Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

Jester252 · 25-02-2014 03:42PM

melissak wrote: »

I didn't insult them. The only point I made in response to any evidence was that I wouldn't consider the governments paid representative on their fluoridation program to be impartial

She insulted me with her lies. Also do you still not get peer review?

melissak · 25-02-2014 03:43PM

jh79 wrote: »

"Organic" is a marketing term devised by supermarkets to make money . Absolutely no advantage in buying "organic", your paying more for the exact same product.

Organic chemistry on the other hand is the study of compounds containing hydrogen , carbon, oxygen and nitrogen.

So have you any opinions on the girl against fluoride claims regarding fluoride and down syndrome or obesity or that castor oil cures cancer? The point of this thread is to discuss her claims after all.

I agree with your point about some organic producers selling foods that are far from natural. I believe that organic standards are too lax and this, considering the price difference, fraud and robbery. I like to buy from producers I know and trust where possible but it is difficult.

Jester252 · 25-02-2014 03:44PM

melissak wrote: »

Just that I don't believe that people have the right to insult her, unless you want to go out and do it to her face. I have read a lot of claims and info from both sides of the fence and it is difficult to tell what is true and what is false. I like to keep an open mind.
I do know for a fact that many governments and pharmaceutical companies have pumped a lot of money to scientific research to "prove" that something was safe and that they have later been proved without doubt that they KNEW it was UNSAFE even as they were putting out research declaring the opposite to avoid having to put their hands up to what they had already done...

but she has the right to lie.

25-02-2014 03:48PM

melissak wrote: »

I agree with your point about some organic producers selling foods that are far from natural. I believe that organic standards are too lax and this, considering the price difference, fraud and robbery. I like to buy from producers I know and trust where possible but it is difficult.

Not what I,m saying.

There is no advantage in going organic at all, research shows that there is no difference between so called "organic" and pesticide sprayed produce. There are no health advantages in going "organic". On a recent Primetime program, Organic producers could not offer any evidence of an advantage in going "organic".

TheHappyChappy · 25-02-2014 03:50PM

jh79 wrote: »

Not what I,m saying.

There is no advantage in going organic at all, research shows that there is no difference between so called "organic" and pesticide sprayed produce. There are no health advantages in going "organic". On a recent Primetime program, Organic producers could not offer any evidence of an advantage in going "organic".

must have been another primetime

humberklog · 25-02-2014 04:00PM

The same woman gave a talk in Dublin last week. She so impressed a founder member of a political party (Direct Democracy Ireland) that he expressed an interest in having her run for election with the party. He also noted that it was DDI's policy to have fluoride removed from our mains water.

He doesn't really state why but in another post on the chairman of the party's FB and twitter acc. he says "...keeps people docile-known fact".

So people even get a chance to vote for her if she runs for Direct Democracy Ireland in upcoming elections.

I must say I've never come across the fact that fluoride has a dociling effect of the masses. It could make for a very interesting Vincent Brown show.

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:06PM

Jester252 wrote: »

but she has the right to lie.

Did I say she has the right to lie. I said that it seems that she believes these things to be the truth and if this is the case she is entitled to her opinion and to protest. I don't dispute your right to say that you think she's lying..

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:10PM

jh79 wrote: »

Not what I,m saying.

There is no advantage in going organic at all, research shows that there is no difference between so called "organic" and pesticide sprayed produce. There are no health advantages in going "organic". On a recent Primetime program, Organic producers could not offer any evidence of an advantage in going "organic".

So you don't believe that homegrown vegetables that have not been sprayed with pesticides might be better for you than chemically grown ones.
Surely you won't dispute the fact that no veg tastes nicer than one straight from the garden? I consider this an advantage.

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:14PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Because it can be a shady business (not all of it, there are genuinely healthier options, and homegrown is often best when it comes to veg/fruit)

For example, one study of organic products showed 47% of them didn't even contain the advertised compound

Another showed that there was no discernible health benefits between consuming stock supermarket food vs specifically labelled organic food

I would trust the products in my local health-food shop as much as I trust the products in my local supermarket - and with the same level of skepticism

Anyway that's for another debate

sorry jh79 it was this post I was agreeing with, I had the two mixed up. My mistake

25-02-2014 04:15PM

melissak wrote: »

So you don't believe that homegrown vegetables that have not been sprayed with pesticides might be better for you than chemically grown ones.
Surely you won't dispute the fact that no veg tastes nicer than one straight from the garden? I consider this an advantage.

Has nothing to do with pesticides though. Homegrown with pesticides would taste just the same.

ScumLord · 25-02-2014 04:17PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

For example, one study of organic products showed 47% of them didn't even contain the advertised compound

Organic doesn't mean there are particular "compounds" in the food. Organic usually refers to how the animals/plants are feed. Silage would be organic were as the fertilizer you buy in the bag has had everything but the core ingredients removed to make it more potent. The problem with doing that isn't so much that it pollutes your food but that the farmers are using too much of it and the excess is running off into the surrounding area disturbing the natural balance.

When you buy organic there's nothing extra in the food that makes it more healthy, your paying extra to protect the natural environment from our destructive farming techniques.

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:26PM

jh79 wrote: »

Has nothing to do with pesticides though. Homegrown with pesticides would taste just the same.

Do you genuinely believe that pesticides are good for you or are you just arguing because you don't like me?

Jonny7 · 25-02-2014 04:30PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Organic doesn't mean there are particular "compounds" in the food.

Yup I should have been more specific - I was referring more to the ingredients of health-food fare than supermarket organic/bio for that particular study

A GMO/Monsanto thread will be along soon enough for all that anyway

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:38PM

Jester252 wrote: »

She insulted me with her lies. Also do you still not get peer review?

