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O'Gara poised to join Sexton at Racing Metro

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    #242
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Rightwing wrote: »
    What about the actors and bands like U2, should they pay nothing, because people will go to concerts, sell out a few hotels?

    This has nothing to do with the subject in hand.

    Since you mentioned it though, the above is nothing compared to contribution to regions in this country generated by the likes of Intel, Google, Apple and Microsoft. Ever been to Maynooth, Leixlip, Lucan, Celbridge before Intel set up? The effect of a corporation such as this upping sticks is unimaginably catastrophic.
    You can't have it every way.


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    #243
    chris85
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    So far off topic here. Popped in to have a look at thread and debate and multinationals and impact to economy. Move on I think!


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    #244
    irishbucsfan
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    totallegend wrote: »
    This was brought in by Charlie McCreevy, pretty much every scheme he brought in had one objective; garnering votes. SSIAs, decentralisation etc etc. The economics were generally an after-thought.

    The main economic benefit to the country from rugby is foreigners coming over for internationals, correct? The numbers arriving for Rabo and HC games is probably a lot lower by comparison.

    But you'd still have international games without the rebate, you'd just have the players coming home from England/France to play for the national team.

    There's a lot more than just foreigners coming over for rugby matches.

    But let's say that was it. How many international games are there in Ireland every year? 2/3 6N games and 2/3 AIs (which very few travel for).

    An awful lot more travel to Ireland for Rabo and H Cup games every season.

    But of course the rebates offer far more than just attracting tourism for the actual games. Keeping the best rugby players in Ireland is far more valuable than to our economy than just that.


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    #245
    Micky Dolenz
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    It makes sense to me and is a big reason why the provinces have tasted their fair share, and more, of success.

    If Munster werent making HC semi's and finals. We would not have seen the influx of new supporters. Seem applies to the other province. without the best players playing, there would have been far less supporters.


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    #246
    totallegend
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    There's a lot more than just foreigners coming over for rugby matches.

    But let's say that was it. How many international games are there in Ireland every year? 2/3 6N games and 2/3 AIs (which very few travel for).

    An awful lot more travel to Ireland for Rabo and H Cup games every season.

    But of course the rebates offer far more than just attracting tourism for the actual games. Keeping the best rugby players in Ireland is far more valuable than to our economy than just that.

    Do you think? I'm not sure how we'd go about proving/disproving it but I would have thought that for all but the occasional game, the numbers of travelling fans is negligible.

    You could also argue that, since the number of Irish people who go abroad for provincial games is probably higher than the number of foreigners who arrive, you would have to consider the amount of money leaving the economy and being spent in England and France by travelling Irish fans when assessing the overall benefit of the scheme.

    Right, that's my last post on it! (Particularly since I'm actually in favour of the tax rebate...)

    EDIT: But we can all agree that ROG would lose his rebate if he togs out for Racing?


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    #247
    Winters
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    You could argue that those away trips we all go on convince the foreign fans to visit Ireland for a rugby game.

    Tax rebates all round!


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    #248
    Rightwing
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I really don't think you understand the aim of the rebate and what it has done for rugby in the country to be honest. Especially judging by the examples you've given.

    Everyone knows it has done good for rugby.
    Everyone knows giving the horsing industry tax breaks was good for that industry
    Everyone knows giving tax breaks to film industry is good for the film industry
    Everyone knows giving breaks to any industry is good for that particular industry.

    My point is about the fairness of these breaks. The more people that are excluded from the tax net, means those that are left will be paying more.

    For instance
    Everyone knows giving the us the taxpayer tax breaks will also be good for the economy, we'll all have more to spend, people will be inclined to leave the welfare,,,,well why not give us the tax breaks then!


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    #249
    Larbre34
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Everyone knows it has done good for rugby.
    Everyone knows giving the horsing industry tax breaks was good for that industry
    Everyone knows giving tax breaks to film industry is good for the film industry
    Everyone knows giving breaks to any industry is good for that particular industry.

    My point is about the fairness of these breaks. The more people that are excluded from the tax net, means those that are left will be paying more.

