Nokia Lumia 800

BostonB wrote: »

S2 is much better phone. But they are at completely different price points.

How is it much better? Ignoring the app ecosystem, which isn't really relevant for a lot of people who just want internet, facebook and a good camera.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Your 13 year old will only care about facebook and whatsapp anyway.

That's very untrue. Once the next Temple Run/Angry Birds/Draw Something comes out and doesn't hit WP7, your kids will let you know. Believe me.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

All on Windows Phone.

You're missing my point.

Temple Run is not available on Windows Phone.

Angry Birds arrived months after it was popular on windows phone.

And Draw Something only arrived last week. Everyone with Android and iOS I know were playing the hell out of it when it was first out, now none of them do.


Getting popular apps onto Windows Phone isnt the problem, the problem is getting popular apps onto Windows Phone WHILE they're still popular.

BostonB wrote: »

microSD, up to 32GB
4.3 inches vs 3.7
Will get latest OS
Front 2mp camera
1080p@30fps video capture
Dual-core 1.2 vs single core 1.4
microUSB v2.0 (MHL), USB On-the-go
Li-Ion 1650 mAh vs Li-Ion 1450 mAh
Bluetooth v3.0 vs 2.1
1 GB RAM vs 512mb


In general terms the camera and sound quality get much poorer reviews on the 800 than the S2. That said its fine for a mid priced phone. But not a top priced phone.

But under 200 the 800 is a great deal and personally I think the GUI is much better than Android. The S2 is a 400+ phone though.

microSD, up to 32GB - Most people are perfectly happy with 16gb
4.3 inches vs 3.7 - Size isn't everything
Will get latest OS - I wouldn't bank on this until it actually happens
Front 2mp camera - For all the video calling that everyone does? Again, not really a selling point
1080p@30fps video capture - I'll give you this
Dual-core 1.2 vs single core 1.4 - WP7 doesn't need dual core to run silky smooth.
microUSB v2.0 (MHL), USB On-the-go - MHL is all well and good but haven't ever had anyone asking me about it. The USB drive is handy alright.
Li-Ion 1650 mAh vs Li-Ion 1450 mAh - How long is a piece of string? Doesn't really matter in terms of average use. You still get the full day, you still have to charge it every night.
Bluetooth v3.0 vs 2.1 - What's the difference? Ask that to 10 people, and if one person tells you, without searching, I'll be shocked.
1 GB RAM vs 512mb - Again, WP7 doesn't need as much RAM.

This is based on nearly 8 years of selling phones, and selling smartphones since the HTC Hero became the first Android phone on sale in Ireland. Most people don't give a rats about specs, they want a phone that can do internet, email, facebook, twitter, has good space for music and had a good camera. Apps are secondary to those for the most part.

Yeah, Windows Phone needs a bit of work but you have to bear in mind that it's only 2 years old. Android and iOS are 5+ years old. When developers who work on Windows with C++ etc can now develop for WP8 with very little work, it will explode, in terms of apps available. Yes, Android and iOS are more popular, but that doesn't make them better.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I dislike when people call specs. You can't say that a 4.3in screen is better than a 3.7in. It's dependent on the person. Android phones have more memory, because they *need* more memory to run efficiently. WP7 doesn't, nor does WP8.

None of those 'features' are worth an extra 250e either!

SK1979 wrote: »

Thanks for the advice lads.

My daughter would be mainly using it for Facebook, etc so she wouldn't miss the app's that much. She's not invested in iTunes or Apple / Android eco systems so it really makes sense to get this for the cracking price on PAYG through Meteor. I'll probably sign her up to the rolling 30 day sim only play then for €20 a month that gives the 200 mins / texts and 1gb data. That'll work out a lot cheaper than trying to get a S2 etc.

Just make sure to tell her to download "Counters" app from the marketplace to track of the mins and texts and especially data she's using.

Teenagers wouldn't be the most careful people regarding their bills, on PAYG if they use up their credit its tough, wait till next month, on bill it just keeps on going, especially if its data can end up quite expensive.

BostonB wrote: »

LOL. You're gonna hate the 820 with WP8 then because its pretty much the same hardware and features of the S2 and Android.

1080p@30fps
Bluetooth v3.1
1 GB RAM
VGA front cam
4.3 inches
Li-Ion 1650 mAh
Dual-core 1.5 GHz
microSD, up to 32 GB

Why would anyone hate that ?

BostonB wrote: »

No idea, he said better hardware wasn't "worth" it.

No, I didn't. I said that comparing the specs between two different operating systems is pointless - WP7 needs less resources to run well than Android.

*sighs*

BostonB wrote: »

Sorry but you rubbished better hardware as being not needed. Almost all of that list has nothing to do with GUI resources. Like bigger screen, better camera, front facing camera, more storage, faster processing, future OS compatibility, etc. The 820 has clearly superior hardware to the 800. The 820 is almost identical to the S2 in hardware.

Again, no, I didn't. Better hardware is obviously better, but there's no need to have 2gb of RAM in a WP. It doesn't need it, and you'll notice little, if any performance improvement.

Bigger screen is not a better screen. It's just bigger. AMOLED vs Super LCD would be a hardware consideration that I would say is justified, but 4.3 vs 3.7 is purely an aesthetic choice made by the consumer. I didn't rubbish front facing cameras either, I simply said they are not used by the vast majority of people. For some people, it's necessary, but I've had very few people ask me about the quality of a front facing camera. In fact, I can think of only one, who wanted it for Skype.

For the last time, it's not the hardware that governs the phone speed. It's the OS's use of that hardware that does, and Windows Phone needs less resources to run smoothly compared to Android.

Yeah, I think the original point is that there is no way you should spend an extra 250 to get a Galaxy S II where you can get a Lumia for 150.

DjFlin wrote: »

That's very untrue. Once the next Temple Run/Angry Birds/Draw Something comes out and doesn't hit WP7, your kids will let you know. Believe me.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

All on Windows Phone.

Is it? Although cant find a BOI app yet. Only seems to be on Andriod or Apple.

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Its coming, Words with Friends and Draw something [do people still play that]came out a couple of days ago.

Next on the list as far as I can remember is temple run

Exactly my point. Getting the apps on time is more important than just getting them eventually.

I've had a Windows Phone since Day 1, and I love it. The only problem I have with it, is the ecosystem.

All OS's have trouble with their ecosystems to begin with. Android only caught up on iOS about a year ago.

Windows Phone needs time to mature, and there isnt much that can be done about it by anyone. Though Microsoft could speed it up a bit by giving out free phones to Devs like they didnt when the original WP7's launched.

DjFlin wrote: »

Exactly my point. Getting the apps on time is more important than just getting them eventually.

I've had a Windows Phone since Day 1, and I love it. The only problem I have with it, is the ecosystem.

All OS's have trouble with their ecosystems to begin with. Android only caught up on iOS about a year ago.

Windows Phone needs time to mature, and there isnt much that can be done about it by anyone. Though Microsoft could speed it up a bit by giving out free phones to Devs like they didnt when the original WP7's launched.

Lumia 920's were given out at the recent build event for devs

SK1979 wrote: »

Can I ask another question? It's more in general to windows phones but is it possible to buy prepaid cards with money on them to spend in the marketplace? Similar to iTunes cards I guess.

Cheers.

No. You could make use of O2 money card and use it as a prepaid card.

Though not very good if you want it to be a gift maybe.

ryaner1979 wrote: »

Can anyone on 02 send and receive pic messages on this phone yet? O2 are telling me to download the connection set up app from the marketplace. I cant find it. Is it there??

Its in Nokia Marketplace. Connection Set up app