Dark Souls

AnCapaillMor · 24-10-2013 9:59am

A lot of dark is optional, you can skip a lot of bosses especially with the master key as a beginner gift, you can even skip the burg altogether. That guy below in the tower drops a handy item. He's also perfect for practising backstabs on even parries but as you found out, messing up once has dire consequenses.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 24-10-2013 10:19am

krudler wrote: »

Cool, can you come back to previous areas? or are you constantly pushed forward? I like how little hand holding is in it, dying has consequences and makes you think twice about charging in swinging as that gets you killed pretty quick, none of this die and restart from a few seconds earlier stuff that's so prevalant in games these days. Those bloody firebombers are annoying though :mad:

i think there might be one or two areas where you can't easily go back.. but in general once you have somewhere opened up you can move back and forth just by walking back the path you came

krudler · 24-10-2013 11:36am

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

i think there might be one or two areas where you can't easily go back.. but in general once you have somewhere opened up you can move back and forth just by walking back the path you came

I don't think there's a "just" in Dark Souls, ah yeah sure just venture back along that section where everything is ready to kill you again, off ya go :pac:

I took that ring that gives you more HP at the start, I'm kinda wondering now should I restart with the master key before I get too far into it, I actually wouldn't mind replaying the first section I'm not too far into it, just over an hour. And at least now I know whats instore up until where I am, not slowly going around corners with my shield up hoping there's not something horrible around :pac:

saidinmilamber · 24-10-2013 11:52am

krudler wrote: »

I don't think there's a "just" in Dark Souls, ah yeah sure just venture back along that section where everything is ready to kill you again, off ya go :pac:

I took that ring that gives you more HP at the start, I'm kinda wondering now should I restart with the master key before I get too far into it, I actually wouldn't mind replaying the first section I'm not too far into it, just over an hour. And at least now I know whats instore up until where I am, not slowly going around corners with my shield up hoping there's not something horrible around :pac:

Don't worry, you can buy a master key later on. The master key is only really that useful if you plan on going to areas that are REALLY dangerous for underlevelled characters to pick up some sweet gear by doing suicide runs. For your first playthrough, you probably won't be doing that.

If you want to kill that black knight and get the ring he guards (buffs defense when hp critical, and maybe a piece of awesome black knight equipment), then use the gold pine resin that you found in the chest nearby to buff your weapon with lightning. Also, practice backstabbing before parry and ripostes; it'll wreck him! One last thing, when you get to the tower in the burg, for christ sake DON'T GO DOWN THE STAIRS!!!

(So jealous that you get to do all of this for the first time!)

krudler · 24-10-2013 12:01pm

saidinmilamber wrote: »

Don't worry, you can buy a master key later on. The master key is only really that useful if you plan on going to areas that are REALLY dangerous for underlevelled characters to pick up some sweet gear by doing suicide runs. For your first playthrough, you probably won't be doing that.

If you want to kill that black knight and get the ring he guards (buffs defense when hp critical, and maybe a piece of awesome black knight equipment), then use the gold pine resin that you found in the chest nearby to buff your weapon with lightning. Also, practice backstabbing before parry and ripostes; it'll wreck him! One last thing, when you get to the tower in the burg, for christ sake DON'T GO DOWN THE STAIRS!!!

I must practice backstabbing more, is there a trick to is or just leg around them, am a knight so not exactly speedy.

Cravez · 24-10-2013 12:10pm

The trick to backstabbing is not using an directional buttons when you hit the attack button. Once you're at their back, press attack only. When I first played Dark Souls I kept on repeatedly failing backstabs because I was holding down the directional as well as attack.

