(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

afatbollix · 03-04-2013 12:35PM

Can we change the thread title to 'Man kills 5 of his kids in a fire'?

Its not like it lost them down the back of his couch.

daysleeper · 03-04-2013 12:38PM

6, not 5.

Edit: Just watched a mini-documentary on the skynews website called Deadly Betrayal: The Philpott Trial, 20 minutes long, if anyone's interested: http://news.sky.com/story/1072962/derby-fire-philpotts-guilty-of-child-deaths

I'd prefer to watch BBC1's Panorama special from last night but I can't get iPlayer here.

conorhal · 03-04-2013 12:39PM

old hippy wrote: »

And how disgusting to parade your glee around the boards. It is tragic, in every way. And tragic how you would use it to support your own agenda.

Try harder.

Pot.... kettle....black.....

old hippy · 03-04-2013 12:42PM

conorhal wrote: »

Pot.... kettle....black.....

Nope, just being consistent. There's an inherent snobbery and disdain towards families who claim benefits and a tragic case like this is manna from heaven to some who would have all families portrayed as monsters.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 03-04-2013 12:47PM

old hippy wrote: »

Disappointing, Wiley.

What good would it do? It won't deter anyone and it's an easy way out for the perps.

Come down off the high horse and try and understand how people are upset over the crime this scum has commited. Mr Wiliey has shown that six childern being burnt to death by an animal like shameless Mick is enough for him to see that some people are beyond rehabilation.

old hippy · 03-04-2013 12:50PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Come down off the high horse and try and understand how people are upset over the crime this scum has commited. Mr Wiliey has shown that six childern being burnt to death by an animal like shameless Mick is enough for him to see that some people are beyond rehabilation.

So upset they post torture porn and behave like animals on these pages?

Yeah, cry me a river, GMT :rolleyes:

Grand Moff Tarkin · 03-04-2013 12:52PM

old hippy wrote: »

So upset they post torture porn and behave like animals on these pages?

Yeah, cry me a river, GMT :rolleyes:

I would cry a river for the poor kids that were murdered. Yet it seems you are more upset over what a few of the good posters on here would like to see happen to the evil B*****d when he is locked away.

conorhal · 03-04-2013 12:54PM

old hippy wrote: »

Nope, just being consistent. There's an inherent snobbery and disdain towards families who claim benefits and a tragic case like this is manna from heaven to some who would have all families portrayed as monsters.

Consistantly hypocritical,
I don't believe for a second your primary concern is anything other then an opportunity to dominate others with your faux moral superiority.
I have no problem with families that claim benefits, but I have a real problem with the lumpen prolitatiat (Marx's words, not mine) for whom it's a lifestyle, as tipified by the Philpott's of this world. It's the mollycoddling of these 'monsters', who have been created by the kind of ideological gibberish you promote, that I have a very REAL problem with. A problem you no doubt deny exists.

old hippy · 03-04-2013 01:01PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

I would cry a river for the poor kids that were murdered. Yet it seems you are more upset over what a few of the good posters on here would like to see happen to the evil B*****d when he is locked away.

Yeah, clearly I don't give a damn that these murders happened :rolleyes:

Do you really need me in the baying mob, GMF? Haven't you got enough pitchforks and rowdies yet?

old hippy · 03-04-2013 01:03PM

conorhal wrote: »

Consistantly hypocritical,
I don't believe for a second your primary concern is anything other then an opportunity to dominate others with your faux moral superiority.
I have no problem with families that claim benefits, but I have a real problem with the lumpen prolitatiat (Marx's words, not mine) for whom it's a lifestyle, as tipified by the Philpott's of this world. It's the mollycoddling of these 'monsters', who have been created by the kind of ideological gibberish you promote, that I have a very REAL problem with. A problem you no doubt deny exists.

Ah, so it's all down to the likes of me, eh? :rolleyes:

I don't agree with people who abuse the system, no, of course not. But I don't wish to demonise them and use this horrible case and that man as some kind of poster boy for your cause.

So spare me your crocodile tears.

wordsmithi · 03-04-2013 01:45PM

Philpott was convicted for attacking a partner with a knife about thirty five years ago. The poor woman is still taking medication because of the terrible injuries inflicted on her. He is an extreme case and a horrible man. It is awful that some people like him breed like rabbits and inflict misery, violence and fear into the lives of their partners, and children and are lazy, control freaks. He makes it hard for those who are vulnerable and genuinely need benefit assistance. This is another very sad, disturbing aspect to this case apart from main tragedy - the loss of six innocent, precious lives. May they rest in peace.

Queen-Mise · 03-04-2013 02:10PM

token101 wrote: »

I doubt he'll get more than 10 years, and I'd guess 6-7 to be honest.

It would be nice if the sentences ran consecutively and not concurrently.

Thrill · 03-04-2013 02:35PM

Derby house fire sentencing adjourned until tomorrow so judge can "reflect further" on the sentences.

BBC

suicide_circus · 03-04-2013 02:46PM

Thread title should be amended. Change "loses" to "kills".

LindowMan · 03-04-2013 03:09PM

I'll bet a tenner that the woman gets off lightly and gets a daft sentence like 5 years.

LindowMan · 03-04-2013 03:14PM

seamus wrote: »

He'd be better off getting 20 years for his own safety tbh.

My bet is that he'll become one of the 50-odd prisoners in the UK who are to stay in jail till they die, a punishment which is the replacement for the death penalty (which should be brought back). He'll be joining the like of Huntley, Brady and the Yorkshire Ripper.

Thrill · 03-04-2013 03:16PM

LindowMan wrote: »

I'll bet a tenner that the woman gets off lightly and gets a daft sentence like 5 years.

BBC reporter at the court house earlier....

The judge, Dame Justice Kate Thirlwall, says she is troubled by how Mick Philpott treated the women in his life.

