Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

Junoesque · 08-07-2012 05:25PM

Sick people too much to drink, to much to snort and not enough brain to fill an eggcup, between them.

paddyandy · 08-07-2012 05:28PM

People pour money into Evil and more evil must flow from these Venom Machines and if the money stops the evil stops too .These Acts are well attuned to the excitement of murder and mayhem that lies below the surface of human nature .They Capitalise on it and make fortunes inflaming youth and causing violence and mayhem .They leave our shores with a big Bag of money and their sort will be back because Ireland is Sleepy and Apathetic about important issues ... We were always that way .
During the "Tiger" years Crime soared and cutbacks in the gardai went on at the same time and plenty of paople on hospital trolleys .What are we serious about ????

Namlub · 08-07-2012 05:30PM

paddyandy wrote: »

People pour money into Evil and more evil must flow from these Venom Machines and if the money stops the evil stops too .These Acts are well attuned to the excitement of murder and mayhem that lies below the surface of human nature .They Capitalise on it and make fortunes inflaming youth and causing violence and mayhem .They leave our shores with a big Bag of money .

wat

Tombi! · 08-07-2012 05:31PM

Namlub wrote: »

wat

I think he was trying to explain how the promoters of the gigs just care about money and don't care how much trouble they cause.

08-07-2012 05:34PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

That thing of "how you're raised reflects the person you'll be" is a load of rubbish in my opinion.

I've been raised around people getting drunk, peopleon drugs, fights, stolen cars, etc.

I don't do any of that. If anything it was a bigger deter against taking drugs and starting drinking in alleys are 12/13 years old.

Not having a go at what you're saying or anything but I personally think it's a bit of a cop out and is one of the reasons the kids still get put back out on the streets to repeat their offences.

It's not a cop-out, it's what happens. People have choices obviously but the odds are stacked against people raised in certain circumstances.

Cheers for that.
I always wonder myself since I've currently on the dole. It always baffaled me how I'd hear people say "**** it, not going to FAS tomorrow, not like they'll cut me off" and wondered how much truth it held.

I've several rants on the topic but I don't think this thread is the place for them. :pac:

mikom · 08-07-2012 05:35PM

paddyandy wrote: »

People pour money into Evil and more evil must flow from these Venom Machines and if the money stops the evil stops too .These Acts are well attuned to the excitement of murder and mayhem that lies below the surface of human nature .They Capitalise on it and make fortunes inflaming youth and causing violence and mayhem .They leave our shores with a big Bag of money .

Seriously dude..... make an appointment with your doctor.

amacca · 08-07-2012 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The evidence doesn't really suggest that though. People raised with alcoholic or drug-abusing parents are more likely to follow them, even allowing for the genetics factor. Plenty of them will have friends die in certain circumstances yet not change their own behaviour at all.

your reply contains nothing that refutes my point even though you seem to think it does

I'm saying the punishment meted out by law/justice system (not by their environment/circumstances) is too lenient and not a suitable deterrant - I would contend that mandatory punishment for crimes involving unprovoked violence/thuggery (with no concurrency for each separate offence or suspension of sentences) would reduce the problem drastically and cost the state less (although the usual parasites wouldnt be able to earn a living from the reduced level of crime)

the kind of punishment I'm envisioning would not be revolving door imprisonment costing the state money in solicitors fees etc but something more onerous that would not encourage them to reoffend

tayto lover · 08-07-2012 05:37PM

Coke, alcohol and anger = trouble.

sink · 08-07-2012 05:38PM

I think people are unfairly blaming MCD here. If some knife wielding psyco is intent on causing trouble there is not an awful lot an organiser can do short of having metal detectors and riot police and even that would not be 100% effective.

Tombi! · 08-07-2012 05:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not a cop-out, it's what happens. People have choices obviously but the odds are stacked against people raised in certain circumstances./QUOTE]

I might have been a bit harsh. I think it's a cop out to say "Damo, this is the tenth time you smashed up a car while drinking, but it's okay, we forgive you, go free and remember, don't be a bold boy! ".