Few tactics for backstabs:
- Obvious one is sneaking up behind them by not running.
- Having a decent stable shield, when they attack and the block knocks them off guard, run behind them and backstab
- Do not lock onto an enemy and zig zag and run behind them, if your faster at running behind them than they are turning around then you can backstab them (good against hollow soldiers with spears)
- Kick them and when it breaks their block run behind them and backstab them.
- Later in the game you can get two rings, one that makes you nearly invisible and one that muffles your footsteps. These will easily allow you to do backstabs

All the above except the third one, the lock-on function can be useful to easily turn behind an enemy when you try get behind them

krudler · 24-10-2013 12:17pm

Aha, I was holding the directional pad as well, will try it without later. getting a riposte spot on is damn satisfying, especially on the enemies with shields and armour.

saidinmilamber · 24-10-2013 1:16pm

I never knew that about the touching the analogue stick while backstabbing, I must give this a whirl later, as I'm pretty bad at backstabbing in PvP! My trick for backstabbing in PvE though is not locking on, and just running behind them and clocking them. Check out this video though for a great guide on PvE backstabbing.

Sgt Hartman · 24-10-2013 2:23pm

I love backstabbing with the Hornet ring when I invade someone although it leads to quite a bit of hatemail

I've pretty much done all there is to do in this game. Nowadays I just either offer my services as a Sunbro or I invade other people and hunt them down. I normally lurk around Anor Londo with my Level 55 sorceror or invade in the Kiln with my level 120 Cleric.

One last thing, when you get to the tower in the burg, for christ sake DON'T GO DOWN THE STAIRS!!!

I done that using the Master Key, after a lot of crazy dodging and backstabbing I won lol.

Colonel Panic · 24-10-2013 2:33pm

Havel is also easily parryable. Just gtf out of the way if he goes two handed.

2Mad2BeMad · 24-10-2013 2:47pm

Colonel Panic wrote: »

Havel is also easily parryable. Just gtf out of the way if he goes two handed.

thats the one thing I didnt like about that small fight
on my first playthrough without any guide
I terrible struggled to kill him , i think I died about 40 times in the whole playthrough before I killed him, even then I was like lvl 120 and struggled
then I started reading up guides to see if I missed anything and found out all you had to do was backstab him a few times
I can beat him sl1

feels like cheating ha

krudler · 26-10-2013 6:55pm

Am at the Bell Gargoyles now, I have no resin left to give my sword any lighting cos I stupidly wasted it on the Taurus Demon and made a balls of the drop attack off the tower and now and am getting my ass kicked, I can manage fine until the 2nd one joins the fight then I either get roasted as I'm fighting one or the two of them just hammer me. Is there any way to get more gold resin aside from that chest in Undead Burg?

iamanengine · 26-10-2013 6:59pm

krudler wrote: »

Am at the Bell Gargoyles now, I have no resin left to give my sword any lighting cos I stupidly wasted it on the Taurus Demon and made a balls of the drop attack off the tower and now and am getting my ass kicked, I can manage fine until the 2nd one joins the fight then I either get roasted as I'm fighting one or the two of them just hammer me. Is there any way to get more gold resin aside from that chest in Undead Burg?

My DS is a little rusty but if you go into human form there is an NPC you can summon who helps out a lot in that fight. You should see a summon sign on the ground somewhere near the fog wall.

krudler · 26-10-2013 7:03pm

iamanengine wrote: »

My DS is a little rusty but if you go into human form there is an NPC you can summon who helps out a lot in that fight. You should see a summon sign on the ground somewhere near the fog wall.

I let some dude in gold armour out of a prison just before it, that him? am loving this, its bastard hard but you want to keep at it, even low level enemies can overwhelm and hack you to pieces, thought I was a badass going into a room with a load of hollows in it, got murdered as they surrounded me. the relief of seeing a bonfire is something else :pac:

Mickeroo · 26-10-2013 7:07pm

Did you meet a chap called Solaire before the bridge wyvern? You should be able to summon him too. The bell gargoyle's are a formality with Solaire and Lautrec (gold armour guy).

Tommy_NDX · 27-10-2013 1:48pm

I've decided that I need to get at least one platinum trophy before the ps4 comes out and it just has to be this game. So I'm going to be playing over the next week if anyone needs help with anything or just wants to bash some phantoms in the forest. I've got 2x lvl120, 2x lvl100, a lvl50 and a lvl15 characters.

