Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

07-04-2013 07:02PM

I will say one thing for Labour at least there is a few challenging within the party, making a bit of noise and not just sitting at the back like sheep doing nothing like that FF crowd did voting for the bailout and the continuous backing of Cowen who they later hung out to dry like the utterly devious cowardly despicable shower they are. :mad:

Phoebas · 07-04-2013 07:02PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Maybe a party with the following ideals:

To provide the people of Ireland an alternative to the current model of governance which will ensure that election promises are kept and that the interests of the people of Ireland are the deciding factor in all decisions of the government.
To create the situation whereby the people of Ireland chose their own representatives via a consultative process in local communities, and are truly represented by their government.
To create the situation whereby the government of Ireland are truly accountable for their actions.
To create the situation whereby the current arrangement of political parties in opposition to each other and employing the party whip system to enforce the party line becomes obsolete.
To encourage the people of Irelandto organise a nationwide conversation on theissues facing Ireland and to work together to create proposals to solve the many problems facing Ireland and the Irish people.
To create the situation whereby proposals approved by the people are implemented as a matter of course.

Sounds good to me.

Sounds a bit vague to me. Do they (its DDI, right?) have a full set of actual policies, or is it all just vague, aspirational stuff, and populist stuff, like defaulting on our debts (apparently without consequence)?

07-04-2013 07:03PM

yermanoffthetv wrote: »

The poll is really disheartning. If 20% of people would even consider a party whos incompetence arrogence and downright criminal behaviour got us here in in the first place then theres very little hope for the future. If im back in Ireland for the next election itll be Direct Democracy or Libertas if they get around to forming a party. Ill use the rest of my vote on anyone except FF/FG/Labour and their cabal of sleasy lying cheating scum.

If I met someone who says their going to vote Finna Fail Id punch them in the face, lets face it theyre not going to loose any more brain cells from it.

And ill hold them down on the ground for you

michael999999 · 07-04-2013 07:18PM

Stephen kearon has put himself forward for selection for fianna fail. He's an old mate of dick roche, and gave him a great rate of 3250 for hosting he's website for a year.

I thought fianna fail were geting rid of the jobs for the boys?

Phoebas · 07-04-2013 07:26PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Stephen kearon has put himself forward for selection for fianna fail. He's an old mate of dermot ahern, and gave him a great rate of 3250 for hosting he's website for a year.

I thought fianna fail were geting rid of the jobs for the boys?

What site was it?

michael999999 · 07-04-2013 07:27PM

Phoebas wrote: »

What site was it?[/quot
Dick roches own site.

Forgot to mention he was also a special advisor to mr roche!

07-04-2013 07:37PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Stephen kearon has put himself forward for selection for fianna fail. He's an old mate of dick roche, and gave him a great rate of 3250 for hosting he's website for a year.

I thought fianna fail were geting rid of the jobs for the boys?

Ha ha oh yeah, new Fianna Fail now dont forget to state that

Conmaicne Mara · 07-04-2013 07:37PM

Looks to be a close run thing........

darkhorse · 07-04-2013 07:43PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Sounds a bit vague to me. Do they (its DDI, right?) have a full set of actual policies?

You tell me, as I'm pretty sure someone of your apparent intelligenge already checked out their website.

Phoebas · 07-04-2013 07:51PM

darkhorse wrote: »

You tell me, as I'm pretty sure someone of your apparent intelligenge already checked out their website.

They don't have much on their website, but they do say that they haven't put much effort into it because they were concentrating their efforts on the Meath ByElection.

I thought that since you are shilling for them you'd have a better idea.

Wacker The Attacker · 07-04-2013 07:56PM

Re-electing FF into government at the next general election will confirm the irish electorate as the morons that they are.

Markcheese · 07-04-2013 08:14PM

"I thought fianna fail were geting rid of the jobs for the boys?"
Did the boys who want to get the jobs tell you that... ??

To mix my sayings , a country tends to get the government they deserve/vote for... And fool me once shame on you, fool me over and over shame on me....

Chucky the tree · 07-04-2013 08:49PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Sounds a bit vague to me. Do they (its DDI, right?) have a full set of actual policies, or is it all just vague, aspirational stuff, and populist stuff, like defaulting on our debts (apparently without consequence)?

That's basically the beginning and end of it. Another new party who seem fairly useless to add to the rest of the current parties.

darkhorse · 07-04-2013 09:11PM

Phoebas wrote: »

They don't have much on their website, but they do say that they haven't put much effort into it because they were concentrating their efforts on the Meath ByElection.

