Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

hooradiation · 05-04-2013 10:02AM

CdeC wrote: »

We should all vote independents.

But not the crazy bible bashing kind. The honest regular kind that don't have a personal business agenda to attend to.

To quote a philosopher king:

Go ahead, throw your vote away!
- Kang et al (1996). Treehouse of Horror VII. Springfield: Fox.

Phoebas · 05-04-2013 10:09AM

CdeC wrote: »

We should all vote independents.

But not the crazy bible bashing kind. The honest regular kind that don't have a personal business agenda to attend to.

unstable government ftw.

CdeC · 05-04-2013 11:04AM

Srianadh wrote: »

Also, can you imagine how a Dáil full of independents would work........because I can't! We'd be having elections every other month when the whole thing kept crashing down. Under or current constitution, political parties are a necessary evil.

This is what they'd have you believe my brainwashed brethren. But seriously I think we need a real shake up of politics in this country. The middle class are getting screwed and noone has answered for the banking crisis. In fact people are still getting bonuses....for being **** at their job. It just doesn't make sense.
The goverment should represent the people, not the economic interests of the financial sector.
We need a revolution, something different.

Srianadh · 05-04-2013 11:43AM

CdeC wrote: »

This is what they'd have you believe my brainwashed brethren. But seriously I think we need a real shake up of politics in this country. The middle class are getting screwed and noone has answered for the banking crisis. In fact people are still getting bonuses....for being **** at their job. It just doesn't make sense.
The goverment should represent the people, not the economic interests of the financial sector.
We need a revolution, something different.

Brainwashed? Keep your condescension to yourself ffs! We don't need brainwashing when all we have to do is to look at the "Technical Group" in the Dáil right now that's disintegrating before our eyes and a ULA that's more concerned with in fighting than looking our for the little guy during the big economic mess.

Keep your rhetoric for uneducated eejits that can't face reality. There is no political party out there at present that represents me but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for a Jackie Healy-Rea character in some vain attempt to try demonstrate how intellectually superior I am rather than face the reality of the situation, suck it up and try choose the least bad candidate on the ballot. God if I thought I'd do a better job (honestly, I don't. I wouldn't even know where to start going about getting elected for a start) I'd run.

I'm not going to blindly chastise anyone who puts themselves forward and then condescend those who don't heap praise on me when I express same ill-informed opinion. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and we're both entitled to question each others but dismissing someone as "brainwashed" because they don't agree with you? Cop yourself on!

It equally annoys me when I read comments on poll where, say party X are on 25% and people make comments like "well we know what 25% of the population need to be sectioned". The intolerance is outstanding from people who then, later, try to claim that they're liberals. They give us true liberals a bad name. I can disagree and debate with you if you don't share my view however I'll never once undermine your view as long as you've formed it yourself (and are not just regurgitating an editorial opinion piece as 'fact')

darkhorse · 05-04-2013 12:56PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's not relevant whether I agree with them or not.

Au contraire, Chucky. It is very relevant, as a voter, whether or not you agree with them. You see, this, in my opinion, is a lot of what is wrong in the country, and that is people thinking that their views are not relevant.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-04-2013 02:06PM

FF 4 Eva wrote: »

I will definitely be voting Fianna Fail. The current government has done nothing to help the economy and they have ruined our chances at recovery. I believe we should stop been so stubborn over the last term and give Fianna Fail another chance to fix things. We'll be truly grateful to them for it if we do.

FF 4 Eva wrote: »

This is simply not true, explain to me then why it has always been a FF government that presided over a boom, whereas when we've had FG and Labour in, there is also stagnation?

Exactly what makes you think this? What policies or ideas have the come up with that you think will get things going again?

The problem with FF people I know (in real life as weel as on here) is that they support the party like an child cupports a football team: it's purely a name you "follow" with no real idea as to why.

Sarky · 05-04-2013 02:35PM

I would not consider voting for Fianna Fail because I am not a f*cking moron.

