The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2014

20-02-2014 2:57am

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Very strange to hear eamon o shea say that he has absolutely no ambitions to try and win the league.

Im not worried at what O'Shea says tbh. Im worried some of the players dont apply themselves regardless of the importance of the occasion

hawkwing · 20-02-2014 10:41am

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Very strange to hear eamon o shea say that he has absolutely no ambitions to try and win the league.

When he comes out with that type of thing then nobody should bother going to watch them in the league,what is the point if the manager is not even bothered himself.

20-02-2014 10:46am

Cant believe people are reading into what O'Shea says. To be honest all the league is really is warming up for the championship. Its a nothing tournament.

My criticism of the two players earlier is because they bring the same zilch intensity to every game regardless of importance but people are getting hot and bothered about O'Shea not going hell for leather for the league?

Alpha Dog 1 · 20-02-2014 10:48am

hawkwing wrote: »

When he comes out with that type of thing then nobody should bother going to watch them in the league,what is the point if the manager is not even bothered himself.

Yes very odd thing to say from a manager. If he's not going out to win what is he going out for? What message does that send to the players?

He's not exactly Brian Cody, his record as a manager is poor and he needs to go out and try to win every game If he wants a new contract.

evolving tipperary · 20-02-2014 1:21pm

hawkwing wrote: »

When he comes out with that type of thing then nobody should bother going to watch them in the league,what is the point if the manager is not even bothered himself.

- Well - that was not all he said. He also said the only thing he is worried about was the first game of the championship against Limerick. He putting all the stress and pressure on for that game. Obviously he has not won a championship game yet and wants to rectify that.

premierstone · 20-02-2014 1:59pm

Why are people taking what Eamon says to the press as gospel, its just soundbites and what happens in the dressing room and Morris Park is far more important.

20-02-2014 2:00pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Yes very odd thing to say from a manager. If he's not going out to win what is he going out for? What message does that send to the players?

He's not exactly Brian Cody, his record as a manager is poor and he needs to go out and try to win every game If he wants a new contract.

Who is to be fair? There is plenty of counties would love to have O'Shea over them. We are very lucky. I for one am grateful he is Tipperary manager. After having to endure many clueless management teams over the years it is great to have one with a bit of tactical nous for a change. He hasn't done an awful lot wrong really. I don't think you can make a silk purse from a sows ear and essentially what he has inherited from Declan Ryan and Tommy Dunne is a sows ear. Few good players alright but a few lazy 'superstars' there for good measure

The existing personnel let him down last year and this year he has an opportunity to blood new personnel and put his own stamp on the matter.
I do accept though that perhaps O'Shea was probably more of a buffer between Sheedy and the team the last time and its tough stepping up into the hot seat but he is an intelligent man so there'll be no fear of him

Comordha · 20-02-2014 2:38pm

For the Kilkenny game this weekend, will Corbett & Kelly get a run out do ye think? Going to be a very tough game, Nowlan park always is. Hopefully Bergin steps up a bit more.

20-02-2014 3:33pm

Comordha wrote: »

For the Kilkenny game this weekend, will Corbett & Kelly get a run out do ye think? Going to be a very tough game, Nowlan park always is. Hopefully Bergin steps up a bit more.

Is Lar fit yet? Id nearly hold off for now. Surprised Eoin Kelly came back tbh. Ive the utmost respect for the legend but i think his race is run tbh.

The Lost Sheep · 20-02-2014 6:02pm

Under 21s play Kilkenny on Sunday at 11am in O'Loughlin Gaels GAA grounds which are adjacent to Nowlan Park. Admission is 5 euro

ReacherCreature · 20-02-2014 9:34pm

Team announced:

Gleeson

Barrett, O'Mahony, Cahill

S. McGrath, Maher, Stapleton

Maher (C), O'Brien

Bergin, N. McGrath, Woodlock

Callanan, Murphy, Forde.