I thought that since you are shilling for them you'd have a better idea.

How much more do they have to have on their website to let people know what they would like to be seen to be done for the good of the people of the country.
By the way, I'm not shilling for anyone (I thought it was an amusing analogy). I am just a guy that would like to see change, as opposed to the status quo, and DDI seem have some good ideas and suggestions, so why not give them a chance to see what they they can do. Can anyone actually inflict any more misery upon the population than what seems to be already in evidence.

mike65 · 07-04-2013 09:20PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Looks to be a close run thing........

Its worrying that 20% would like FF cabal of cowboys, chancers and spendthrifts running the country again.,

rolliepoley · 07-04-2013 09:26PM

Thats 20% all with the same hand shake, worrying indeed.

darkhorse · 07-04-2013 09:48PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

That's basically the beginning and end of it. Another new party who seem fairly useless to add to the rest of the current parties.

Sorry, Chucky, I did'nt realize that they had already been in government. I heard that they only launched as a party in November 2012.

darkhorse · 07-04-2013 09:50PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Sounds a bit vague to me.

Vague in comparison to what, FF/FG/Lab?

Lord TSC · 07-04-2013 09:59PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Maybe a party with the following ideals:

To provide the people of Ireland an alternative to the current model of governance which will ensure that election promises are kept and that the interests of the people of Ireland are the

To create the situation whereby the government of Ireland are truly accountable for their actions.

Sounds good to me.

Without being funny, these things don't need a reformation of how the government is run. It requires people to take some responsibility as well, and actually do something when they aren't happy about whats happening.

We, as a nation, protest nothing. We don't take to the streets and voice our annoyances in a way which actually shows we mean business. If you want to object to something the government is doing, organised a protest and get out onto the streets, each and every day until "justice" is served.

We don't need an alternative style of government. The problem isn't with the current election process. It's with a population who don't actually back up their rants online and in the papers with action. There's too many keyboard warriors who love a good rant and like to threaten people who vote in a way they don't like, but then don't walk the walk by actually doing something about their supposed grievances. The guy above who said he'd punch someone is laughable to be frank. How many people have sent contacted their TDs about failed promises and problems they have? How many are actually going about setting up these alternative options?

If you don't want people voting FF, don't make vague threats online. Don't act the online big-boy. Print leaflets, get out on the streets and to the doors, and campaign for someone you find is a better alternative. Get out and do something rather than moan about them online while refusing to offer a viable alternative.

Chucky the tree · 07-04-2013 10:03PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Sorry, Chucky, I did'nt realize that they had already been in government. I heard that they only launched as a party in November 2012.

They haven't been in government. A party doesn't need to be in Government before they can be called useless.

Phoebas · 07-04-2013 10:08PM

darkhorse wrote: »

How much more do they have to have on their website to let people know what they would like to be seen to be done for the good of the people of the country.
By the way, I'm not shilling for anyone (I thought it was an amusing analogy). I am just a guy that would like to see change, as opposed to the status quo, and DDI seem have some good ideas and suggestions, so why not give them a chance to see what they they can do. Can anyone actually inflict any more misery upon the population than what seems to be already in evidence.

The problem with DDI is that they lack a comprehensive set of well thought out policies.

They have one central idea - the referenda on important issues - which has some merit, but only in a very limited form, so it really isn't a solid basis for an entire new party. They should probably just be a campaigning organisation.

So they've bolted on a populist agenda around debt default, halting repossessions and halting privatisation, which is bound to attract disaffected voters who are pissed off with the current parties, but really has nothing to do with their central plank. On the one hand they are saying, 'let the people decide', on the other they are proposing a small set of very radical policies.

They will be very limited on how big they can get, because once they grow to any size, and once they have to put flesh on the bones of their policies, the splits will begin.

solas111 · 07-04-2013 10:42PM

mike65 wrote: »

Its worrying that 20% would like FF cabal of cowboys, chancers and spendthrifts running the country again.,

You're right and it's equally worrying that about the same percentage or more are happy with the chancers and cowboys who are running it now.

darkhorse · 07-04-2013 11:02PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

A party doesn't need to be in Government before they can be called useless.

Phoebas wrote: »

The problem with DDI is that they lack a comprehensive set of well thought out policies.

They have one central idea - the referenda on important issues - which has some merit, but only in a very limited form.

