Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

Jester252 · 25-02-2014 05:24PM

melissak wrote: »

You can call her out, of course you can. I never said that you couldn't I had an issue with people being personally insulting. I respect science. One of my sisters is doing a phd in science at the moment and she works very hard. I have never discussed flouride with her though, i will next time I see her!!

Why is it okay for her to lie? Why should she not expect blow back for her lies?

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:25PM

Muise... wrote: »

There you go again...

It is not stupid if you don't have the same information; it is stupid is you don't go and inform yourself from reliable sources and feed this information back into the discussion. If you insist on being spoonfed, you should at least eat.

I didn't ask you to spoonfeed me anythingI don't choose to eat with mean spirited people muise
Could you clarify the underlined sentence? I haven't fed anything back reliable or not. I have merely responded to comments directed at me as honestly as I could. If your ability to copy and paste from google is what makes you not stupid then so be it

25-02-2014 05:25PM

melissak wrote: »

Rain is thought to be better for plants. the well is in a limestone area and is a bit too alkaline for some plants. So I use rain from a water butt. Why is it so important for you to catch me out??
I do drink water from the mains if I am staying at a friends house. I don't like the taste of it though and that whole cryptosperidiam thing a few years back freaked me out(probably wrong spelling but I'm sure someone will point it out as evidence of my lack of education and intelligence)

So how did you come to the conclusion that it is safe to occasionally drink fluoridated water from the mains rather than on a daily basis? You obviously recognize that the amount of a substance you consume determines the level of toxicity otherwise you wouldn't occasionally drink it at a friends house? No evidence exists that shows the consumption of fluoridated water at a level less than 1ppm to be a health risk.

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:27PM

Jester252 wrote: »

Why is it okay for her to lie? Why should she not expect blow back for her lies?

She should, if you believe her to have lied confront her. Next time she has a protest go and tell her that she is a liar. I respect anyone standing up for their truth.

Jester252 · 25-02-2014 05:30PM

melissak wrote: »

She should, if you believe her to have lied confront her. Next time she has a protest go and tell her that she is a liar. I respect anyone standing up for their truth.

Jesus Christ you are some WUM

This isn't a question about their truth or believe
This is FACT

She lied about her qualification. She isn't a scientist and no amount of fairy dust will make her one.

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:31PM

jh79 wrote: »

So how did you come to the conclusion that it is safe to occasionally drink fluoridated water from the mains rather than on a daily basis? You obviously recognize that the amount of a substance you consume determines the level of toxicity otherwise you wouldn't occasionally drink it at a friends house? No evidence exists that shows the consumption of fluoridated water at a level less than 1ppm to be a health risk.

I do many things occasionally that might be bad for me but we all have to live. My concern is the build up. Again why so eager to catch me out??

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:33PM

Jester252 wrote: »

Jesus Christ you are some WUM

This isn't a question about their truth or believe
This is FACT

She lied about her qualification. She isn't a scientist and no amount of fairy dust will make her one.

I already said numerous times that if she deliberately said something she knew to be untrue that was wrong and discredits her campaign.

Jester252 · 25-02-2014 05:35PM

melissak wrote: »

I already said numerous times that if she deliberately said something she knew to be untrue that was wrong and discredits her campaign.

She did read the op FFS

25-02-2014 05:35PM

melissak wrote: »

I do many things occasionally that might be bad for me but we all have to live. My concern is the build up. Again why so eager to catch me out??

not eager to catch you out I just have a good memory I 've no idea what your motivation was for saying you have a well for your kids earlier in the thread.

Muise... · 25-02-2014 05:36PM

melissak wrote: »

I didn't ask you to spoonfeed me anythingI don't choose to eat with mean spirited people muise
Could you clarify the underlined sentence? I haven't fed anything back reliable or not. I have merely responded to comments directed at me as honestly as I could. If your ability to copy and paste from google is what makes you not stupid then so be it

So far you have needed to be spoonfed:

theory
peer review
impartiality
chemistry
the composition of water
analogy
metaphor
the entire scienfcukingtific process
free speech

I think you should talk to your scientist sister.

25-02-2014 05:50PM

To get back on topic,

I haven't kept up to date with this topic,

What is the girl against fluoride claiming these days?

Muise... · 25-02-2014 05:54PM

jh79 wrote: »

To get back on topic,

I haven't kept up to date with this topic,

What is the girl against fluoride claiming these days?

