Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

Canis Lupus · 27-02-2014 2:00pm

melissak wrote: »

Alas slurry is far from organic!!

You know what slurry is right?

Muise... · 27-02-2014 2:12pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

You know what slurry is right?

Alas...

banie01 · 27-02-2014 2:17pm

Muise... wrote: »

Alas...

Maybe the animals providing the effluent were watered with fluoridated water?
Thereby negating the magic ''organic'' properties of the digestive waste? :rolleyes:
Its all about being natural ya know and cherry picking which science you believe and sure if ya don't believe it, and someone isn't espousing a belief about it in their knickers then.....
It must be good and wholesome!
Or not....
Depending on the Charlatans knickerline and the current astrological signs effect on the grass!

Foxhound38 · 27-02-2014 2:22pm

She's pretending to be knowledgable about an area she patently knows nothing about. Beyond the broader substance of the debate itself (flouride and whether or not it's a good idea), she's a textbook example of a charlatan by almost any standard...

I don't know why anyone even vaguely serious in the anti-flouride brigade would be so quick to defend rather than distance themselves from her - she's making the broader campaign look like fairy-land lunatics by association.

banie01 · 27-02-2014 2:24pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

BBC series, Pain Pus and Poison was on BBC4 recently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01f53b9

A lot of medicines are poisonous, it all depends on the dosage. Like they it's possible to have too much of a good thing.

Thats actually a great show, His history of Surgery Blood & Guts and its evolution from and art of cut and guess to actual science is well worth a watch too.

Duggy747 · 27-02-2014 2:24pm

Stick slurry in a bag with green packaging and the words "Natural", "Goodness", "Wholesome", "Organic", "Eco", "Wellness", "Kind to nature", etc, all over it.............probably call it Mother Gaia's Simply Slurry

Then put on the side of it a random sentence like "Did you know, the Chinese have been using slurry for thousands of years?"

:pac:

Sarky · 27-02-2014 2:58pm

Slurry is about as organic as it gets. You probably don't eat it because you bought into Big Pharma propaganda about it being full of so-called "faecal pathogens". It does wonders for plants, but They don't want you to know that.

melissak · 27-02-2014 6:01pm

Corkfeen wrote: »

Charlatan:a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill.

What exactly is wrong with calling her a charlatan? It's a perfectly accurate description of what fluoride girl does.

This is not what I took issue with. If you believe she's a charlatan thats fine, i don't know that she's not to say that your opinion is wrong. It was the meaner stuff I was objecting to.

MonstaMash · 27-02-2014 6:06pm

Czarcasm wrote: »

Never let it be said AH has failed to deliver -

That's Ms. Fitzgibbon on the right, Jesus in the middle, and God only knows who that is on the left, possibly the Virgin Mary in that get up! :pac:

Jaysus, looking at that photo, my testicles just receded into my scrotum voluntarily like a champion sumo wrestler :eek:

melissak · 27-02-2014 6:20pm

Sarky wrote: »

Slurry is about as organic as it gets. You probably don't eat it because you bought into Big Pharma propaganda about it being full of so-called "faecal pathogens". It does wonders for plants, but They don't want you to know that.

Sorry. It is organic in origin being that it comes out of cows. It is not chemical free because of what goes into cows... Also it tends to burn plants.Rotted manure is less harsh and doesn't stink!!!

melissak · 27-02-2014 6:22pm

Duggy747 wrote: »

Stick slurry in a bag with green packaging and the words "Natural", "Goodness", "Wholesome", "Organic", "Eco", "Wellness", "Kind to nature", etc, all over it.............probably call it Mother Gaia's Simply Slurry

Then put on the side of it a random sentence like "Did you know, the Chinese have been using slurry for thousands of years?"

:pac:

Its all in the marketing! You should go on dragons den with it, make a fortune.....

Jonny7 · 27-02-2014 6:23pm

melissak wrote: »

Its all in the marketing! You should go on dragons den with it, make a fortune.....

Or put it in a health-food shop..

melissak · 27-02-2014 6:25pm

Jonny7 wrote: »

Or put it in a health-food shop..

I've seen stranger..... or at least as strange...

Robbo · 27-02-2014 6:25pm

MonstaMash wrote: »

Jaysus, looking at that photo, my testicles just receded into my scrotum voluntarily like a champion sumo wrestler :eek:

If I was looking to promote the benefits of a fluoride free lifestyle choice, I'd pick a model with better teeth.

melissak · 27-02-2014 6:30pm

Foxhound38 wrote: »

She's pretending to be knowledgable about an area she patently knows nothing about. Beyond the broader substance of the debate itself (flouride and whether or not it's a good idea), she's a textbook example of a charlatan by almost any standard...

I don't know why anyone even vaguely serious in the anti-flouride brigade would be so quick to defend rather than distance themselves from her - she's making the broader campaign look like fairy-land lunatics by association.

Thats a fair point, as I have said many times I don't know that she is not making false claims and if she says things that she is aware are false that discredits a campaign. Pointless and unconstructive meanness demeans everyone and discredits a campaign also

Miprocin · 27-02-2014 7:18pm

melissak wrote: »

Thats a fair point, as I have said many times I don't know that she is not making false claims and if she says things that she is aware are false that discredits a campaign. Pointless and unconstructive meanness demeans everyone and discredits a campaign also

Making false claims discredits her campaign whether she is aware of them or not.