But yes, I do know that your upbringing can be a lot to do with how you turn out. But using it as a cop out to let kids go free when they clearly more help other than "we might give you a bit more of a lecture next time" isn't going to help anyone, least not the kid who understands it's okay to get drunk and start fights.

silvine · 08-07-2012 05:39PM

paddyandy wrote: »

People pour money into Evil and more evil must flow from these Venom Machines and if the money stops the evil stops too .These Acts are well attuned to the excitement of murder and mayhem that lies below the surface of human nature .They Capitalise on it and make fortunes inflaming youth and causing violence and mayhem .They leave our shores with a big Bag of money and their sort will be back because Ireland is Sleepy and Apathetic about important issues ... We were always that way .
During the "Tiger" years Crime soared and cutbacks in the gardai went on at the same time and plenty of paople on hospital trolleys .What are we serious about ????

FairPlay to them that's what I say. Venom machines FTW.

/goes looking for hash pills

08-07-2012 05:40PM

amacca wrote: »

your reply contains nothing that refutes my point even though you seem to think it does

I'm saying the punishment meted out by law/justice system (not by their environment/circumstances) is too lenient and not a suitable deterrant - I would contend that mandatory punishment for crimes involving unprovoked violence/thuggery (with no concurrency for each separate offence or suspension of sentences) would reduce the problem drastically and cost the state less (although the usual parasites wouldnt be able to earn a living from the reduced level of crime)

the kind of punishment I'm envisioning would not be revolving door imprisonment costing the state money in solicitors fees etc but something more onerous that would not encourage them to reoffend

I agree it's too lenient morally however most crime is lower than ever while the legal system continues to get more lenient. There's no correlation with harsher punishments and falling crime rates except in very particular circumstances. The kinds of people who will go out and slash a dozen or so people aren't going to be deterred by a possible prison term or much else I can think of.

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 08-07-2012 05:40PM

paddyandy. I think you're the Evil Venom Machine!

LH Pathe · 08-07-2012 05:42PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Namlub wrote: »

wat

I think he was trying to explain how the promoters of the gigs just care about money and don't care how much trouble they cause.

think he's referring to these 'acts' that show up; press play on tape usually under the sheeps clothing of 'Planet Love' or something whilst the glasgae smiles commence to their artificial sountrack of love and hearts. Then break for the border with the swag

08-07-2012 05:43PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I might have been a bit harsh. I think it's a cop out to say "Damo, this is the tenth time you smashed up a car while drinking, but it's okay, we forgive you, go free and remember, don't be a bold boy! ".

I agree, just saying that tougher sentences for it don't act as a deterrent.

But yes, I do know that your upbringing can be a lot to do with how you turn out. But using it as a cop out to let kids go free when they clearly more help other than "we might give you a bit more of a lecture next time" isn't going to help anyone, least not the kid who understands it's okay to get drunk and start fights.

Again, if someone goes out and randomly slashed a load of people I'd be fine with them never getting out of prison. I'm not saying they should be given any leeway because their daddy slapped them once when they were 5, just that consequences don't mean much to these people. I've seen people who dabbled (not junkies as such) OD and it didn't put their friends off. Someone died in a joy-riding accident, did their mates stop? No chance.

strangel00p · 08-07-2012 05:48PM

Real Life wrote: »

how come there was no trouble at the stone roses when most of the crowd there would have been using drugs aswell?

There was plenty of trouble at the stone roses gig from what I could see. The gardai simply weren't doing their job when they said there were no arrests.

Madam_X · 08-07-2012 05:50PM

What kinda bad stuff was happening at the Roses gig? It all seemed very positive-natured to me.

sydthebeat · 08-07-2012 05:52PM

strangel00p wrote: »

Real Life wrote: »

how come there was no trouble at the stone roses when most of the crowd there would have been using drugs aswell?

There was plenty of trouble at the stone roses gig from what I could see. The gardai simply weren't doing their job when they said there were no arrests.

the only trouble I saw was caused by security/steward refusing to open an exit after. I saw no crowd trouble at all, and I was severely impressed by the good will feeling during the whole gig.

seanbmc · 08-07-2012 05:57PM

I went to the gig and I had an amazing time, SHM were great and so were the other acts.

What annoys me is that there's such a bad image associated with one of my favourite types of music, it seemed that a lot of people were there for the sole purpose of getting pissed and causing trouble and not for the music. You could tell straight away from seeing the behavior of some of the people. Though it's only a small majority, they ruin it for everyone else. I just want to see some of my favourite DJs perform live without having to witness this shíte.

