full back line needs a lot of work, and looked much more effective when Johnny Cooper went back.

    Giving McCarthy a run in midfield was long overdue. He played quite well and is definitely an option. Is Bastic injured or still in hibernation. Paul Flynn has to be given a run in midfield at some stage.

    I haven't seen Kevin Mac work as hard throughout a match as he did last weekend. He wasn't brilliant by any stretch of the imagination but he worked his socks off.

    Finally, I have to echo DoctaDee's comment about Colm O'Neill. Fine player. Delighted for him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 233 ✭✭Dublinfan


    Once Again Some Players not getting a chance.... What Happens if Cluxton decides to call it a day Sean Currie needs a few games under his Belt and Would have loved to see Watson get a game


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    good win tonight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Yep, decent enough win considering who we were missing tonight....Berno, Connolly, Flynn, Mannion, Kilkenny & a rust free Alan Brogan.

    Kev Mc put in a great shift and it was great to see Paddy Andrew return and not miss a beat. Still very leaky at the back though. A more clinical team could have really hurt us with those goal chances that we gave up. There was yet more bad shot selection and stupid wides from us. But am happy enough over all.


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