One change: Saint in for John O' Dwyer.

tippspur · 20-02-2014 10:24pm

An even weaker team than last week,I wish them the best of luck on Sunday and I'll go to cheer them on but I'm dreading another beating in Nowlan park.

Red Crow · 20-02-2014 10:31pm

Forward line looks fairly week. Think Bubbles has a few games on the go anyway so maybe they didn't want to risk him.

I'd say we could get beaten badly with this team tbh.

Comordha · 21-02-2014 1:54pm

Bubbles will probably be sprung off the bench if needed - which I am sure he will be. Going to be a hard day at the office for the lads.

premierstone · 21-02-2014 4:45pm

Very hard to try and predict EOS line ups and this is no exception.

We have two high quality Corner Backs and one looks like he could really flourish and add to proceedings up the field so we leave him there and start the other one wing back?

Jason Forde, Paddy Murphy and Bubbles were all poor the last day but the only one of the three who has shown any promise in the early season matches is the one that is droped, bizzare. Especially Murphy, he is a poorer version of both Denis Maher and Conor Kenny - neither of whom are perfect but certainly better prospects than Murphy. Actually looking at all those names how anyone can actually believe that Pa Burke should not be involved is beyond me.

Bergin, Noel and Woody as the HF line - not for me, Bergin is a wingback, Noel should be midfield and Woodlock on the bench (Midfield if he must start in fairness he doesnt lack for effort)

I'd switch O'Mahoney and Maher aswell, although if Curran returns there may be a shakeup in the backs anyway, I just dont trust Paudie to hold the centre sufficently as a modern CB needs to and would worry about COM's legs when he gets isolated one on one, think back to the way Clare did the same in last years AI replay and imagine COM in that position.

21-02-2014 5:41pm

Agree with nearly all of Westsides column this week.
Really hope we don't get humiliated Sunday but look its a sorry situation when Kilkenny have dropped off, are in a sort of transition period and still they could batter us.
I don't ask alot as a Tipp supporter only that ALL 15 of our lads and whatever subs just go out and leave nothing on the field. The environment of the modern game demands that you have to have warrior spirit. Surely EOS can honestly see that some lack that edge to go beyond the limits for us

http://www.tippsupportersclub.com/westside-column-21-february-2014/

evolving tipperary · 22-02-2014 3:17am

The boys will have to tear into it...or face embarrassment

Kilkenny Team to Play Tipperary Announced
Posted about 6 hours ago
ALLIANZ N.H.L.

KILKENNY v TIPPERARY

1. DAVID HERITY DUNNAMAGGIN
2. WILLIE PHELAN DUNNAMAGGIN
3. KIERAN JOYCE ROWER INISTIOGE
4. BRIAN KENNEDY ST. LACHTAINS
5. JOEY HOLDEN BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
6. BRIAN HOGAN O’LOUGHLIN GAELS
7. TOMMY WALSH TULLAROAN
8. LESTER RYAN CLARA
9. PADRAIG WALSH TULLAROAN
10. WALTER WALSH TULLOGHER ROSBERCON
11. COLIN FENNELLY BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
12. HENRY SHEFFLIN BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
13. JONJOE FARRELL THOMASTOWN
14. MARK KELLY O’LOUGHLIN GAELS
15. T.J. REID BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS

16. EOIN MURPHY GLENMORE
17. PAUL MURPHY DANESFORT
18. MICHAEL WALSH YOUNG IRELANDS
19. JACKIE TYRRELL JAMES STEPHENS
20. SHANE PRENDERGAST CLARA
21. DAVID LANGTON CLARA
22. LIAM RYAN CLARA
23. RICHIE HOGAN DANESFORT
24. CILLIAN BUCKLEY DICKSBORO
25. JOE BRENNAN ST. PATRICKS
26. EOIN LARKIN JAMES STEPHENS

digzy · 22-02-2014 10:44am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

The boys will have to tear into it...or face embarrassment

Kilkenny Team to Play Tipperary Announced
Posted about 6 hours ago
ALLIANZ N.H.L.