PSN Remi223

Danonino. · 27-10-2013 4:19pm

Tommy_NDX wrote: »

I've decided that I need to get at least one platinum trophy before the ps4 comes out and it just has to be this game. So I'm going to be playing over the next week if anyone needs help with anything or just wants to bash some phantoms in the forest. I've got 2x lvl120, 2x lvl100, a lvl50 and a lvl15 characters.

PSN Remi223

Went back to finish the knights honor trophy, Also need to grab the Cyrstal weapon upgrade path (easy enough) and the Fire weapon upgrade path. If you need any slabs/chunks or armours/weapons I can help you out in exchange for boss souls

My knights honor character is roughly lv55 at the mo, I might send you a message once I hit closer to 100.

Hopefully I'll have the knights honor achievement in a day or two and can exchange stuff like Priscilla's Dagger and the black knight/silver knight weapons etc.

PSN astrotuned

krudler · 27-10-2013 4:25pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Did you meet a chap called Solaire before the bridge wyvern? You should be able to summon him too. The bell gargoyle's are a formality with Solaire and Lautrec (gold armour guy).

I could only get Solaire to appear the other summon failed, still made short enough work of the gargoyles though, i like how all the areas link together, can get easily back to the fire shrine now, yay for x10 estus flasks. I met the demon boss after the gargoyles, methinks another summon is in order, got him down to bout 1/4 health but he's tough enough. Got some resin to make fire appear on my sword from that ould one in the tunnel to firelink shrine so will give that a go against him.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 27-10-2013 4:25pm

demon boss?

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oh, do you mean the fella with the tail, underneath where the blacksmith is?

krudler · 27-10-2013 4:29pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

demon boss?

--edit

oh, do you mean the fella with the tail, underneath where the blacksmith is?

he's in this area with loads of dogs and some ninja looking guys with hoods who come out of doors, there's a tunnel that leads into the tunnel from firelink to undead burg at the beginning, cabra demon or something i think he was called

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 27-10-2013 4:31pm

oh and now that you've rung one of the bells of awakening I'm going to leave this video here

it's kinda spoilerific, it's an optional thing in the game but doing it unlocks another (awesome) optional area in the game and really there's absolutely no way in hell you're going to know about it on your first playthrough (unless you picked a certain starting gift and .. had a certain amount of humanityu or something.. im not entirely sure how it works)

main point im trying to make is that you really should do this, there's no way in hell you're going to realise it on your own.. but its up to you whether or not you want to click this video link and see how to do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH6TRHRp2zs

video is pretty short, only shows you the basics of how to get to the area

also, it's kinda ****ing hard.

---edit

also justin case any smart ****er chimes in, I know how to embed videos.. i didn't do it in case he was a spoiler purist. kthx

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 27-10-2013 4:31pm

krudler wrote: »

he's in this area with loads of dogs and some ninja looking guys with hoods who come out of doors, there's a tunnel that leads into the tunnel from firelink to undead burg at the beginning, cabra demon or something i think he was called

aaah yeah, lower undead burg. he was a bastard, mainly cos of the dogs.

krudler · 27-10-2013 4:43pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

aaah yeah, lower undead burg. he was a bastard, mainly cos of the dogs.

Yeah, i got the dogs quick enough but he hammered me, went up the stairs and rolled off as he attacked and when he lands he crouches so waded into him, got a bit overzealous the 2nd time though and he mangled me. I like how it rewards patiences, going in all swords blazing will get you nowhere.

Tommy_NDX · 27-10-2013 5:02pm

Danonino. wrote: »

Went back to finish the knights honor trophy, Also need to grab the Cyrstal weapon upgrade path (easy enough) and the Fire weapon upgrade path. If you need any slabs/chunks or armours/weapons I can help you out in exchange for boss souls My knights honor character is roughly lv55 at the mo, I might send you a message once I hit closer to 100.

Hopefully I'll have the knights honor achievement in a day or two and can exchange stuff like Priscilla's Dagger and the black knight/silver knight weapons etc.

