Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

krudler

^ scumbags

Paully D

Was at the gig myself and only heard about the trouble today.

I had actually commented to a few people on how 99% of the people I had spoken to up there were just there to enjoy it and have a laugh, so was very surprised to hear about the stabbings and death(s). From my own experience it was one of the quietest gigs with regards to trouble that I've been at in a long time.

EDIT - The organisation was very poor though. The queue to get in was basically pushing and barging for 30 minutes +. It also would have been very easy for anyone who didn't have a ticket to get in. I don't really know much about these things and I'm not from the area, but surely the organisers could have found a better and more effective way to get people in?

Overall I really enjoyed it and didn't see any trouble at all.

Collie D

strangel00p wrote: »

spot on, there was quite a few of these scumbags causing all sorts of bother. no stabbings that I know of.

Of course there's no need to back the statement up with specific examples...

beertons

Nodin wrote: »

Interestingly, we have one of the highest rates of drug related deaths in Europe. Why that is, I've no idea though.

Greed.

goreyguy

I went to it, it was absolutely great.

When i was there I never really felt worried about my safety at any point although parts of the crowd were pretty rough. I was searched coming in and had a metal detector used on me, but the security seemed pretty sound.

As usual the facilities were a joke but its to be expected, i heard rumors about the stabbings when i was leaving but again I never once felt it was in immediate danger. The music was great, the crowd (for the most part) were great.

It was very mucky and some younger people over did it with drink, I would say drug use was pretty common and obvious but thats hardly surprising to anyone is it?

Snowie

Seriously this ****s got to stop.

Festivals are getting swamped with people who just want to cause trouble... Well ooh at oxygen past few years its been blue murder whats next the electric picnic... ?

MCD seem to do nothing... They haven't even put a press release, I think its something as a hole that this country needs to sort out, I love going to concerts but there just not fun any more you're constantly watching you're back at gigs...

I wasn't at Swedish house mafia, but ffs Makomis description really brought things to the planet from booth a worried father...

I think people shouldn't be pointing the finger at the scum bags... But maybe at MCD and the security of such events...

Either way its really showing the there lack of ability to organizes and prioritize events and show the level of safety... Their not doing there job..

Every one seems to be happy to discuss it but out of the 100 or so people ranting on a forum how about those 100 people all email MCD or even dare i say the government td who looks after this kind crap...

To me MCD can't do the job then they shouldn't be allowed to operate how many near riots have happened in oxygen this and so many other events....

Nodin

krudler wrote: »

^ scumbags

Yes, but other countries have scumbags too, you know.

Madam_X

strangel00p wrote: »

spot on, there was quite a few of these scumbags causing all sorts of bother. no stabbings that I know of.

Like what? The Stone Roses have "laddish" fans all right, most of whom have grown up though.

The only "trouble" from Thursday night I heard about was a few curtain-twitchers from Castleknock ringing Joe the next day to whinge about seeing the odd person pissing in the bushes - trying to find something to complain about, which seems to be the case here. No comparison between Thursday's gig and last night's. Pity about last night - no doubt the vast majority were ok kids just wanting a bit of fun (even if it was drinking and sexing - that's what lots of well adjusted teenagers do) but it got ruined by a minority of rotten little sh1tbags.

Namlub

Snowie wrote: »

Seriously this ****s got to stop.

Festivals are getting swamped with people who just want to cause trouble... Well ooh at oxygen past few years its been blue murder whats next the electric picnic... ?

Again, no.

MCD seem to do nothing... They haven't even put a press release,

To be fair, yes they have.

Lumbo

Snowie wrote: »

Seriously this ****s got to stop.

Festivals are getting swamped with people who just want to cause trouble... Well ooh at oxygen past few years its been blue murder whats next the electric picnic... ?

MCD seem to do nothing... They haven't even put a press release, I think its something as a hole that this country needs to sort out, I love going to concerts but there just not fun any more you're constantly watching you're back at gigs...

I wasn't at Swedish house mafia, but ffs Makomis description really brought things to the planet from booth a worried father...

I think people shouldn't be pointing the finger at the scum bags... But maybe at MCD and the security of such events...

Either way its really showing the there lack of ability to organizes and prioritize events and show the level of safety... Their not doing there job..

Every one seems to be happy to discuss it but out of the 100 or so people ranting on a forum how about those 100 people all email MCD or even dare i say the government td who looks after this kind crap...

To me MCD can't do the job then they shouldn't be allowed to operate how many near riots have happened in oxygen this and so many other events....

Yes they have

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Nodin wrote: »

Interestingly, we have one of the highest rates of drug related deaths in Europe. Why that is, I've no idea though.

We take hard drugs like we drink, i was in amsterdam at a dance festival and people where splitting e's into quarters, here people take 2-10 in one night

Nodin

Hezekiah Steep Slavery wrote: »

We take drugs like we drink, i was in amsterdam at a dance festival and people where splitting e's into quarters, here people take 2-10 in one night

....that doesn't sound good practice, really.....