    For instance
    Everyone knows giving the us the taxpayer tax breaks will also be good for the economy, we'll all have more to spend, people will be inclined to leave the welfare,,,,well why not give us the tax breaks then!

    Not really, such industries generate sporadic ancillary activity which in turn generates labour taxes and VAT. Those industries are small scale, relative to traditional secondary and tertiary sectors, without support they wouldnt sustain as they do and youd lose a whole lot in knock-on opportunities and the gap in revenues would be wider still than if the supports were not given


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    #250
    Rightwing
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Not really, such industries generate sporadic ancillary activity which in turn generates labour taxes and VAT. Those industries are small scale, relative to traditional secondary and tertiary sectors, without support they wouldnt sustain as they do and youd lose a whole lot in knock-on opportunities and the gap in revenues would be wider still than if the supports were not given

    But on the other hand, if you give tax breaks to the ordinary citizen, (instead of taxing them to the hilt) it will generate a massive multiplier effect across the economy as a whole. I would even hazard a guess that more people would be going to rugby matches!


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    #251
    sydthebeat
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    jesus lads, from ROG to macro economics?????


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    #252
    sydthebeat
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    But on the other hand, if you give tax breaks to the ordinary citizen, (instead of taxing them to the hilt) it will generate a massive multiplier effect across the economy as a whole. I would even hazard a guess that more people would be going to rugby matches!

    but anyway, the multiplier effect works opposite in recessionary times as people tend to hold onto disposable income a lot more. Which means less tax income equates to less governmental spending on public wages equates to less liquidity in the economy ;)


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    #253
    rrpc
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    I've read through all this stuff about the tax rebate and not one person has actually given the real reason for setting it up.

    It was done to provide professional sportspeople with a 'soft landing' after they retired. Given that most sportspeople stop participating (and earning) before the age of 40, the sudden loss of income without any prospect of a job outside sport (even graduates would have absolutely no work experience) can be catastrophic.

    Yes there are high profile guys who'll earn a decent living from punditry, but they are in the vast minority. Switching immediately to coaching a la ROG is also extremely rare, Bernard Jackman spent a few years in the AIL before heading to Grenoble.

    It's fair and it's right and yes other peripheral arguments can be made for it too.


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    #254
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    rrpc wrote: »
    I've read through all this stuff about the tax rebate and not one person has actually given the real reason for setting it up.

    It was done to provide professional sportspeople with a 'soft landing' after they retired. Given that most sportspeople stop participating (and earning) before the age of 40, the sudden loss of income without any prospect of a job outside sport (even graduates would have absolutely no work experience) can be catastrophic.

    Yes there are high profile guys who'll earn a decent living from punditry, but they are in the vast minority. Switching immediately to coaching a la ROG is also extremely rare, Bernard Jackman spent a few years in the AIL before heading to Grenoble.

    It's fair and it's right and yes other peripheral arguments can be made for it too.
    That's not the reason it was introduced at all. But it is another positive factor of it, absolutely.


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    #255
    who_me
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    jesus lads, from ROG to macro economics?????

    Back in my day... when we starting a topic, we stayed on topic until the sun went down and the cows came home; or else it was a padding!


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    #256
    Lelantos
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    who_me wrote: »
    Back in my day... when we starting a topic, we stayed on topic until the sun went down and the cows came home; or else it was a padding!

    Getting the word "paddling" wrong......

    That's a paddling!! ;)


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    #257
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    jesus lads, from ROG to macro economics?????

    ROG has a Masters in Business Economics :)

    (He has a BA is in Economics & Psychology - the psychology could come in very handy for a coach).


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    #258
    rrpc
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    That's not the reason it was introduced at all. But it is another positive factor of it, absolutely.
    If I said it was daylight outside, you'd contradict me IBF, it's starting to look like you're stalking me :eek:
    Minister McCreevy said the measures have been introduced as a reward for the contribution our sports stars make, as an acknowledgement for their relatively short careers and as encouragement for them to stay in Ireland.


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    #259
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    rrpc wrote: »
    If I said it was daylight outside, you'd contradict me IBF, it's starting to look like you're stalking me :eek:
    Well as long as you keep getting things wrong I'll be happy to correct you! :p

    It's not why they were brought in. As I said it's another positive to the rebate, but it was brought in after a period of lots of Irish internationals playing abroad. And it did help to change things.