Chucky the tree · 05-04-2013 02:44PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Au contraire, Chucky. It is very relevant, as a voter, whether or not you agree with them. You see, this, in my opinion, is a lot of what is wrong in the country, and that is people thinking that their views are not relevant.

It's only relevant in a my interest o voting for them. Which would rule it out. If I was voting for a party on o argue for referendum decision making I' expect them to run on that platform only. Not on that, plus lots of other ideas. Seems to defeat the purpose of letting the people decide.

darkhorse · 05-04-2013 02:48PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's only relevant in a my interest o voting for them. Which would rule it out. If I was voting for a party on o argue for referendum decision making I' expect them to run on that platform only. Not on that, plus lots of other ideas. Seems to defeat the purpose of letting the people decide.

OK, I respect you view.

Srianadh · 05-04-2013 03:47PM

Sarky wrote: »

I would not insider voting for Fianna Fail because I am not a f*cking moron.

Where as I've stated that I currently would not consider voting for FF given the fact that their policy positions are yet to convince me and a number of their senior personnel still annoy me I find this attitude wholly rubbish also. People give out about (rightly) others who support parties like football teams however the above is an extension of that exact same attitude. There are no absolutes in Irish politics. Examples include, Sinn Féin were abstentionists but now sit in the Oireachtas, Fianna Fáil was the party of the working class but gave into vested interests, Fine Gael was the law and order party but are heavily implicated in the single biggest fraud case against the state in history (Moriarty Tribunal).

As I stated above there are a number of policy changes and personnel changes that'd have to happen before I'd vote FF however attitudes of "they're all the same", "that crowd are nothing but......" and "what's the point in voting anyway" are at the route cause of the apathy that's stagnating political progression in Ireland.

Sarky · 05-04-2013 04:05PM

I didn't mention any absolutes. Fianna fail screwed up spectacularly, and have made no efforts at reforming. Until they do ( and we're talking a completely new set of leaders with no shady connections or proven incompetence at the very least), it's stupid to vote for people with a track record of corruption and stupidity and self-interest. I don't know if any of the alternatives are just as bad. I'm willing to give them a chance first. If they screw up, I'll stop voting for them. Maybe, just maybe, enough people will do the same and show politicians that they need to be less despicable, and things might just improve slowly. You're not going to get a white knight charging in and righting all wrongs in one election.

Or you could believe all this "but baby I've changed since last week!" crap and vote for the same guy who was f*cking you over so recently. I'd like to think people have slightly longer memories than that, but then I've always been an optimist.

suicide_circus · 05-04-2013 04:24PM

I would consider it in maybe 40 years time when all current members are dead and only then if i had solid evidence that they had ended their gangster ways.

patmac · 05-04-2013 04:55PM

I always voted FF up until the last election when I voted FG and look what happened. If a General Election was called in the morning I would not vote for any of the major parties.
This country is wide open for a new party like this one in Iceland that elected Jon Gnarr.
http://twistedsifter.com/2012/11/jon-gnarr-mayor-reykjavik-world-most-interesting/

kevmy85 · 05-04-2013 05:20PM

patmac wrote: »

I always voted FF up until the last election when I voted FG and look what happened. If a General Election was called in the morning I would not vote for any of the major parties.
This country is wide open for a new party like this one in Iceland that elected Jon Gnarr.
http://twistedsifter.com/2012/11/jon-gnarr-mayor-reykjavik-world-most-interesting/

Can I ask you what you expected to happen when they voted for FG? I can understand people bashing Labour as they overreached and promised too much. And as the junior partner in Government they get less of their policies implemented.

But surely FG are pretty much doing what they said they'd do. Voting FF out - as worthwhile as that was - wasn't going to cure things overnight.

michael999999 · 05-04-2013 07:48PM

Only if after I vote for them I could give bertie and martin a kick in the balls!

tombozo · 05-04-2013 08:30PM

Not if they were the only party up for election.

tayto lover · 06-04-2013 01:06PM

patmac wrote: »

I always voted FF up until the last election when I voted FG and look what happened. If a General Election was called in the morning I would not vote for any of the major parties.
This country is wide open for a new party like this one in Iceland that elected Jon Gnarr.
http://twistedsifter.com/2012/11/jon-gnarr-mayor-reykjavik-world-most-interesting/

This country is certainly ready for a new party. We need one.