KILKENNY v TIPPERARY

1. DAVID HERITY DUNNAMAGGIN
2. WILLIE PHELAN DUNNAMAGGIN
3. KIERAN JOYCE ROWER INISTIOGE
4. BRIAN KENNEDY ST. LACHTAINS
5. JOEY HOLDEN BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
6. BRIAN HOGAN O’LOUGHLIN GAELS
7. TOMMY WALSH TULLAROAN
8. LESTER RYAN CLARA
9. PADRAIG WALSH TULLAROAN
10. WALTER WALSH TULLOGHER ROSBERCON
11. COLIN FENNELLY BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
12. HENRY SHEFFLIN BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
13. JONJOE FARRELL THOMASTOWN
14. MARK KELLY O’LOUGHLIN GAELS
15. T.J. REID BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS

16. EOIN MURPHY GLENMORE
17. PAUL MURPHY DANESFORT
18. MICHAEL WALSH YOUNG IRELANDS
19. JACKIE TYRRELL JAMES STEPHENS
20. SHANE PRENDERGAST CLARA
21. DAVID LANGTON CLARA
22. LIAM RYAN CLARA
23. RICHIE HOGAN DANESFORT
24. CILLIAN BUCKLEY DICKSBORO
25. JOE BRENNAN ST. PATRICKS
26. EOIN LARKIN JAMES STEPHENS

Surprised they're not giving Henry a rest.

What a bench

evolving tipperary · 22-02-2014 1:54pm

What a bench is right!

evolving tipperary · 22-02-2014 1:55pm

digzy wrote: »

Surprised they're not giving Henry a rest.

What a bench

I always like that Kilkenny name their bench too - its very inclusive - makes teh squad important - I don't know if the tipp tradition is not to or if the media are not bothered to report it - but I think Tipp should start naming their bench

Spirit of 67 · 22-02-2014 9:16pm

Well done to Michael Quinlivan and Shane Power , both Clonmel Commercials , on winning the Sigerson with UCC tonight .

Alpha Dog 1 · 23-02-2014 2:13pm

Great start from tipp in Nolan Park. 3 early goals!

Ompala · 23-02-2014 2:23pm

Serious improvement from last week with lads getting stuck in right from the start

Alpha Dog 1 · 23-02-2014 2:29pm

Another goal for tipp! Some game of hurling so far. 1.8 to 4.8.
27 minutes gone.
Callinan has the potential to run riot.

Loughc · 23-02-2014 3:49pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Another goal for tipp! Some game of hurling so far. 1.8 to 4.8.
27 minutes gone.
Callinan has the potential to run riot.

Great game to watch. A lot of issues brought up but a lot of positives to be taken from it too.

evolving tipperary · 23-02-2014 3:50pm

Got carried away lads! Same old story in the end...and Ritchie Power, JJ Delaney, Jackie, and Michael Fennelly nowhere near the field...

premierstone · 23-02-2014 4:36pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Got carried away lads! Same old story in the end...and Ritchie Power, JJ Delaney, Jackie, and Michael Fennelly nowhere near the field...

Ah come on evolving credit where its due the positives far out weigh any negatives and for them 4 I give you Conor O'Mahony, Paul Curran, Lar Corbett, John O'Brien and Eoin Kelly and only a few minutes from both Bubbles and Bonner.

We are definitely in a far better position than many would have thought after last week. I would strongly believe that you saw the 2 AI finalists there today.

GerB40 · 23-02-2014 4:45pm

Giving the game away in the last 10 minutes is something that has to be looked at and fixed come the championship. Other than that I'm personally happy enough with Tipps performance today. We know where the weaknesses are and what to work on before the summer and if the lads can keep up the physicality, hunger and skill they showed in the first half then Im confident we can contend the championship this year..

evolving tipperary · 23-02-2014 4:48pm

I realise Tipperary were missing players. However, the calibre of player Tipp were missing does not equate with the players Kilkenny were missing. They could equally say they only got a few minutes from Hogan. I didn't mention Larkin either. They're were positives but I still felt Tipp would be caught...