PSN astrotuned

I'm down to just needing one more sif soul and seath's tail for the platinum. I'm gonna get them myself but I can trade anything I don't need. It's on my 120 character though but I can help you on my 50 character or one of the 100's if you level up.
Won't be on this evening so maybe tomorrow or durin the week.

2smiggy · 27-10-2013 6:24pm

Probably have them , soul level 80/125/165 on PS3

Danonino. · 27-10-2013 11:33pm

Tommy_NDX wrote: »

I'm down to just needing one more sif soul and seath's tail for the platinum. I'm gonna get them myself but I can trade anything I don't need. It's on my 120 character though but I can help you on my 50 character or one of the 100's if you level up.
Won't be on this evening so maybe tomorrow or durin the week.

cool what I'll try do is get the character I'm playing through up to level 100, just finished the first playthrough, gonna farm the silver knights for their gear tonight and try get summoned a few for Orn+Smough for souls to upgrade spears and junk for the boss souls, then head to lost ilizath. I've a few characters around lv 75 that I could probably grab a Sif and moonlight sword for you easy. I'll check and see if I have a quick route to 100 with one of them too

Need A sif soul for myself, pretty sure everything else can be done in 2 runs.

krudler · 28-10-2013 9:51am

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

aaah yeah, lower undead burg. he was a bastard, mainly cos of the dogs.

Woohoo got a summon working and twatted him good, in the Depths now, I was going through an area with a load of hollows carrying fire and dogs and heard this weird clanking sound, saw some big dude chopping meat and stupidly thought he was an NPC, didn't realise he was an enemy, fighting two dogs when he strolled over and battered me.

Tommy_NDX · 28-10-2013 10:18am

Danonino. wrote: »

cool what I'll try do is get the character I'm playing through up to level 100, just finished the first playthrough, gonna farm the silver knights for their gear tonight and try get summoned a few for Orn+Smough for souls to upgrade spears and junk for the boss souls, then head to lost ilizath. I've a few characters around lv 75 that I could probably grab a Sif and moonlight sword for you easy. I'll check and see if I have a quick route to 100 with one of them too

Need A sif soul for myself, pretty sure everything else can be done in 2 runs.

I'll be doing another run anyway so don't worry bout giving me anything. Ill add you later.

Tommy_NDX · 28-10-2013 10:20am

krudler wrote: »

Woohoo got a summon working and twatted him good, in the Depths now, I was going through an area with a load of hollows carrying fire and dogs and heard this weird clanking sound, saw some big dude chopping meat and stupidly thought he was an NPC, didn't realise he was an enemy, fighting two dogs when he strolled over and battered me.

I love reading posts about someone enjoying a souls game for the first time and not bitching about difficulty or the checkpoints. It takes me back

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 28-10-2013 10:37am

krudler wrote: »

Woohoo got a summon working and twatted him good, in the Depths now, I was going through an area with a load of hollows carrying fire and dogs and heard this weird clanking sound, saw some big dude chopping meat and stupidly thought he was an NPC, didn't realise he was an enemy, fighting two dogs when he strolled over and battered me.

she's actually a she

krudler · 28-10-2013 10:52am

Tommy_NDX wrote: »

I love reading posts about someone enjoying a souls game for the first time and not bitching about difficulty or the checkpoints. It takes me back

I'll admit I didn't get Demon's Souls, I never gave it enough time. Am absolutely loving this though, dying is a learning tool, yeah it can be annoying trudging back to an area to fight a boss again you just want to get back there but rushing it never ends well.
And 90% of the time if you die it's your own fault, I've cursed the controls for sending me rolling off ledges a few times alright but usually it's from rushing or not feeling out an enemy that gets you murdered. I don't really mind replaying sections as you're constantly bettering yourself and combat techniques or trying new weapons and tactics, going into new areas is fun too, shield up, check the corners, never assume anywhere is safe.

krudler · 28-10-2013 10:54am

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

she's actually a she

Really? jaysus..

krudler · 28-10-2013 11:26am

so I met Havel.

