LPG for me?

goldenwonder · 10-02-2014 12:09PM

stimpson wrote: »

If it's the Stag system the gauge is a bit off. I get around 40-50 miles per led but I've driven 80 miles in the red one without running out (57.2 litres). Tank is a 75l so should hold 60. I prefer to have a large reserve so I don't have to use petrol so it works for me.

Yeah it's a stag, four green leds and a red
It went down 1/4 after 25 miles and went back up for a while
They said it's not the same as a petrol gauge... Maybe measures pressure? So a cold tank will show less?
Looks like a 70l, I filled up after 144 miles with 30 litres
So for €23 it's alright

blancha · 10-02-2014 09:53PM

goldenwonder wrote: »

got mine done a few days ago, working pretty well,
only the gauge seems to be off or the tank is small, but its costing close to what i was hoping for,
and barely any difference in driving,
maybe slightly sluggish to start and just a bit noisier
very tidy job,
filler beside the petrol filler, the tank doesnt raise the boot too much, and the engine has shiny new parts

What's your car?.

goldenwonder · 10-02-2014 09:59PM

blancha wrote: »

What's your car?.

98 Camry

mullingar · 10-02-2014 11:41PM

The fuel level gauge can be vague.

On my system the first light goes out after 100ish miles, the next go out after around 40-50 miles each, including the reserve, so I'm happy knowing what's roughly left in the tank for range.

daRobot · 11-02-2014 12:31AM

All LPG gauges are pretty much useless, from my own experience and what I've read from others.

Easiest thing to do is just reset your trip each fill, so you know when you're getting towards empty.

murphthesmurf · 11-02-2014 01:03AM

There was a tv programme on recently that I watched where they discussed LPG conversions. The fear of them exploding was mostly unfounded. Can't remember what the tv programme was, but they actually detonated an LPG car and a petrol car simulating a fuel leak. The petrol car was much worse. The main danger with the LPG was the gas leaking into the interior of the car and gassing you.
Don't know why the popularity of LPG died off so much in the UK, I think it was mostly down to the media hype. Also the fact that cars have become much more economical, meaning it's financially much less viable.
I'd have thought the biggest cost here to a big engined car is the extortionate road tax.
If it meant I could have a big engine car again I'd go for it.

Dan82 · 11-02-2014 01:31AM

Looking at changing the car and wondering what people think of LPG, plus and negatives, all view on this very welcome,
Does it effect drive
Is it making savings
Would you do it to your next car
I'm looking at 2.0 Honda CRV

SamAK · 11-02-2014 01:37AM

I once did a long journey in a borrowed Mitsubishi L300 LPG/petrol van, tried it with both fuels....gas has less poke and is less responsive than the petrol but apart from that it was okey dokey! No major difference.

That's my sole experience of LPG

goldenwonder · 11-02-2014 12:10PM

Dan82 wrote: »

Looking at changing the car and wondering what people think of LPG, plus and negatives, all view on this very welcome,
Does it effect drive
Is it making savings
Would you do it to your next car
I'm looking at 2.0 Honda CRV

I've only had it a few days but like it already
The setup is tidy, It costs 25c a mile with petrol, 16c with gas.
as for performance, it's a bit slower take off but other than that no difference
Not that I'd be over 3k rpm anyway

stimpson · 11-02-2014 12:15PM

Dan82 wrote: »

Looking at changing the car and wondering what people think of LPG, plus and negatives, all view on this very welcome,
Does it effect drive
Is it making savings
Would you do it to your next car
I'm looking at 2.0 Honda CRV

Kris in LPGain is driving a CRV - he should be able to look after you!

I'm averaging 16c per mile too according to Road Trip Lite. I've never run a full tank of Petrol through so I don't know what the petrol cost is, but goldenwonders numbers seem to be what I was expecting (40% saving)

mullingar · 11-02-2014 08:39PM

Regarding anyone's fear of loss of power.

On any modern LPG system you should not feel any power loss if it's set up correctly.

I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and get my LPG'd 98 GS300 dyno'd on both fuels over the next week or two!

jca · 11-02-2014 10:08PM

mullingar wrote: »

Regarding anyone's fear of loss of power.

On any modern LPG system you should not feel any power loss if it's set up correctly.

I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and get my LPG'd 98 GS300 dyno'd on both fuels over the next week or two!

That would be great. The results should be interesting.

blancha · 11-02-2014 11:10PM

stimpson wrote: »

If it's the Stag system the gauge is a bit off. I get around 40-50 miles per led but I've driven 80 miles in the red one without running out (57.2 litres). Tank is a 75l so should hold 60. I prefer to have a large reserve so I don't have to use petrol so it works for me.

