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    #632
    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    They should send them over to the Netherlands to do their 'Parades'

    They'd fit right in with all that Orange at the Queens day festival.

    Nobody would have a f*cking clue what their on about either so double win.

    Every time I hear 'Orange Order' I can't help but think 'Ku Klux Klan' the outfits are just as ridiculous.

    Do they have a grand wizard ?


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    #633
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You where NOT saying sectarianism is ok and justified, which is what you where continually being asked about.
    Stop wriggling and stand up for what you believe in, man! :rolleyes:

    Now - if there's some medical reason you're a bit slow on the uptake, I apologise, but let me break it down in simple terms (again):

    I'm not saying sectarianism is either ok or justified, but I think we're all aware that most insular religious groups are fundamentally sectarian in outlook. That's their business, and it's not against any law until they go a break some related law.

    If you read anything that anyone posted in this thread stating that sectarianism was ok - then consult with your doctor - the pills aren't working any more.

    The majority of OO parades don't result in provocation or overt displays of sectarianism - one did this year - which is pretty good in historic terms. The vast majority of parades either worked out compromises with concerned residents, or took place in non-contentious routes. No Southern parades have been contentious to date - and what's been suggested is another southern parade - just in Dublin.

    I'm happy enough for these lads to have their parade - regardless of what I personally feel about their brand of Protestantism - it's no more offensive to me than say Youth Defence, who are welcome to make a song and dance in public - as long as they don't break the law. Not my thing at all, but I'm not going to try and stop them.


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    #634
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Do me a favour and google the word 'sectarian'. :rolleyes:
    just have sectarian;;;one characterized by bigoted adherence to a fractional viewpoint, i got it right first time.


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    #635
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    getz wrote: »
    i think you are blind to the obvious,people who try to suggest the GAA is;not sectarian; well it plainly is ,the symbols it uses,the word eire on many of their badges,could you imagine the word british being used on irish football badges in the republic. its constitution and various other things are plainly exclusive,it does not matter whether this is deliberate[although it is ],yes protestants can play GAA but only if they are prepared to tolerate nationism,in other words,only on certain peoples own terms.

    It is a very openly Nationalist organisation, that doesn't make it sectarian like the OO.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #636
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    getz wrote: »
    just have sectarian;;;one characterized by bigoted adherence to a fractional viewpoint, i got it right first time.

    It's an organisation set up to foster and promote gaelic games and culture, it never said anything different. There is nothing sectarian about that. If you want to take part in gaelic games and culture; join. If you don't wish to partake in that, don't join.
    It was that very ethos that seen it targetted by the those who support and promote sectarianism in the North, both openly and out of the side of their mouths.


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    #637
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    K-9 wrote: »
    It is a very openly Nationalist organisation, that doesn't make it sectarian like the OO.
    i can agree with you there,but trying to deny that there is no sectarian agenda in some of their northern clubs is laughable


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    #638
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's an organisation set up to foster and promote gaelic games and culture, it never said anything different. There is nothing sectarian about that. If you want to take part in gaelic games and culture; join. If you don't wish to partake in that, don't join.
    It was that very ethos that seen it targetted by the those who support and promote sectarianism in the North, both openly and out of the side of their mouths.
    how many non-catholics play GAA in northern ireland ? there certainly no problem of who joins in england/wales/ scotland and the republic,


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    #639
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    getz wrote: »
    how many non-catholics play GAA in northern ireland ? there certainly no problem of who joins in england/wales/ scotland and the republic,

    I'll give you 3 guesses to why that is. :rolleyes:
    Show us where; in it's constitution or in it's utterances, that the organisation is 'officially' sectarian. Then comparison with the OO is justified, if you can't do that, stop trying to deflect with whataboutery.
    While you are at it, show us where they where aided and abetted by the authorities in the practice of this imaginary sectarianism.


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    #640
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's an organisation set up to foster and promote gaelic games and culture, it never said anything different.

    Which explains perfectly why they would choose to put an IRA terrorist on a youth competition medal. Nothing sectarian to see here, move along.


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    #641
    K-9
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    getz wrote: »
    i can agree with you there,but trying to deny that there is no sectarian agenda in some of their northern clubs is laughable

    Well there will be idiots in organisations that big, like the order trying to censure the UUP leader for attending Ronan Kerr's funeral. Still leaves the OO as sectarian and the GAA openly Nationalist.

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    #642
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    While you are at it, show us where they where aided and abetted by the authorities in the practice of this imaginary sectarianism.

    The GAA are just as involved in seeking grants as the OO is - and that's the extent of 'aiding and abetting by authorities' at play.


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    #643
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    john why wrote: »
    just seen on the bbc newsline that yesterday a loyalist band stoped at a catholic church to sing the famine song and to have a little march. wtf is wrong with these people, and they claim there not sectarian.

    dont know how to upload links, maybe someone else could
    I like their sense of humour.


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    #644
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    K-9 wrote: »
    Well there will be idiots in organisations that big, like the order trying to censure the UUP leader for attending Ronan Kerr's funeral. Still leaves the OO as sectarian and the GAA openly Nationalist.