According to her always-amusing facebook page, she's been getting outrageously ignorant articles in the Indo, and helping the children of West Cork get loads of cavities in their teeth (goes so well with the measles).

https://www.facebook.com/TheGirlAgainstFluoride

25-02-2014 05:58PM

Muise... wrote: »

According to her always-amusing facebook page, she's been getting outrageously ignorant articles in the Indo, and helping the children of West Cork get loads of cavities in their teeth (goes so well with the measles).

https://www.facebook.com/TheGirlAgainstFluoride

Is it her or her associates claiming Castor Oil cures cancer?

melissak · 25-02-2014 06:06PM

jh79 wrote: »

not eager to catch you out I just have a good memory I 've no idea what your motivation was for saying you have a well for your kids earlier in the thread.

if the fact that the well that my drinking water comes from, was paid for by my sister and not me makes a difference, well done you have caught me out

Muise... · 25-02-2014 06:08PM

jh79 wrote: »

Is it her or her associates claiming Castor Oil cures cancer?

An associate/"teacher" of her mother, who was called out on it on a radio show recently (see OP). Her mother is a teacher at Mercy Mounthawk, where she and Aisling not only get away with Pied Piper miseducation like this, they even won a Social Innovation award for the group. :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnT2hpRfyS0

TGAF often shares pages on castor oil, anti-vaccination and other woo, but she pretends that this isn't endorsement.

robindch · 25-02-2014 06:18PM

melissak wrote: »

Not drinking flouridated is not a big effort for me as my sister has a well and the water is so much nicer than the tap water in our area which tastes awful

You might want to read up on the dangers of drinking from private wells:

http://water.epa.gov/drink/info/well/

As you're complaining about the taste, I'm assuming you're upset about chlorine which is put into public water supplies to help stop people catching dangerous water-born diseases like cholera, typhoid fever, and dysentery. You are likely not to have this protection if you drink from a private well. Private water supplies can also be contaminated with dangerous substances like heavy metals, radon, pesticides as well as sewage and other toxic runoff.

Not only are you are directly risking the the dental health of your children by denying them fluoridated water. But you are also risking the physical health of them by making them drink what could well be a dangerous water supply.

I don't really know what to say at this point other than that you should educate yourself about the risks that you are taking for yourself and for your children.

melissak · 25-02-2014 06:23PM

srsly78 wrote: »

No it's only fluoridated in urban areas. Most small water schemes don't have it.

Really. I didn't know this. I am in the middle of nowhere so we might be ok. The tap water doesn't taste good here though..

For Forks Sake · 25-02-2014 06:26PM

melissak wrote: »

Really. I didn't know this. I am in the middle of nowhere so we might be ok. The tap water doesn't taste good here though..

That'll be the slurry then....

melissak · 25-02-2014 06:29PM

robindch wrote: »

You might want to read up on the dangers of drinking from private wells:

http://water.epa.gov/drink/info/well/

As you're complaining about the taste, I'm assuming you're upset about chlorine which is put into public water supplies to help stop people catching dangerous water-born diseases like cholera, typhoid fever, and dysentery. You are likely not to have this protection if you drink from a private well. Private water supplies can also be contaminated with dangerous substances like heavy metals, radon, pesticides as well as sewage and other toxic runoff.

Not only are you are directly risking the the dental health of your children by denying them fluoridated water. But you are also risking the physical health of them by making them drink what could well be a dangerous water supply.

I don't really know what to say at this point other than that you should educate yourself about the risks that you are taking for yourself and for your children.

It is spring water from 100 feet down through limestone and my sister gets it checked. I think it will be ok., but thank you for your information, i will send it to be analyzed soon, i have to submit soil and water samples for my organic registration next week anyway. Maybe I'll buy water for a while until I do. Are group water schemes filtered for pesticides etc do you know

Muise... · 25-02-2014 06:34PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

That'll be the slurry then....

s'alright - it's organic!

robindch · 25-02-2014 06:36PM

melissak wrote: »

Maybe I'll buy water for a while until I do. Are group water schemes filtered for pesticides etc do you know

In general, the safest water you can get is the stuff that comes out of your tap -- it's tested regularly and it's treated according to best international practice. You won't get that guarantee if you're getting water from some other source, whether it's bottled water (they tend to be contaminated with bacteria), or whether it's private well-water (which tends to get tested rarely, if at all).

Your health, your risk.

robindch · 25-02-2014 06:39PM

Muise... wrote: »

s'alright - it's organic!

I remember getting infected with a water-borne parasite after I drank water from a mountain stream near Killarney about 15 years back. I ended up being ambulanced from Killarney to Tralee, then spending two days in in intensive care. Wasn't much fun.