Mairead's barrister Shaun Smith QC says his client was "an extremely good mother to all 11 children. No one can dispute the grief she feels"

Shaun Smith QC appeals for a shorter rather than a longer sentence. "The fact she will never see her children again will be her real sentence."

LindowMan · 03-04-2013 03:19PM

Thrill wrote: »

BBC reporter at the court house earlier....

That was her defence lawyer who said that. So that's no surprise.

But anyone who thinks a women who used to send her children to bed in their school uniform and gave them nothing more than a bit of bread and a few chips to eat everyday, and was then seen laughing and joking outside the mortuary whilst her children were lying on cold, hard slabs inside is a good mother seriously needs to take a good, long look at themselves.

Thrill · 03-04-2013 03:27PM

LindowMan wrote: »

That was her defence lawyer who said that. So that's no surprise.

I meant to bold the first sentence in that post. The judge said she was troubled by the treatment of the women in Philpotts life, which could indicate she is considering a lighter sentence in her case.

LindowMan · 03-04-2013 03:31PM

Thrill wrote: »

I meant to bold the first sentence in that post. The judge said she was troubled by the treatment of the women in Philpotts life, which could indicate she is considering a lighter sentence.

She shouldn't get a light sentence. She played as much a part in this as Mick Philpott did and then when her children died she had no remorse whatsoever. She just didn't seem bothered at all.

And Mick Philpott's defence lawyer said similar things about him. His defence lawyer said he was a "very good father".

She deserves life in prison just as much as he does, but as a woman she will be treated less harshly, as usual.

Thrill · 03-04-2013 03:38PM

LindowMan wrote: »

She shouldn't get a light sentence. She played as much a part in this as Mick Philpott did and then when her children died she had no remorse whatsoever. She just didn't seem bothered at all.

And Mick Philpott's defence lawyer said similar things about him. His defence lawyer said he was a "very good father".

She deserves life in prison just as much as he does, but as a woman she will be treated less harshly, as usual.

You said you'd bet a tenner that she'd get a light sentence. I'm merely pointing out that, based on what the judge said, that you could be right.

wil · 03-04-2013 03:58PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Can someone give me a brief synopsis?

"Evil and stupid" is how a policeman described it.

He wasn't a product of the welfare state, he was simply a self serving user and abuser of it.

Duwayne, Jade, John, Jack, Jesse, Jayden (aged 5) RIP

Thrill · 03-04-2013 04:24PM

Philpott, Mairead and Paul Mosley will now be at 10.30 tomorrow morning.

If the level of hatred I've read directed against these three is anything to go by, then they'll probably have to be segregated from the rest of the prison population.

Clandestine · 03-04-2013 04:28PM

They'll get a light slap on the wrist, only a few years at the most for what they did.

White trash scumbags

Lollipops23 · 03-04-2013 04:31PM

Clandestine wrote: »

They'll get a light slap on the wrist, only a few years at the most for what they did.

White trash scumbags

I don't know...the more that comes out about them, the worse it gets. He'll need a whole new identity afterwards if it's a light sentence- the British public are baying for their blood (understandably). Doubt he's smart enough to keep a cover anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he kills himself or gets killed in prison.

Latchy · 03-04-2013 04:32PM

The wife comes across as docile with some sort of mental imperment but she could have put her childrens safety first before that tosser started the fire ...saying she was under his control just isin't good enough.

Philpotts first piority when he gets to jail won't be of regret and remorse but to see how much he can manipilate the rules and regulations to his advantage .If ever an arrogant ,evil man needed a good hiding ( to put it mildly ) it's this fcuker .

mathepac · 03-04-2013 04:33PM

LH Pathe wrote: »

A murder charge in these circumstances paints a picture of the worst possible english family image so in finding no reason to not do so they must be on to something... ...

A lot of the people in and around the extended Philpott "family" (as in Charles Manson "family") seem to be Irish or 1st generation English so maybe your outrage of 11 months ago might be diminished with this "new" information.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 03-04-2013 04:38PM

mathepac wrote: »

A lot of the people in and around the extended Philpott "family" (as in Charles Manson "family") seem to be Irish or 1st generation English so maybe your outrage of 11 months ago might be diminished with this "new" information.

The same family who clapped and cheered when the guilty verdict was announced in court you forgot to add.

Lollipops23 · 03-04-2013 04:40PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

The same family who clapped and cheered when the guilty verdict was announced in court you forgot to add.

And the mother's sisters tried to get her to leave with the kids, as well as taking the kids out so they could get something to eat.

They may not be the perfect family, but at least they tried in some small way to help the kids out.

How on earth in this day and age do kids be allowed almost starve? They weren't being looked after, but were all school going age. Why was this blatant neglect not flagged?

Latchy · 03-04-2013 04:46PM

MidlandsM wrote: »

I was bemused at how Philpot and his wife said in secret recording how the couldn't figure out how the fire caught hold so quick and spread..........fcuking thicks.........Petrol (an accellerant), on a man made carpet, at the base of a upvc front door, at the base of a stairwell.........ignorant vermin scum.....

In the truest sense of the word it's his and her ' Stupidity ' which stands out more than anything ,setting fire to the house the night before the court proceedings for custody of his other 5 kids while not allowing for evidence at the scene , such as petrol on the clothes or proper disposel of the plastic petrol container which to put it mildly, shows how dense and thick he and her were about the whole plot .

Lollipops23 wrote: »

How on earth in this day and age do kids be allowed almost starve? They weren't being looked after, but were all school going age. Why was this blatant neglect not flagged?

How social workers didn't investigate the family after Philpotts appearence on jeremy Kyle is a mystery and says more about how fcuking stupid the system is .

(UK) Man loses 5 of his kids in a fire

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