That went well :pac:

Mickeroo · 28-10-2013 11:40am

krudler wrote: »

so I met Havel.

That went well :pac:

I got him to follow me up to the top of the tower, he wont come out onto the steps so you can get a few cheap shots in while he's backing away into the tower again.

Cheap but it worked :pac:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 28-10-2013 11:43am

hehehe, that's nasty

i always got him to follow me up one flight of stairs, so if I died i'd be able to easily reclaim my souls without agro'ing him

krudler.. if you're going to do that thing in my video, do it before or just after blighttown. literally just after though, otherwise there's not much point

PandyAndy · 28-10-2013 11:45am

krudler wrote: »

so I met Havel.

That went well :pac:

STOP, DROP and ROLL! Or well don't stop or drop, just roll and backstab.

And use some Gold Pine Resin if you have it.

krudler · 28-10-2013 11:59am

Mickeroo wrote: »

I got him to follow me up to the top of the tower, he wont come out onto the steps so you can get a few cheap shots in while he's backing away into the tower again.
Cheap but it worked :pac:

Someone mentioned not going down the stairs, and every time I pass through that area where you climb up or go down to him there's "tough enemy" messages. they weren't lying. I walked down, saw him, he tore towards me before I could even process what was happening, I dove off the stairs and then by the time I thought "is that a big tooth he's holding?" I was dead lol

I had a look at the wiki and backstabbing seems to be my friend, will go back to him later and have another go.

krudler · 28-10-2013 1:59pm

Question about classes, prob been answered on here but theres a lot of pages, can I learn spells as a knight? or are you stuck with melee weapons and bows?

F1ngers · 28-10-2013 2:34pm

krudler wrote: »

Question about classes, prob been answered on here but theres a lot of pages, can I learn spells as a knight? or are you stuck with melee weapons and bows?

Every class can become an expert at everything.

EDIT: http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/

Danonino. · 28-10-2013 7:06pm

HA ended up playing till all hours and grabbing all the trophys at silly o'clock :pac:

Kinda embarrassed to say I've now 100% completed Dark Souls on 360 and PS3. I have a lv2 Cleric run saved at the 4 kings, but I think I'm done. Really done this time. Roll on Dark Souls 2

krudler · 28-10-2013 8:25pm

Oh ffs, I got twatted again by Havel, said I'd go off and do something else, wound up in Darkroot Basin, see some gigantic boss thingy off in the distance, saw screw that and go in a door up a hill, who's there? Havel! I didn't realise the area was right under Undead Burg.

I love the level design in this game, every area is reachable and the bonfires start to seem less distant the more you progress and get around. Really starting to see why it made it into so many people's favourite games list.

saidinmilamber · 29-10-2013 12:56am

krudler wrote: »

Question about classes, prob been answered on here but theres a lot of pages, can I learn spells as a knight? or are you stuck with melee weapons and bows?

Yep, and there's some great spells that work well for melee characters like magic weapon. From the Firelink Shrine's bonfire, go down the stairs to the firekeeper, and keep going down till you reach an elevator. Head down to the New Londo ruins, and when out of that little tower look for a path that goes down and to the right where you'll find Rickert of Vinheim. You can buy a catalyst and some basic spells from him. You'll find Griggs of Vinheim trapped by a locked door (yeah...) in the Lower Undead Burg, just near the entrance, but you need to have bought the key from the male undead merchant that's near the first bonfire in the Burg. He'll then be selling better spells from the Firelink Shrine.

Personally, I think miracles compliment a melee build better though. Hurling lightning bolts at your enemies is friggin fun! You have to join the Covenant of the Sunbro to get those miracles though. To get to that altar, you gotta run past the dragon on the bridge (hint: run up the stairs and run straight to the other side and hide behind the wall to avoid the flame). You won't be able to pray at the altar though till you either have high faith, or you've helped some people kill bosses in some online jolly cooperation!