But, as you say, at least it's a fully natural means of being very, very sick.

melissak · 25-02-2014 07:06PM

robindch wrote: »

In general, the safest water you can get is the stuff that comes out of your tap -- it's tested regularly and it's treated according to best international practice. You won't get that guarantee if you're getting water from some other source, whether it's bottled water (they tend to be contaminated with bacteria), or whether it's private well-water (which tends to get tested rarely, if at all).

Your health, your risk.

I know she does get it tested regularly, she works in a lab but I'm not sure when it was last done. How regularly to the water schemes test water? I remember when I lived in galway a lot of people got sick from bacteria and the water in parts of roscommon is undrinkable at the moment. I guess I cant win, I, ll have to boil it I suppose, I got one of those BRITA filter but didn't like the taste either..

melissak · 25-02-2014 07:19PM

robindch wrote: »

I remember getting infected with a water-borne parasite after I drank water from a mountain stream near Killarney about 15 years back. I ended up being ambulanced from Killarney to Tralee, then spending two days in in intensive care. Wasn't much fun.

But, as you say, at least it's a fully natural means of being very, very sick.

I.M sorry to hear that. Sounds nasty... I originally started drinking the well water when I lived in galway city because you couldn.t drink the tap water. Then I liked the taste. I was living in town then and drank the tap water until last year when I moved back out to the country. I came on this thread to find out other people's opinions as there is a lot of conflicting info out there.

melissak · 25-02-2014 07:22PM

robindch wrote: »

In general, the safest water you can get is the stuff that comes out of your tap -- it's tested regularly and it's treated according to best international practice. You won't get that guarantee if you're getting water from some other source, whether it's bottled water (they tend to be contaminated with bacteria), or whether it's private well-water (which tends to get tested rarely, if at all).

Your health, your risk.

I know she does get it tested regularly, she works in a lab but I'm not sure when it was last done. How regularly to the water schemes test water? I remember when I lived in galway a lot of people got sick from bacteria and the water in parts of roscommon is undrinkable at the moment. I guess I cant win, I, ll have to boil it I suppose, I got one of those BRITA filter but didn't like the taste either..

Capt'n Midnight · 25-02-2014 11:19PM

melissak wrote: »

Poison is poison at the end of the day.

BBC series, Pain Pus and Poison was on BBC4 recently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01f53b9

Dr Michael Mosley ends the series with a look at poisons, exploring the turning points when scientists went from finding antidotes to poisons to applying poisons as a cure - celebrating the eccentrics and mavericks whose breakthroughs were to pave the way for some of the most striking treatments of modern medicine. Of the medicines explored in this series, those that are derived from poisons are perhaps the most extraordinary. The story of turning poisons into medicines encompasses the planet's most deadly substances, in which we turned killers into cures

A lot of medicines are poisonous, it all depends on the dosage. Like they it's possible to have too much of a good thing.

robindch · 26-02-2014 12:35AM

melissak wrote: »

How regularly to the water schemes test water?

I believe it depends on the authority concerned. Give them a ring and find out. I'm sure they'll be happy to tell you. You can find top-level information here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/water_services/water_quality.html

And this file will give you a general overview of the quality of public water in Ireland for 2012:

http://www.epa.ie/pubs/reports/water/drinking/Drinking%20Water%202012_web.pdf

Summary - the supply generally improved, but heavy rains didn't do much to help.

The Environmental Protection Agency reviews water quality information four times a year and their phone number is 053-9160600.

http://www.epa.ie/about/contactus/

Hope this helps.

melissak · 27-02-2014 11:57AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

BBC series, Pain Pus and Poison was on BBC4 recently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01f53b9

A lot of medicines are poisonous, it all depends on the dosage. Like they it's possible to have too much of a good thing.

I don't dispute that, Only using the quote by me saying poison is poison is a little out of context, as it might look like i was talking about flouride,as i think the post you quoted from was agreeing with another poster when I was challenged that so called organic PESTICIDES were as questionable as non organic. Thank you for the link though. Very interesting.

melissak · 27-02-2014 01:54PM

Muise... wrote: »

s'alright - it's organic!

Alas slurry is far from organic!!

Corkfeen · 27-02-2014 01:59PM

melissak wrote: »

You can call her out, of course you can. I never said that you couldn't I had an issue with people being personally insulting. I respect science. One of my sisters is doing a phd in science at the moment and she works very hard. I have never discussed flouride with her though, i will next time I see her!!

Charlatan:a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill.

What exactly is wrong with calling her a charlatan? It's a perfectly accurate description of what fluoride girl does.

Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

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