There were positives...a lot of negatives too...fading away when the real pressure came on the biggest issue...

How many goals came from through the center....3-5 from Colin Fennelly from play...5 points from Walter...

I think Clare are definitely the best team in the country...with KK just behind them

This team has taken some psychological blows over the years...this another one...how many more can it take? You can play in great matches...but can you keep losing them...

I will refrain from total judgement until the championship.

premierstone · 23-02-2014 5:38pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I realise Tipperary were missing players. However, the calibre of player Tipp were missing does not equate with the players Kilkenny were missing. They could equally say they only got a few minutes from Hogan. I didn't mention Larkin either. They're were positives but I still felt Tipp would be caught...

There were positives...a lot of negatives too...fading away when the real pressure came on the biggest issue...

How many goals came from through the center....3-5 from Colin Fennelly from play...5 points from Walter...

I think Clare are definitely the best team in the country...with KK just behind them

This team has taken some psychological blows over the years...this another one...how many more can it take? You can play in great matches...but can you keep losing them...

I will refrain from total judgement until the championship.

I'm sorry but the calibre of player we were missing absolutely does equal the ones KK were, infact of the 4 you mentioned, one was dropped by Cody from the panel entirely and only recalled on probation two weeks ago, and two of the other 3 are well passed their prime, as are some of the Tipp lads I mentioned.

Agree re the centre and I raised my concern about Paraic Maher before the game but that is not the centre of defense we will have come championship.

Don't agree about Clare I think they have a bit to prove to be afforded that status, this after all is a team who needed extra time to beat Wexford and were blessed to get a draw against a mediocre Cork team. They are a fine talented bunch but I personally think their stock is being slightly exaggerated.

How can you call this a psychological blow? A bit of perspective it was a league game in February in Nowlan Park and we went toe to toe with KK, only good can come today, that match was worth 4 months worth of training guaranteed.

evolving tipperary · 23-02-2014 6:31pm

No I don't think we have any players approaching five All-Irelands and just as many all-stars each...sorry we just don't. This is a results business. Winning is winning, the best habit and tradition. You talk what tipperary would take from today's game, yes there were positives. But Kilkenny will take more positives...obviously. They won and and fought back, had the character to come back after conceding four goals. They have to fear of Tipp...and why would they? So whatever we took from it today. surely you can see Kilkenny took more?

Larkin, Hogan, Power, Michael Fennelly - while around a long time - are still in their twenties...and at the core of KK best players.

Clare are ALL-Ireland champs...and they managed to beat KK whereas we did not. Clare's tony Kelly was pure today - but only because he had a tour de force against UL during the week. In a game nobody thought LIT could win...That Clare team have won at minor and under 21 and now at senior. Yes, maybe KK will devour them like they devoured our talented bunch after 2010...but I think Clare are made of sterner stuff at the core of their team - they don't panic and do not wilt.

I'm hopeful for Tipperary...but we are behind Clare and KK as far as I can see.

Kilkenny keep beating us...and it is a blow every time. A blow to belief...

It was a real chance to make that KK team question themselves with two losses in a row against two big rivals...

evolving tipperary · 23-02-2014 6:36pm

That won't be the full back line KK have come championship

Ompala · 23-02-2014 7:36pm

More optimistic now than I was before the match, much much better performance today than last week.
1st half was a superb effort, intelligent use of the ball rather than just hitting it in high every time.
We faded badly in the 2nd half, and missed goal chances when we really needed them to keep ourselves in front.
We let Kilkenny run through the centre too easily (they'll probably say the same about us), P Maher doesn't have great pace at centre back, think he would be better at full back, great in the air.
Thought our best player was James Woodlock at wing forward, got on the ball a lot and came back to help out the defence. Callanan scored 3-5 I think but missed a bit too, showed what he is capable of today. Much happier this weekend than last weekend.