    You said we nobody mentioned the real reason. I'm afraid keeping them in Ireland was one of the main reasons (actually THE main reason... Charlie was my TD!)... as your quote says!


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    #260
    rrpc
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Well as long as you keep getting things wrong I'll be happy to correct you! :p

    It's not why they were brought in. As I said it's another positive to the rebate, but it was brought in after a period of lots of Irish internationals playing abroad. And it did help to change things.

    You said we nobody mentioned the real reason. I'm afraid keeping them in Ireland was one of the main reasons (actually THE main reason... Charlie was my TD!)... as your quote says!
    Yep stalking...

    Three reasons given and the last one is the one you're saying was the main one. Please name all those internationals playing abroad and don't start with Roy Keane please :D


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    #261
    irishbucsfan
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    rrpc wrote: »
    Yep stalking...

    Three reasons given and the last one is the one you're saying was the main one. Please name all those internationals playing abroad and don't start with Roy Keane please :D

    Seriously? Keith Wood, Paul Wallace, Kevin Maggs, Conor O'Shea etc. Pretty much anyone who played for Ireland in the 90s!


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    #262
    Rightwing
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    rrpc wrote: »
    If I said it was daylight outside, you'd contradict me IBF, it's starting to look like you're stalking me :eek:

    I wonder what was McCreevy's excuse for giving the horsing industry the grants and breaks? JP & Magnier needs a few quid?


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    #263
    Benny Cake
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I wonder what was McCreevy's excuse for giving the horsing industry the grants and breaks? JP & Magnier needs a few quid?

    Ah here, give us a break mate....

    Politics forum that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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    #264
    .ak
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    Okay, I've let this go on in the hope it'd come full circle. It hasn't. Stick to the topic people. The finer points of tax rebates isn't the topic btw.


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    #265
    19543261
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    (Perhaps if we neatly envelope our off-topic discussion within brackets; like so.)

    A rugby ball.


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    #266
    iroced
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    Well well well I'm off 10 days and this comes out !!!

    A great news for top 14 anyway. Having ROG as a kicking coach is more than prestigious. Wisniewski is gonna work with 2 of the best 10 in Europe, he can only raise his game!

    Oh and maybe the whole Sexton/ROG "war" was just a fans/media bullsh*t ? I can't imagine Lorenzetti signing the 2 of them if a tenth of what I read about them is half-true...


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    #267
    who_me
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    Lelantos wrote: »
    Getting the word "paddling" wrong......

    That's a paddling!! ;)

    :o


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    #268
    Tox56
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    iroced wrote: »
    Well well well I'm off 10 days and this comes out !!!

    A great news for top 14 anyway. Having ROG as a kicking coach is more than prestigious. Wisniewski is gonna work with 2 of the best 10 in Europe, he can only raise his game!

    Oh and maybe the whole Sexton/ROG "war" was just a fans/media bullsh*t ? I can't imagine Lorenzetti signing the 2 of them if a tenth of what I read about them is half-true...

    They're good friends now, several players have come out and said that... BUT almost every player has qualified that by saying "after a rocky start" or something to that effect. Initially I don't think the fans/media were that far off the mark, seemed a fair bit of animosity, but that isn't an issue now. BOD said things cooled off when Sexton established himself as the clear first choice


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    #269
    CatFromHue
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    BOD said things cooled off when Sexton established himself as the clear first choice

    So only this season then! :D:D

    (I'm joking but it is kinda true actually)


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    #270
    Tox56
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    So only this season then! :D:D

    (I'm joking but it is kinda true actually)

    Yeah but you know what he meant, Sexton went through a rocky patch with his kicking and was dropped but at the same time I would have described him as 'first choice'. That doesn't make sense reading it back :p but i presume that was what BOD was talking about


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    #271
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Considering the move Sexton to 12 and bring on ROG at 10 was going on until this time last year it is actually only this season when Sexton has become the established first choice.

    Ah sure BOD's only stirring it up, he didn't even expect to be playing next season !!


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