Tommy_NDX · 29-10-2013 11:51am

Danonino. wrote: »

HA ended up playing till all hours and grabbing all the trophys at silly o'clock :pac:

Kinda embarrassed to say I've now 100% completed Dark Souls on 360 and PS3. I have a lv2 Cleric run saved at the 4 kings, but I think I'm done. Really done this time. Roll on Dark Souls 2

My internet crapped out so I never got too add you, it's just back today and I've also just got the platinum literally 15 minutes ago too.

Tommy_NDX · 29-10-2013 12:01pm

krudler wrote: »

I'll admit I didn't get Demon's Souls, I never gave it enough time. Am absolutely loving this though, dying is a learning tool, yeah it can be annoying trudging back to an area to fight a boss again you just want to get back there but rushing it never ends well.
And 90% of the time if you die it's your own fault, I've cursed the controls for sending me rolling off ledges a few times alright but usually it's from rushing or not feeling out an enemy that gets you murdered. I don't really mind replaying sections as you're constantly bettering yourself and combat techniques or trying new weapons and tactics, going into new areas is fun too, shield up, check the corners, never assume anywhere is safe.

Yeah the lock on camera can and will screw you over a cliff on occasion. Most of my deaths come from 3 things.
1. Forgetting where I am and rolling off a cliff
2. A poorly timed strong attack
3. The worst one, being over confident and getting slapped down by the most basic enemies

The last one is a nice reminder to be patient even when you think you're a badass. And as for replaying areas, bar one or two places, you're never more than a couple of minutes from where you died anyway.

krudler · 29-10-2013 12:34pm

Tommy_NDX wrote: »

Yeah the lock on camera can and will screw you over a cliff on occasion. Most of my deaths come from 3 things.
1. Forgetting where I am and rolling off a cliff
2. A poorly timed strong attack
3. The worst one, being over confident and getting slapped down by the most basic enemies

The last one is a nice reminder to be patient even when you think you're a badass. And as for replaying areas, bar one or two places, you're never more than a couple of minutes from where you died anyway.

Big time, even bog standard hollows can be a problem if there's a bunch of them and you mistime an attack or get surrounded.

I have a pyromancer staff thingy but can't use spells, who do I buy those off of? do I need to join a new covenant or can I use them regardless?

Tommy_NDX · 29-10-2013 12:49pm

krudler wrote: »

Big time, even bog standard hollows can be a problem if there's a bunch of them and you mistime an attack or get surrounded.

I have a pyromancer staff thingy but can't use spells, who do I buy those off of? do I need to join a new covenant or can I use them regardless?

You need a pyromancy glove to use pyromancies. The easiest way to get one is from Laurentius, you can find him in a room next to the butcher lady in the depths. Tip: don't attack the barrels, roll through them.

And he sells different pyromancies too.

2smiggy · 29-10-2013 12:54pm

You can buy spells down the stairs from the firelink shire off a merchant in the cave/cage. for better spells you will need to get to sens fortress first. not to ruin anything for you but you will have to follow a few steps to get the best spells. there is also a few good ones in the additional content

krudler · 29-10-2013 1:01pm

Tommy_NDX wrote: »

You need a pyromancy glove to use pyromancies. The easiest way to get one is from Laurentius, you can find him in a room next to the butcher lady in the depths. Tip: don't attack the barrels, roll through them.

And he sells different pyromancies too.

That's where I'll be heading later to twat that bitch in the face for killing me before :mad:

danthefan · 29-10-2013 11:06pm

Tommy_NDX wrote: »

You need a pyromancy glove to use pyromancies. The easiest way to get one is from Laurentius, you can find him in a room next to the butcher lady in the depths. Tip: don't attack the barrels, roll through them.

And he sells different pyromancies too.

Well tbf the easiest way to get one is to start the game as a pyromancer!

Tommy_NDX · 30-10-2013 8:43am

danthefan wrote: »

Well tbf the easiest way to get one is to start the game as a pyromancer!

Good thinking, if he asks where to get a bow we'll tell him to restart as a hunter too.

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