evolving tipperary · 23-02-2014 8:09pm

Where would play Cahill in the championship? What did you think of Bergin today

Red Crow · 23-02-2014 8:18pm

I was delighted today and I really expected a beating coming off that Waterford result. We slowly died towards the end and a few lads looked spent after about 50 mins. I thought a few subs could of been made earlier but with a few to come in and a make shift defence and forwards I have to say I'm delighted with what we got today.

tippspur · 23-02-2014 9:14pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Where would play Cahill in the championship? What did you think of Bergin today

Cahill was great again today,might be worth a try further up the field maybe in the middle,Bergin was poor I thought,he's a wing back not a wing forward imo.Another poor performance from Forde and Paddy Murphy,Forde might improve but Murphy isn't good enough unfortunately.

evolving tipperary · 23-02-2014 9:22pm

He's a slower burner, Paddy Murphy. Didn't look up to much at under 21 in his first year then was great after that. I'm not saying he will ever set the world alight. But given time he will prove to be a very useful option. Experience and confidence at this level is vital to him - as to any player we bring along. Forde will be as good as if not better than Lar - given time. I'd put a lot of money on that

24-02-2014 12:15am

Disappointing today but if i'm honest i thought we would be battered out the gate so ill look on the positives.

Great atmosphere and almost championship intensity toward the end. Kilkenny were extremely loose the first half but it would seem Cody was happy enough that he had the personnel on his 26 to outscore us regardless on the day.
Nevertheless i believe our use of possession in our own final third cost us big time and it was a more deciding factor then anything else. Many many times we would come away with the ball and put ourselves into trouble. I cant help feeling our clearances are a big source of our problem. We seem to be hitting it anywhere rather then anywhere in particular and this could be because few are making themselves available all over the pitch. Kilkenny always always had a man available in yards of space no matter what part of the pitch.

We can be very wet behind the ears for a squad who has All Ireland medals. I mean there was no need to strike out at Fennelly for getting in the way of the free taker although i suppose we couldn't have trusted Kirwan to do the right thing and bring it forward. That all said, lashing out was silly. It ended up being a throw ball and seconds later it was in the Tipperary net.

The second half ended up Kilkenny 3-11 to Tipperary 1-5. We totally lost our way.

All this said id prefer we have something to prove in the summer rather then getting a sense of grandeur today having ground out a win based on an unusual first half.

24-02-2014 12:23am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

He's a slower burner, Paddy Murphy. Didn't look up to much at under 21 in his first year then was great after that. I'm not saying he will ever set the world alight. But given time he will prove to be a very useful option. Experience and confidence at this level is vital to him - as to any player we bring along. Forde will be as good as if not better than Lar - given time. I'd put a lot of money on that

In Forde's defence he has had 3 games in a little over a week between the Allianz league and Fitzgibbon (as has Bubbles) though i would be fairly concerned he isnt the fastest.

evolving tipperary · 24-02-2014 12:29am

True enough. Bubbles is not the fastest either. But they are very smart - wristy hurlers. It will take time for Forde to adjust but he will.
People forget how long it took Lar to find his feet...

They can't be all like Kelly - like a duck to water

evolving tipperary · 24-02-2014 12:34am

The second half was such a disappointment...

we had no one who could take the game by the scruff of the neck...that's worrying. Same against Waterford. I think Bergin is wing or midfield...

I would like to see Denis Maher get 70 mins next week - the Clare game should be a test. They should be stung after last year in the league - the waterford final just gone and beaten today - Clare should come with a bit of sting with them. I don't care about the movement in the forwards. Two points and safety, please. Then concentrate on finding options for the championship... When will we get a look at Hamill or Kennedy?

24-02-2014 12:48am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

The second half was such a disappointment...

we had no one who could take the game by the scruff of the neck...that's worrying. Same against Waterford. I think Bergin is wing or midfield...