I think a "New Labour" will be formed which will revert back to their original policies of protecting the workers and less well off.

The present Labour have sold out and ditched their core values for their 5 minutes in the sun and like Fianna Fail their traditional voters will not return until they are history or a new crowd take over.

The foundations are there with Shortall, Keaveney and now Childers and their is a rising tide of dissension within it seems.

Pherekydes · 06-04-2013 01:41PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Can anyone see FF and FG going into government together in the near future? Can you imagine the power of such a political machine, we wouldn't need any of the other parties anymore.:pac: muh haw haw

They'd be able to fúck up the place and get away with it by accusing Labour and the left of not "opposing" them stoutly enough while in opposition.

And ye know, the cretins would lap it up...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-04-2013 02:27PM

tayto lover wrote: »

This country is certainly ready for a new party. We need one.

I think a "New Labour" will be formed which will revert back to their original policies of protecting the workers and less well off.

The present Labour have sold out and ditched their core values for their 5 minutes in the sun and like Fianna Fail their traditional voters will not return until they are history or a new crowd take over.

The foundations are there with Shortall, Keaveney and now Childers and their is a rising tide of dissension within it seems.

Yeah, but in ten years they'd be doign what Labour are doing now and people would be calling for new new labour. And ten years afte that we'll need a new new new labour.

Grayson · 06-04-2013 02:35PM

FF 4 Eva wrote: »

This is simply not true, explain to me then why it has always been a FF government that presided over a boom, whereas when we've had FG and Labour in, there is also stagnation?

When was this? because the last depression this country was started by a FF government in the 80's. Charlie told everyone they were spending too much and then he bought an island.

the last boom we had was caused by policies initiated by the rainbow coalition which FF weren't part of. They just came along at the beginning and took credit for it. They mismanaged it so badly that we're in the worst depression in nearly 100 years and haver spent billions bailing out their friends.

Taxburden carrier · 06-04-2013 02:40PM

Should this thread not be in the Zombie Survival forum ?

tayto lover · 06-04-2013 03:55PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yeah, but in ten years they'd be doign what Labour are doing now and people would be calling for new new labour. And ten years afte that we'll need a new new new labour.

I think that unlike FF they actually might learn a lesson.

Ulysses Gaze · 06-04-2013 09:46PM

There is a case to say that Fianna fail are renewed, the old politics are gone, and that there is a new younger breed coming through.

I have a nice beachfront condo in Arizona to sell you.

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long range shooter · 07-04-2013 04:49AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Just checked their website. They seem comically bad. I thought they were running on a system of referendums where the people decide, so I was surprised to see this on their front page.

The icing on the cake was seeing that Ireland and Norway oil video, ugh.

Not the most realistic movie i have seen:eek:

hatrickpatrick · 07-04-2013 05:19AM

I hate to say it, I'd support a new Labour along the lines you're suggesting but not with Roisin Shorthall. If there's one thing I absolutely can't stand it's the nanny state policies which are endemic in Ireland. We already have a situation in which garden fireworks are completely illegal and bodybuilding supplements which can be bought over the counter in NI require a f*cking prescription in the Republic - not a chance in hell will I support anyone who seeks to implement an anti alcohol policy which inconveniences the vast majority of responsible drinkers while probably doing little to deter the alcoholics. I refer, of course, to minimum pricing.

What we need in this country is a party which is labour-left wing economically speaking BUT is libertarian socially. In other words, a party which will indeed protect workers and the less well off, but when it comes to banning things and generally restricting people's freedom of choice in terms of living their lives, will leave us the hell alone.