I do now, thank you for your clarification. I apologised already for misunderstanding the term. If you would like me to apologise again I am sorry for my ignorance of the term peer review.

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:41PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

A GMO/Monsanto thread will be along soon enough for all that anyway

I look forward to that one. It's always nice to hear other peoples views on the subject. I do love a good debate!!

25-02-2014 04:44PM

melissak wrote: »

Do you genuinely believe that pesticides are good for you or are you just arguing because you don't like me?

the level of pesticides you are exposed to are completely safe.

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:45PM

JH How have I brought anyone off thread. I have simply responded to other peoples comments and questions directed to me. Is that not the nature of debate.. Surely it is not rude to reply to a comment.

Jester252 · 25-02-2014 04:47PM

melissak wrote: »

Did I say she has the right to lie. I said that it seems that she believes these things to be the truth and if this is the case she is entitled to her opinion and to protest. I don't dispute your right to say that you think she's lying..

There

Why is she allowed to lie and I can't call her out?

I, like most, worked my ass off to get my science degree, she did funk all. She is not entitled to lie about being a scientist and devalue my profession.

25-02-2014 04:48PM

melissak wrote: »

How have I brought anyone off thread. I have simply responded to other peoples comments and questions directed to me. Is that not the nature of debate.. Surely it is not rude to reply to a comment.

I deleted the post , might be seen as back seat modding by me, sorry.

What research or whose advice led you to believe that artificially increasing fluoride levels might be a health issue ? You have stated you are against fluoridation, how did this come about?

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:48PM

I was trying to quote a message about my rudeness and it disappeared, was it deleted??

Muise... · 25-02-2014 04:50PM

melissak wrote: »

I look forward to that one. It's always nice to hear other peoples views on the subject. I do love a good debate!!

This is not a good debate. It is simply contradiction based on your misunderstanding of the issue at hand.

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:55PM

jh79 wrote: »

I deleted the post , might be seen as back seat modding by me, sorry.

What research or whose advice led you to believe that artificially increasing fluoride levels might be a health issue ? You have stated you are against fluoridation, how did this come about?

When I had kids, i started to think about it. When I was a kid my sister got very sick with athsma almost immediately after ariel spraying of lindane across the road from our primary school and I decided to limit my children's exposure to artificial chemicals as much as I could. Not drinking flouridated is not a big effort for me as my sister has a well and the water is so much nicer than the tap water in our area which tastes awful

melissak · 25-02-2014 04:59PM

Jester252 wrote: »

There

Why is she allowed to lie and I can't call her out?

I, like most, worked my ass off to get my science degree, she did funk all. She is not entitled to lie about being a scientist and devalue my profession.

You can call her out, of course you can. I never said that you couldn't I had an issue with people being personally insulting. I respect science. One of my sisters is doing a phd in science at the moment and she works very hard. I have never discussed flouride with her though, i will next time I see her!!

25-02-2014 05:01PM

melissak wrote: »

When I had kids, i started to think about it. When I was a kid my sister got very sick with athsma almost immediately after ariel spraying of lindane across the road from our primary school and I decided to limit my children's exposure to artificial chemicals as much as I could. Not drinking flouridated is not a big effort for me as my sister has a well and the water is so much nicer than the tap water in our area which tastes awful

Is your tap water fluoridated?

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:06PM

Muise... wrote: »

This is not a good debate. It is simply contradiction based on your misunderstanding of the issue at hand.

I didn't say that I was having a good debate with you muise, I am merely expressing the hope that the one he was referring to would be good. I actually got onto this thread in the first place because I thought that there might be a good debate with views from either side of the fence and that I might learn something. I was baffled by the level of jeering and "intellectual" snobbery being thrown around. Saying people are stupid because they don't have the same information as you is not smart. It is mean.

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:07PM

jh79 wrote: »

Is your tap water fluoridated?

I presume so, before you ask i use harvested rain for my garden!!
Isn't all tap water flouridated except somewhere in west Cork

25-02-2014 05:11PM

melissak wrote: »

I presume so, before you ask i use harvested rain for my garden!!
Isn't all tap water flouridated except somewhere in west Cork

Thought you said earlier you had a well?

Have you ever drank tap water from the mains?

Muise... · 25-02-2014 05:13PM

melissak wrote: »

I didn't say that I was having a good debate with you muise, I am merely expressing the hope that the one he was referring to would be good. I actually got onto this thread in the first place because I thought that there might be a good debate with views from either side of the fence and that I might learn something. I was baffled by the level of jeering and "intellectual" snobbery being thrown around. Saying people are stupid because they don't have the same information as you is not smart. It is mean.

There you go again...

It is not stupid if you don't have the same information; it is stupid is you don't go and inform yourself from reliable sources and feed this information back into the discussion. If you insist on being spoonfed, you should at least eat.

srsly78 · 25-02-2014 05:15PM

melissak wrote: »

I presume so, before you ask i use harvested rain for my garden!!
Isn't all tap water flouridated except somewhere in west Cork

No it's only fluoridated in urban areas. Most small water schemes don't have it.

melissak · 25-02-2014 05:16PM

jh79 wrote: »

Thought you said earlier you had a well?

Have you ever drank tap water from the mains?

Rain is thought to be better for plants. the well is in a limestone area and is a bit too alkaline for some plants. So I use rain from a water butt. Why is it so important for you to catch me out??
I do drink water from the mains if I am staying at a friends house. I don't like the taste of it though and that whole cryptosperidiam thing a few years back freaked me out(probably wrong spelling but I'm sure someone will point it out as evidence of my lack of education and intelligence)

Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

Comments