Muise... · 27-02-2014 8:51pm

melissak wrote: »

Thats a fair point, as I have said many times I don't know that she is not making false claims and if she says things that she is aware are false that discredits a campaign. Pointless and unconstructive meanness demeans everyone and discredits a campaign also

It is constructive and point-ful to alert someone to their errors and point them to the best of our knowledge and reasoning to date.

You only think it's mean if you connect yourself to your arguments. You are not your arguments and no one is being mean to you by scuppering them.

I get very mean and stabby about bad science and woolly thinking. I have no feelings whatsoever about the people who make mistakes in judgement - It is absolutely not personal as I have made loads of silly errors myself; I just discard the mistakes rather than clinging on to them with my ego for dear life. But if people continue to peddle mistakes and misinformation after being utterly shown up - yeah I'd get a bit stabby with them too.

Corkfeen · 27-02-2014 9:20pm

melissak wrote: »

This is not what I took issue with. If you believe she's a charlatan thats fine, i don't know that she's not to say that your opinion is wrong. It was the meaner stuff I was objecting to.

Can you reference me to this 'meaner' stuff. She's being treated as a ridiculous liar which is what she is.

Muise... · 28-02-2014 1:38pm

Here's a sensible piece of reporting, for once. Reports from West Cork (which seems to have been completely annexed by dreamcatching Englanders) and an elegant riposte from David Robert Grimes.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/programmes/2014/0227/506910-today-with-sean-o-rourke-thursday-27-february-2014/?clipid=1427307

cursai · 28-02-2014 1:53pm

I never knew the pill caused gayness. Why would men be taking the pill though?

Jester252 · 28-02-2014 3:43pm

To be gay

Muise... · 28-02-2014 4:07pm

cursai wrote: »

I never knew the pill caused gayness. Why would men be taking the pill though?

According to Martha, it was their mothers taking the pill before they were born...

Capt'n Midnight · 28-02-2014 9:11pm

cursai wrote: »

I never knew the pill caused gayness. Why would men be taking the pill though?

in which case you probably haven't heard of the gay bomb

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7026150.stm

US Air Force Wright Laboratory for instigating research and development on a chemical weapon that would provoke widespread homosexual behaviour among enemy troop

melissak · 01-03-2014 11:37pm

Corkfeen wrote: »

Can you reference me to this 'meaner' stuff. She's being treated as a ridiculous liar which is what she is.

Personal insults rather than disputing what you believe to be untrue..

Jonny7 · 02-03-2014 12:02am

melissak wrote: »

Personal insults rather than disputing what you believe to be untrue..

She's spreading stuff that is untrue

What she says is.. horse****

What does it matter how we mince our words on the subject?

Jester252 · 02-03-2014 12:37am

melissak wrote: »

Personal insults rather than disputing what you believe to be untrue..

She lied, it's a FACT not a believe

melissak · 02-03-2014 4:42pm

Whatever. In my opinion insulting people from behind a computer screenname accomplishes nothing for your cause. Whatever that might be. But I have spent too much of my time on this point and defending my position to you all and this is silly. I'm sure we all have better things to do. Good luck to you all

ClovenHoof · 02-03-2014 4:55pm

Regular brushing of teeth in Ireland is very recent. Last 25 years or so. I think this is the main reason for the improved dental care in the years since.

I am not crazy about ingesting this stuff no matter how small the dosages. Topical is good enough.

It also sets an unhealthy acceptability of government medicating us through water supplies and if you are dumb enough to trust Irish politicians and then you need help.

The title of this thread started by a Mod is an absolute disgrace IMHO. Bad form.

ClovenHoof · 02-03-2014 4:59pm

There is another aspect here which I find interesting. The fluoride was added because it cost the politicians less than hiring dentists.

Does this not strike anyone else as completely ****ed up and typically Irish?

Reminds me of the massive Transport 21 public transport proposal (metros, trams, underground Dart lines) and then they replaced it with the National Walking Campaign.

I must say I admire the absolute faith in Irish politicians and authority structures on this thread.

Muise... · 02-03-2014 5:04pm

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Regular brushing of teeth in Ireland is very recent. Last 25 years or so. I think this is the main reason for the improved dental care in the years since.

I am not crazy about ingesting this stuff no matter how small the dosages. Topical is good enough.

It also sets an unhealthy acceptability of government medicating us through water supplies and if you are dumb enough to trust Irish politicians and then you need help.

The title of this thread started by a Mod is an absolute disgrace IMHO. Bad form.

Where are you getting your 25 year figure from?

Those of us not spazzing over fluoridation trust the scientific finding on the matter. That it was supported by politicians is neither here nor there.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

There is another aspect here which I find interesting. The fluoride was added because it cost the polticians less than hiring dentists.

Does this not strike anyone else as completely ****ed up and typically Irish?

Prevention being better than cure is a sound medical and economic principle. Are you seriously giving out about the govt. not wasting public funds?

Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

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