Kind of the opposite of the Republican party in the US. I want centre-left economic policies, with civil liberty and freedom of choice to be almost completely open. Currently there is no such party in Ireland - if you vote for the left, you also get the nanny state, and if you vote for civil libertarians you also get f*cking political cronyism and "Screw the ordinary irishman as long as my friends in Anglo don't lose a single penny of their money".

To sum up, we need an entirely new party or our society is bollocksed.

darkhorse · 07-04-2013 04:19PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I hate to say it, I'd support a new Labour along the lines you're suggesting but not with Roisin Shorthall. If there's one thing I absolutely can't stand it's the nanny state policies which are endemic in Ireland. We already have a situation in which garden fireworks are completely illegal and bodybuilding supplements which can be bought over the counter in NI require a f*cking prescription in the Republic - not a chance in hell will I support anyone who seeks to implement an anti alcohol policy which inconveniences the vast majority of responsible drinkers while probably doing little to deter the alcoholics. I refer, of course, to minimum pricing.

What we need in this country is a party which is labour-left wing economically speaking BUT is libertarian socially. In other words, a party which will indeed protect workers and the less well off, but when it comes to banning things and generally restricting people's freedom of choice in terms of living their lives, will leave us the hell alone.

Kind of the opposite of the Republican party in the US. I want centre-left economic policies, with civil liberty and freedom of choice to be almost completely open. Currently there is no such party in Ireland - if you vote for the left, you also get the nanny state, and if you vote for civil libertarians you also get f*cking political cronyism and "Screw the ordinary irishman as long as my friends in Anglo don't lose a single penny of their money".

To sum up, we need an entirely new party or our society is bollocksed.

Maybe a party with the following ideals:

To provide the people of Ireland an alternative to the current model of governance which will ensure that election promises are kept and that the interests of the people of Ireland are the deciding factor in all decisions of the government.
To create the situation whereby the people of Ireland chose their own representatives via a consultative process in local communities, and are truly represented by their government.
To create the situation whereby the government of Ireland are truly accountable for their actions.
To create the situation whereby the current arrangement of political parties in opposition to each other and employing the party whip system to enforce the party line becomes obsolete.
To encourage the people of Irelandto organise a nationwide conversation on theissues facing Ireland and to work together to create proposals to solve the many problems facing Ireland and the Irish people.
To create the situation whereby proposals approved by the people are implemented as a matter of course.

Sounds good to me.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-04-2013 05:56PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

They'd be able to fúck up the place and get away with it by accusing Labour and the left of not "opposing" them stoutly enough while in opposition.

And ye me5know, the cretins would lap it up...

But what if Labour or any party didn't exist anymore. What about the FF/FG alliance 0ominating, people are slowv and stupid they/ve righrht vote

Manc-Red · 07-04-2013 06:40PM

I think we all know someone close to home who has lost their b**lox because of their antics....

I wouldn't feel right voting for them again.

07-04-2013 06:57PM

Absolutely no way should 'new' (:rolleyes:) FF with the likes of Willie O'Dea and Micheal Martin get anywhere in this country ever again.

To be honest i would love new people coming forward with all new ideas and all new parties and perhaps a brand new constitution to go with it. Rid ourselves of the rotten stench of what has gone on in this country in the times gone by. A state free of the stranglehold of FF, FG, etc, and the Catholic church would be just the ticket. Ill probably never see it but i can dream at least.

yermanoffthetv · 07-04-2013 07:01PM

The poll is really disheartning. If 20% of people would even consider a party whos incompetence arrogence and downright criminal behaviour got us here in in the first place then theres very little hope for the future. If im back in Ireland for the next election itll be Direct Democracy or Libertas if they get around to forming a party. Ill use the rest of my vote on anyone except FF/FG/Labour and their cabal of sleasy lying cheating scum.

If I met someone who says their going to vote Finna Fail Id punch them in the face, lets face it theyre not going to loose any more brain cells from it.

Would you consider voting a Majority Fianna fail for the next government?

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