I would like to see Denis Maher get 70 mins next week - the Clare game should be a test. They should be stung after last year in the league - the waterford final just gone and beaten today - Clare should come with a bit of sting with them. I don't care about the movement in the forwards. Two points and safety, please. Then concentrate on finding options for the championship... When will we get a look at Hamill or Kennedy?

To be fair to O'Shea, injury, College cups and u21 football have claimed a good few of the younger players so the year has been frustrating in that regard.

If its any consolation our u21's easily won the challenge across the road in OLG's ground today. Wasn't at it myself but a friend of mine was telling me they dominated the game.

The one thing i noticed about Kilkenny today is the power, combined with speed and movement of their forwards. Normally speed can be a trade off for the bit of extra bulk but their ability to create space and run riot is highly impressive.

Alpha Dog 1 · 24-02-2014 9:13am

Kilkenny definitely offer unbelievable speed and power. We are actually quite a slow team, will be interesting to see how we go against clare.

Kilkenny were also far superior in the air. We have very few who can compete in the air. It has been apparent over the last few years that as soon as we start to tire our backs start launching high ball into the forwards which aren't worth a ****e.

premierstone · 24-02-2014 10:45am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

No I don't think we have any players approaching five All-Irelands and just as many all-stars each...sorry we just don't. This is a results business. Winning is winning, the best habit and tradition. You talk what tipperary would take from today's game, yes there were positives. But Kilkenny will take more positives...obviously. They won and and fought back, had the character to come back after conceding four goals. They have to fear of Tipp...and why would they? So whatever we took from it today. surely you can see Kilkenny took more?

Larkin, Hogan, Power, Michael Fennelly - while around a long time - are still in their twenties...and at the core of KK best players.

Clare are ALL-Ireland champs...and they managed to beat KK whereas we did not. Clare's tony Kelly was pure today - but only because he had a tour de force against UL during the week. In a game nobody thought LIT could win...That Clare team have won at minor and under 21 and now at senior. Yes, maybe KK will devour them like they devoured our talented bunch after 2010...but I think Clare are made of sterner stuff at the core of their team - they don't panic and do not wilt.

I'm hopeful for Tipperary...but we are behind Clare and KK as far as I can see.

Kilkenny keep beating us...and it is a blow every time. A blow to belief...

It was a real chance to make that KK team question themselves with two losses in a row against two big rivals...

But we do! Of the players I mentioned all have multiple AI's and all stars although what past achievements have to do with the future Im not sure? Actually on a side to this how many all stars and AI medals do Tommy Walsh and Brian Hogan have?? And they both taken off at half time with their arses handed to them?

You seem to be putting a huge emphasis on league form, so I assume Clare are in crisis now after suffering a 6 point loss to the dubs?

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Where would play Cahill in the championship? What did you think of Bergin today

Cahill IMO is the best hurler in the country and could play anywhere, personally I would love to see him midfield with Brendan, either that or wingback with Brendan and Noel midfield.

tippspur wrote: »

Cahill was great again today,might be worth a try further up the field maybe in the middle,Bergin was poor I thought,he's a wing back not a wing forward imo.Another poor performance from Forde and Paddy Murphy,Forde might improve but Murphy isn't good enough unfortunately.

Paddy Murphy is shocking, no excuses he just isnt within an asses roar of a county hurler, even when Tipp were flowing in the first half he looked out of place.

evolving tipperary wrote: »

The second half was such a disappointment...

we had no one who could take the game by the scruff of the neck...that's worrying. Same against Waterford. I think Bergin is wing or midfield...

I would like to see Denis Maher get 70 mins next week - the Clare game should be a test. They should be stung after last year in the league - the waterford final just gone and beaten today - Clare should come with a bit of sting with them. I don't care about the movement in the forwards. Two points and safety, please. Then concentrate on finding options for the championship... When will we get a look at Hamill or Kennedy?

Both Hamill and Kennedy have been injured, hamill isnt good enough anyway and Ive seen more meat on a butchers pencil, Kennedy could be an option alright.