ECU of the STAG system has option of calibration the gauge. Guys probably didn't have a time or enough power to do this. Simple ask them to do this. It can be done during filling the tank - from empty to full using computer.

blancha · 11-02-2014 11:28PM

Dan82 wrote: »

Looking at changing the car and wondering what people think of LPG, plus and negatives, all view on this very welcome,
Does it effect drive
Is it making savings
Would you do it to your next car
I'm looking at 2.0 Honda CRV

Honda CR-V 4x4 - nice jeep but very thirsty. If you have a healthy engine in it, the difference in consumption shouldn't be more than 10% on LPG. Savings min. 40%. Nothing better for jeep like this - if you drive more than 50 miles a week of course

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 12-02-2014 08:46AM

murphthesmurf wrote: »

There was a tv programme on recently that I watched where they discussed LPG conversions. The fear of them exploding was mostly unfounded. Can't remember what the tv programme was, but they actually detonated an LPG car and a petrol car simulating a fuel leak. The petrol car was much worse. The main danger with the LPG was the gas leaking into the interior of the car and gassing you.
Don't know why the popularity of LPG died off so much in the UK, I think it was mostly down to the media hype. Also the fact that cars have become much more economical, meaning it's financially much less viable.
I'd have thought the biggest cost here to a big engined car is the extortionate road tax.
If it meant I could have a big engine car again I'd go for it.

5th gear
Good episode - so good infact it is on one of the LPG websites!

Beaver1 · 16-02-2014 07:01PM

MichaelR wrote: »

Yes that IS true apparently. And Cork is way more convenient. But LPGain is famous on this site with a few happy customers apparently.

I also made the possible mistake of sending the UK forum link to the Cork guy, but I hope I can apologize and offer a wee bit extra for being a terrible pest, which I am but can't help it with this very important stuff. But I'll do this if I am SURE I am going for Cork.

I'll sit on this question for at least another day, perhaps two. And still take in any more information I can find...

did you get your car converted in the end

Beaver1 · 04-03-2014 03:13PM

getting my car converted in autogas cork in 3 weeks time, 1200e and it only needs to be serviced every 50'000km

toyotaavensis · 04-03-2014 04:18PM

what kind of car have you and who is doing the conversion?

Beaver1 · 04-03-2014 04:22PM

ford focus 1.6 petrol Autogas in cork, this what im getting, any comments good or bad, or advice. Dutch Prins with 3 years warranty 300'000 km warranty on keihin gas injectors. Ecu made by bosch Service every 50'000km Price 1200€

daRobot · 04-03-2014 04:33PM

Beaver1 wrote: »

getting my car converted in autogas cork in 3 weeks time, 1200e and it only needs to be serviced every 50'000km

Wrong, it needs to be serviced with new filters every 10,000km, which are only 30 euro.

50,000km?? Did they tell you that?

toyotaavensis · 04-03-2014 04:44PM

They are right the prins system needs to be done every 50K.
Stag needs to go sooner. I did a lot of homework on LPG before realising that it would not make sense for me.
Good luck - post back with an update when you have a bit of driving done with it.

Beaver1 · 04-03-2014 08:50PM

daRobot wrote: »

Wrong, it needs to be serviced with new filters every 10,000km, which are only 30 euro.

50,000km?? Did they tell you that?

yeap they said every 50k kms
stag is every 14k and that system cost 800e

CiniO · 04-03-2014 08:57PM

unkel wrote: »

Bought an '04 BMW 520i auto a few months ago and I intend to keep this car for at least another 2 years from now on

An LPG station / fitter (part of a chain of them) opened up recently near me and offer their highest spec LPG conversion for 6 cylinder cars for €1299. Linky

I only do about 6k miles per year. With petrol at €1.52 and LPG at €0.78 and consumption at 25MPG and 22MPG, I'd save about €700 per year in fuel

Would you go for it?

Somehow I missed this thread earlier.
I'm not going to go through it all, so all I'll do is answer your question.

According to numbers you provided, I'd say you'd be mad to convert to LPG.

toyotaavensis · 04-03-2014 08:59PM

50K is correct Beaver for a prins system
If in doubt you can check their website.

daRobot · 05-03-2014 12:52AM

Beaver1 wrote: »

yeap they said every 50k kms
stag is every 14k and that system cost 800e

Apologies, I stand corrected. Running a Stag system myself and very happy with it.

How much does the service on the Prins cost, out of interest?

Beaver1 · 05-03-2014 02:23AM

daRobot wrote: »

Apologies, I stand corrected. Running a Stag system myself and very happy with it.

How much does the service on the Prins cost, out of interest?

I never asked.

blancha · 06-03-2014 07:35PM

Beaver1 wrote: »

getting my car converted in autogas cork in 3 weeks time, 1200e and it only needs to be serviced every 50'000km

€1200 for the PRINS???. I think even in Russia you would have to pay more...
Maybe this is silver line?. Normal price for VSI or VSI2 in Europe is min.€1800

P.S.

Service every 50'000km if you use clean LPG only. Prins use better quality filters that's why 50'000 and they also have very good quality LPGas in Netherlands.
STAG recommends service every 10'000km because quality of autogas in East Europe isn't so good - in Ireland much better, but people say Calor no good.
Clean gas is very important for LPG injectors, specially if system use Keihin - they are very expensive but also best.

stimpson · 06-03-2014 07:45PM

blancha wrote: »

€1200 for the PRINS???. I think even in Russia you would have to pay more...
Maybe this is silver line?. Normal price for VSI or VSI2 in Europe is min.€1800

I was quoted 1400 for a 5 cylinder Prins system.

blancha · 06-03-2014 08:04PM

stimpson wrote: »

I was quoted 1400 for a 5 cylinder Prins system.

Same Cork garage?. Silver line, VSI or VSI2?

stimpson · 06-03-2014 08:23PM

blancha wrote: »

Same Cork garage?. Silver line, VSI or VSI2?

LPGain. I think it was VSI but I'm not 100% sure.

LPG for me?

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