At one stage during Snoop Dogg I was pushed into some girl, she was pissed and proceeded to dig me in the head twice, I pushed her back and her boyfriend squared up to me, ready for a fight. I just walked away. He was a complete scumbag.

It's terrible to hear about stabbings at a gig I was at,, again a bad image for electronic music festivals. That said though I met some nice people during SHM who were there for the same reason I was, the music.

Posted this over in Gigs and Events, might aswell put it here.

LH Pathe · 08-07-2012 05:58PM

strangel00p wrote: »

Real Life wrote: »

how come there was no trouble at the stone roses when most of the crowd there would have been using drugs aswell?

There was plenty of trouble at the stone roses gig from what I could see. The gardai simply weren't doing their job when they said there were no arrests.

I know my brothers pals were there; not typically musicality inclined lads.. Main event for em was last nights

I'm bein kind - brazen scangers. I think a lot of post-oases skanks latched onto the sr's particularly with the chavvy one's solo career. The musicianship woulda gone over their heads - any lacerations, though? The premise of techno hippie events. Trojan horeshìt on an epic scale.. girls music gives lads no requisite avenue to vent

Nodin · 08-07-2012 05:59PM

paddyandy wrote: »

People pour money into Evil and more evil must flow from these Venom Machines and if the money stops the evil stops too .These Acts are well attuned to the excitement of murder and mayhem that lies below the surface of human nature .They Capitalise on it and make fortunes inflaming youth and causing violence and mayhem .They leave our shores with a big Bag of money and their sort will be back because Ireland is Sleepy and Apathetic about important issues ... We were always that way .
During the "Tiger" years Crime soared and cutbacks in the gardai went on at the same time and plenty of paople on hospital trolleys .What are we serious about ????

Whats that Paddy?

A little girl is trapped down an old well?

monty_python · 08-07-2012 06:03PM

This thread is gone to ****s.

Namlub · 08-07-2012 06:09PM

LH Pathe wrote: »

I know my brothers pals were there; not typically musicality inclined lads.. Main event for em was last nights

I'm bein kind - brazen scangers. I think a lot of post-oases skanks latched onto the sr's particularly with the chavvy one's solo career. The musicianship woulda gone over their heads - any lacerations, though? The premise of techno hippie events. Trojan horeshìt on an epic scale.. girls music gives lads no requisite avenue to vent

Is English your first language?

JP Liz V1 · 08-07-2012 06:09PM

One dead from an overdose and nine stabbed :eek:

celt262 · 08-07-2012 06:12PM

LH Pathe · 08-07-2012 06:14PM

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

paddyandy. I think you're the Evil Venom Machine!

can I assume that mantle? sooner Kronos than some davey ravey berk, that's for sure

bless em; the disenfranchised dance hipsters with their disco biscuits, all luv'd up with heart sign in the air and knives in their sock for only god can save em. Gays and scangers, what a contrast. Yet so hard to differenciate

strangel00p · 08-07-2012 06:15PM

LH Pathe wrote: »

I know my brothers pals were there; not typically musicality inclined lads.. Main event for em was last nights

I'm bein kind - brazen scangers. I think a lot of post-oases skanks latched onto the sr's particularly with the chavvy one's solo career. The musicianship woulda gone over their heads - any lacerations, though?

spot on, there was quite a few of these scumbags causing all sorts of bother. no stabbings that I know of.

Nodin · 08-07-2012 06:17PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

One dead from an overdose and nine stabbed :eek:

Interestingly, we have one of the highest rates of drug related deaths in Europe. Why that is, I've no idea though.

krudler · 08-07-2012 06:18PM

^ scumbags

Paully D · 08-07-2012 06:18PM

Was at the gig myself and only heard about the trouble today.

I had actually commented to a few people on how 99% of the people I had spoken to up there were just there to enjoy it and have a laugh, so was very surprised to hear about the stabbings and death(s). From my own experience it was one of the quietest gigs with regards to trouble that I've been at in a long time.

EDIT - The organisation was very poor though. The queue to get in was basically pushing and barging for 30 minutes +. It also would have been very easy for anyone who didn't have a ticket to get in. I don't really know much about these things and I'm not from the area, but surely the organisers could have found a better and more effective way to get people in?

Overall I really enjoyed it and didn't see any trouble at all.

Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

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