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Kilkenny definitely offer unbelievable speed and power. We are actually quite a slow team, will be interesting to see how we go against clare.

Kilkenny were also far superior in the air. We have very few who can compete in the air. It has been apparent over the last few years that as soon as we start to tire our backs start launching high ball into the forwards which aren't worth a ****e.

Watch the game again please, Tipp actually won the aerial battle.

Alpha Dog 1 · 24-02-2014 11:10am

Tipp definitely didn't win the aerial battle especially in the second half and if you go back and watch every defeat we have had in the championship in last 3 years it is the same.

Did you see the championship defeat to kilkenny last year? We made hogan look like a superstar.

premierstone · 24-02-2014 12:51pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Tipp definitely didn't win the aerial battle especially in the second half and if you go back and watch every defeat we have had in the championship in last 3 years it is the same.

Did you see the championship defeat to kilkenny last year? We made hogan look like a superstar.

Tipperary won 40 out of 71 puckouts over the 70 mins, how is that not winning the aerial battle?

Agreed it has been a huge problem over the last few years, that was one of the most encouraging things about yesterday.

I did see last years game, I was there actually and what I saw was Paul Murpohy give an exhibition but in the first 20 mins Lar had him in his pocket, Lar doesnt get injured we win that game comfortably IMO.

Fireball07 · 24-02-2014 12:53pm

I'm going to watch this game in full when I get home this evening, looked like a cracker.

From the highlights, it looked like Cahill was playing wing-back? Huge fan of his, how did he go there? But any defence that concedes a lot of goals must be under a lot of pressure, both Walsh and Shefflin looked to have good games... and Fennelly was on huge form, was Paudie Maher at centre-back again? He got destroyed there by Mick Fennelly last year.

As I said, I'll watch it when I get home but at least Callanan and McGrath seemed to be in good form for ye're sakes... were kinda letdowns last year, and with the talent they have, you need them in form. Would persist with Jason Forde aswell, I think he's a class act.

Woodlock at midfield again? Must admit I had written him off, but he seems to be doing well... and Brendan Maher just oozes class, so that's a good midfield partnership if both are on form. I've talked ye up this year, but I think the kind of attacking movement you showed in the first half is what O'Shea can bring and few defences can live with that.

premierstone · 24-02-2014 1:22pm

Fireball07 wrote: »

I'm going to watch this game in full when I get home this evening, looked like a cracker.

From the highlights, it looked like Cahill was playing wing-back? Huge fan of his, how did he go there? But any defence that concedes a lot of goals must be under a lot of pressure, both Walsh and Shefflin looked to have good games... and Fennelly was on huge form, was Paudie Maher at centre-back again? He got destroyed there by Mick Fennelly last year.

As I said, I'll watch it when I get home but at least Callanan and McGrath seemed to be in good form for ye're sakes... were kinda letdowns last year, and with the talent they have, you need them in form. Would persist with Jason Forde aswell, I think he's a class act.

Woodlock at midfield again? Must admit I had written him off, but he seems to be doing well... and Brendan Maher just oozes class, so that's a good midfield partnership if both are on form. I've talked ye up this year, but I think the kind of attacking movement you showed in the first half is what O'Shea can bring and few defences can live with that.

Yeah was a great game, best I've seen in the round robin of the league ever.

Cahill started in the corner and came out to wing back and then midfield, he was immense and can hurl any where tbh.

Yeah the goals are a huge concern and 4 of our back 6 were destroyed, Paraic Maher is becoming a huge problem for Tipp and a big decision is going to have to be made, for me its either full back or good luck!

Woodlock is a workhorse and will always give it 100%, we have quite alot of prima donna types so I guess for balance we need a few Woodlocks! Brendan Maher, while better thawn he was against Waterford still wasn't on top form and is capable of better, I agree with you though a top form Brendan Maher is a joy to behold.

evolving tipperary · 24-02-2014 5:14pm

Actually on a side to this how many all stars and AI medals do Tommy Walsh and Brian Hogan have?? And they both taken off at half time with their arses handed to them?