Perhaps you are both right, and we should just leave things as they are.

yermanoffthetv · 08-04-2013 04:21AM

Phoebas wrote: »

The problem with DDI is that they lack a comprehensive set of well thought out policies.

They will be very limited on how big they can get, because once they grow to any size, and once they have to put flesh on the bones of their policies, the splits will begin.

As opposed to who exactly? Enda and his 5 point plans? FF are exactly the same. SF/ULA are on cloudcookoo land. At least DDI will give the people the chance to have a say. The public will also have to take some responsibility for their actions then also which i welcome.

Phoebas · 08-04-2013 06:55AM

yermanoffthetv wrote: »

As opposed to who exactly? Enda and his 5 point plans? FF are exactly the same. SF/ULA are on cloudcookoo land. At least DDI will give the people the chance to have a say. The public will also have to take some responsibility for their actions then also which i welcome.

If you read their website, they don't intend to give us a say at all.

They say they want to have referenda on the big issues, but they will also default on our bailout debt pending the results of even a legal review, without a referendum first.

For Forks Sake · 08-04-2013 09:52AM

Phoebas wrote: »

If you read their website, they don't intend to give us a say at all.

They say they want to have referenda on the big issues, but they will also default on our bailout debt pending the results of even a legal review, without a referendum first.

Here's some other light reading on DDI and their glorious leader.
https://peopleforeconomicjustice.com/, formerly FreedomFromAllDebt.com mostly freeman guff. Seems to paint Gilroy as some sort of superhero.

Finally, can some of the shills for DDI on here (of which there seem to be a few) please, please explain why the leader of DDI was on stage with the Quinn family at the pro-Quinn rallies in Cavan? Pic: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wvAHObVu7Jc/UUNywy5FrtI/AAAAAAAAAGs/xI3dEl4VnCw/s280/Quinn-Gilroy.jpg

For Forks Sake · 08-04-2013 09:58AM

and here's Freeman Gilroy issuing some home-made summonses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=086U_Kb01Os

tayto lover · 08-04-2013 11:26AM

michael999999 wrote: »

Stephen kearon has put himself forward for selection for fianna fail. He's an old mate of dick roche, and gave him a great rate of 3250 for hosting he's website for a year.

I thought fianna fail were geting rid of the jobs for the boys?

Indeed. But jobs for the boys, cronyism and nepotism is rife in Fine Gael and Labour too it seems.

http://bigginsblog.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/the-cronyism-nepotism-continues-no-change-then-from-fianna-fail/

Jesus Irish politics sickens me. None of them are honest it seems.

yermanoffthetv · 08-04-2013 04:26PM

Phoebas and For Forks Sake, I assume you both are Fianna Fail supporters right? If not could you clarify who you do support.

For Forks Sake drop the "shills" crap, people are sick of the current gombeen system and want something different where they at least have some input as to how they are governed. The mainstream parties have shown they cannot be trusted and will lie through their teeth while ignoring the the wishes and well being of the people who elected them. DDI are not perfect by any means but theyre the first group to make a meaningful contribution to reforming the Irish political system. Anything to bring more transparency to politics and liberty to the people is welcome in my book.

suicide_circus · 08-04-2013 04:33PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I hate to say it, I'd support a new Labour along the lines you're suggesting but not with Roisin Shorthall. If there's one thing I absolutely can't stand it's the nanny state policies which are endemic in Ireland. We already have a situation in which garden fireworks are completely illegal and bodybuilding supplements which can be bought over the counter in NI require a f*cking prescription in the Republic - not a chance in hell will I support anyone who seeks to implement an anti alcohol policy which inconveniences the vast majority of responsible drinkers while probably doing little to deter the alcoholics. I refer, of course, to minimum pricing.

What we need in this country is a party which is labour-left wing economically speaking BUT is libertarian socially. In other words, a party which will indeed protect workers and the less well off, but when it comes to banning things and generally restricting people's freedom of choice in terms of living their lives, will leave us the hell alone.

Kind of the opposite of the Republican party in the US. I want centre-left economic policies, with civil liberty and freedom of choice to be almost completely open. Currently there is no such party in Ireland - if you vote for the left, you also get the nanny state, and if you vote for civil libertarians you also get f*cking political cronyism and "Screw the ordinary irishman as long as my friends in Anglo don't lose a single penny of their money".

To sum up, we need an entirely new party or our society is bollocksed.

Agree with most of that. Might.be a little further right
The liberty you speak of should be extended somewhat to tax payers in so far as they should not be milked in order to sustain those who refuse to work.

Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

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