    That a nationalist organisation got entrenched (in some instances) in the face of systemised and organised official discrimination, provocation and targeting, ground stealing and the murder of their members is undeniable. However, there is no official sectarian agenda in the GAA and there never was.
    The OO, however, offically and constitutionally sectarian, had the weight of the security forces and therefore, the institution of Government itself, behind them for decades. That is also undeniable.


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    #645
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    That is also undeniable.

    Of course it is. :rolleyes:

    And those poor GAA lads - you can't blame them for what they were forced into doing - it was all the securocrats fault.


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    #646
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    alastair wrote: »
    Of course it is. :rolleyes:

    And those poor GAA lads - you can't blame them for what they were forced into doing - it was all the securocrats fault.

    Hey buddy did you bash astonaidan in the face.


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    #647
    Nipper Man
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Nipper Man


    Hi Everybody,

    I think that people are entitled to march, however they should march and enjoy themselves and not try and incite people by hateful remarks or the like.

    After all the things that have happened in the past 30 odd years and all the deaths because of that era, people seem not to have learned anything at all.

    Education seems to have missed that part of a person's reasoning ability to behave in a Christian manner towards their neighbour's of all Religion's and or beliefs.

    There are some things that I do not agree with, however I can accept them as long as I am not directly put in any harm by their existence in this world where we all have several differences to contend with on a daily basis, so lets not do onto others that we would not like done to ourselves, please.

    A memory of something past should not now cause injury for those living in the present.



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    #648
    omgitsthelazor
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭omgitsthelazor


    2012, still with this crap. Wow.

    Saddest part was seeing kids involved, what monstrosity of a parent would involve their kids in something bigoted like that?


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    #649
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Lads, Alastair has almost 3 times the number of posts of the next nearest person (144) and is still getting a kick out of this thread. I think it's time people stopped giving him the oxygen of attention.

    Anticipated response:

    If this advice was applied to the marching bands them we might not have all this outrage.

    To which I would redirect him to this post.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The ol' 'just ignore it' spiel, such naivety. It's impossible to ignore - what do you want people to do? Wear ear protectors, blindfolds and lock themselves in a darkened room for a month?

    It's a marching season not a marching day; did that fact pass you by or are you just here in a failed attempt to be condescending?

    TL;DR, Do not feed.


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    #650
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Lads, Alastair has almost 3 times the number of posts of the next nearest person (144).

    Thanks for caring enough to count. :p

    You seem to agree with me over the best way to deal with displays of parade sectarianism all the same:
    Shure what's the point in being triumphalist over centuries old events if you can't antagonise your phantom 'enemy'.


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    #651
    cardwizzard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭cardwizzard


    omgitsthelazor wrote: »
    2012, still with this crap. Wow.

    Saddest part was seeing kids involved, what monstrosity of a parent would involve their kids in something bigoted like that?


    Yip I agree with you.

    Its a cycle you can bet their fathers brought them up the same way. Bigots to the core.


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    #652
    [Deleted User]
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    I wish we could just cut Northern Ireland off from the rest of Ireland.

    Then they can play their silly flute music about murdering catholics and protestants or whatever the pipe bomb in the school hit.

    Fu­cking dullards.


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    #653
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    alastair wrote: »
    Thanks for caring enough to count. :p

    If you press the number of posts as it appears on the front page it gives a list of who has 'contributed' the most.

    1 click.


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    #654
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Edz87 wrote: »
    I wish we could just cut Northern Ireland off from the rest of Ireland.

    Then they can play their silly flute music about murdering catholics and protestants or whatever the pipe bomb in the school hit.

    Fu­cking dullards.

    yes they do it when reading the weather.


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    #655
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    If you press the number of posts as it appears on the front page it gives a list of who has 'contributed' the most.

    1 click.

    You learn something new every day. Still - thanks for checking!


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    #656
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    ha ha this lot marching through dublin very funny


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    #657
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,381 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Don't know if any of ye were watching BBC Newsline but it was almost laughable the excuses the DUP guy was making for the band playing outside the church.
    Apparently they "didn't know" it was a catholic church that they were playing next to.:rolleyes:


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    #658
    celtictiger32
    Registered Users Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭celtictiger32


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Don't know if any of ye were watching BBC Newsline but it was almost laughable the excuses the DUP guy was making for the band playing outside the church.
    Apparently they "didn't know" it was a catholic church that they were playing next to.:rolleyes:

    your right that is laughable, they know exactly where their little marches go, they plan every route and submit it to the parades commision


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    #659
    blingrhino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭blingrhino


    I live in the south , I work in the north.
    Northern people whether catholic or protestant are generally a pain in the arse .
    I hate dealing with them , they moan , whine and sing as they talk .
    Have a real distrust of them even "friends", find them sneaky with another agenda.
    Does anybody in the south really care about the north.
    Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .


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    #660
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    blingrhino wrote: »
    Just get a big fence from Dundalk to Donegal and leave them at it .

    That kinda irresponsible attitude created the problem in the first place. :rolleyes:


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    #661
    SocSocPol
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Lads, Alastair has almost 3 times the number of posts of the next nearest person (144) and is still getting a kick out of this thread. I think it's time people stopped giving him the oxygen of attention.

    Anticipated response:

    If this advice was applied to the marching bands them we might not have all this outrage.

    To which I would redirect him to this post.



    TL;DR, Do not feed.
    Congratulations on your promotion as a Mod:)


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