Exactly- these lads won't be that bad again. They're too good and Tipp still couldn't beat them.

You seem to be putting a huge emphasis on league form, so I assume Clare are in crisis now after suffering a 6 point loss to the dubs?

Conversely, you're placing more on league form if you say the signs are positive!??!?! You are reading positively into a league defeat? Beaten by 6 points after being 10 points up? Clare beat KK...and performed - we beat Waterford and did not perform. There were positive signs just a hell of a lot more for KK...they seem to be finding the players we need...Mark Kelly and Walter Walsh...

I don't think Mullane is a genius but he knows about the game. I think he makes some good points here:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2014/0223/506226-mullane-kilkenny-will-win-back-all-ireland/

Paddy Murphy is shocking, no excuses he just isnt within an asses roar of a county hurler, even when Tipp were flowing in the first half he looked out of place. =

You must give players time to develop - You mention him but he was better than Bergin - Murphy got a point and worked hard - He will get there as an option for tipp - it will take time - but we need to cultivate tall ball winners - he's an option - we can't just throw him away - he needs to learn his trade at senior level

Both Hamill and Kennedy have been injured, hamill isnt good enough anyway and Ive seen more meat on a butchers pencil, Kennedy could be an option alright.
= I think Hamill will come good - he's great in the air - pace is an issue - but O'mahony was never that fast - he must be given time to learn at this level too

ReacherCreature · 24-02-2014 6:17pm

premierstone wrote: »

Cahill IMO is the best hurler in the country and could play anywhere, personally I would love to see him midfield with Brendan, either that or wingback with Brendan and Noel midfield.

I'm a huge fan of Cahill but what're your reasons for having him as the best in the country? Absolutely not having a go, just curious as to why. He was magisterial yesterday and for the last few seasons. His two points from midfield were outrageous. I really didn't think he had that kind of point-scoring ability. My only worry is that if you take him out of cornerback who do you put in there? He's our best defender. Unless you throw Stapleton in at #2 and Barrett at #4.

Paddy Murphy is shocking, no excuses he just isnt within an asses roar of a county hurler

He's really slow. Just slow. You don't have to be blazingly fast at full forward but it's a fast game and how a KK defender didn't close him down for his point is puzzling. O' Shea must see something in him, he's gained two starts in two League games. League is a testing ground but when you've certified starters like Forde, McGrath, Callanan playing it's strange.

Fireball07 wrote: »

From the highlights, it looked like Cahill was playing wing-back? Huge fan of his, how did he go there?

He has been very good when taken out of his natural home at cornerback. Excellent talent. He's played in midfield during challenge matches and popped up with a couple of goals and points. He's an enormous asset of ours.

and Fennelly was on huge form, was Paudie Maher at centre-back again? He got destroyed there by Mick Fennelly last year.

I'm a big fan of Maher but he really needs to find some consistent form. He looked off the pace yesterday.

As I said, I'll watch it when I get home but at least Callanan and McGrath seemed to be in good form for ye're sakes... were kinda letdowns last year, and with the talent they have, you need them in form. Would persist with Jason Forde aswell, I think he's a class act.

It's Forde's second year with the seniors after splitting time with U21 last season and he's a talent. Needs to grow. Callanan and McGrath were letdowns yes but they've been this way for some time, Callanan to be fair to him has had a swathe of injuries and can't get form but he tends to drift in and out of games. McGrath has gotten his fair share of action and I don't know what the story with him is. He hasn't really blown the world away.

Woodlock at midfield again? Must admit I had written him off, but he seems to be doing well... and Brendan Maher just oozes class, so that's a good midfield partnership if both are on form. I've talked ye up this year, but I think the kind of attacking movement you showed in the first half is what O'Shea can bring and few defences can live with that.

Woodlock, didn't like him at first but he's industrious to a T and battled all over the field yesterday. Further agreement here about Maher. He's seriously talented.

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