We're on page two, for those interested.
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/secured/wdr/Drug-related_Mortality_2012.pdf

Snowie

Lumbo wrote: »

Yes they have

well its news to me I'm on there site now! my bad also

Statement issued by Denis Desmond, Managing Director MCD Productions.

Obviously we are very disappointed that an individual or very small number of individuals engaged in anti-social behaviour, attempting to spoil the enjoyment of others. Such behaviour is certainly not reflective of the vast majority of the 45,000 fans who were extremely well behaved and should be congratulated. Unfortunately, anti-social behaviour has become more and more part of daily society with no town or village across the country escaping such conduct.

As event promoters we work extremely closely with An Gardai Siochana and fully support their tactical operations in combating anti-social behaviour.

Public safety is always our number one priority and we actively engage in detailed planning in advance to ensure this. Ticket holders entering the site were subject to a search permissible by law. Every precaution as far as possible was taken to ensure the safety and security of the audience at all times. All CCTV footage captured from the area has been supplied to the Gardai.

Despite our best efforts (with Security and Gardai personnel levels well in excess of the required numbers for a licensed event of this size) there is only so much one can do to combat anti-social behaviour.

An Gardai Siochana have already made an arrest and we are continuing to fully co-operate with them therefore it would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage of their investigation however in the meantime we would like to wish those affected a full and speedy recovery.

wow thats a statement... :rolleyes:

LH Pathe

Namlub wrote: »

Is English your first language?

No. Sorry..

Tends to be french under such circumstances, but I too think I did alright.

Collie D

Snowie wrote: »

I think people shouldn't be pointing the finger at the scum bags... But maybe at MCD and the security of such events...

Eh, no...I'll blame the scum with the knives/bottles/whatever they used. You could have a few thousand security guards there but if somebody wants to behave like an animal they will. It only takes a second or two to lash out with a knife.

The fault lies entirely with the dirtbag. Not with MCD, security, drink, drugs or the vast majority of kids at the event who were out for a good trouble free night.

Lumbo

Snowie wrote: »

well its news to me I'm on there site now! my bad also

wow thats a statement... :rolleyes:

I made no statement to the quality of the statement :P

I usually try to avoid MCD events. Unfortunately their monopoly of the gigs market makes it difficult.

krudler

LH Pathe wrote: »

can I assume that mantle? sooner Kronos than some davey ravey berk, that's for sure

bless em; the disenfranchised dance hipsters with their disco biscuits, all luv'd up with heart sign in the air and knives in their sock for only god can save em. Gays and scangers, what a contrast. Yet so hard to differenciate

what in the absolute fcuk does any of this mean?

VEN

Lumbo wrote: »

I usually try to avoid MCD events. Unfortunately their monopoly of the gigs market makes it difficult.

same here, in fact i pretty much avoid them all now. over priced greedy bastards the lot of them yet the sheep keep paying :pac:

Snowie

Collie D wrote: »

Eh, no...I'll blame the scum with the knives/bottles/whatever they used. You could have a few thousand security guards there but if somebody wants to behave like an animal they will. It only takes a second or two to lash out with a knife.

The fault lies entirely with the dirtbag. Not with MCD, security, drink, drugs or the vast majority of kids at the event who were out for a good trouble free night.

Who let them in why rant the mcd security officials letting in complete scum bags.. If the management refuse the right to entry they should be doing more to stop people like that entering... hate to say it..

its as much the lack of security apron entering as it is the scum bag...

Snowie

Lumbo wrote: »

I made no statement to the quality of the statement :P

I usually try to avoid MCD events. Unfortunately their monopoly of the gigs market makes it difficult.

well thats true :pac:

amacca

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree it's too lenient morally however most crime is lower than ever while the legal system continues to get more lenient. There's no correlation with harsher punishments and falling crime rates except in very particular circumstances. The kinds of people who will go out and slash a dozen or so people aren't going to be deterred by a possible prison term or much else I can think of.

thats my point...prison sentences are not a deterrant

so start giving them mandatory manual labour sentences....reducing entitlements etc...making their lives a hassle so they stop destroying others

there will be a correlation between reducing crime and the implementation of punishments that are actually unpleasant for the criminal rather than spending a small amount of time in a thugs academy and going back home with a name and an image

at the moment the justice system comes close to rewarding scum...thats whats wrong there are little or no real immediate negative consequences for being a scumbag

Collie D

Collie D wrote: »

Eh, no...I'll blame the scum with the knives/bottles/whatever they used. You could have a few thousand security guards there but if somebody wants to behave like an animal they will. It only takes a second or two to lash out with a knife.

The fault lies entirely with the dirtbag. Not with MCD, security, drink, drugs or the vast majority of kids at the event who were out for a good trouble free night.

I would love to agree with you. But to be honest a lot of the blame lies with alcohol and the lack of stigma attached to getting out of it to the extent that you become an uninhibited animal, who is then doing something abhorrent that they would never have done when not in that state.

When these kids were walking to the gig, drunk, they should have been rounded up and sent home by the Gardai. Instead, everyone saw them and just thought, "that's disgraceful, all these kids drunk". The problem lies with the societal love affair with alcohol and the amount of crap we are willing to put up with so that our affair may continue unabated.

LH Pathe

Raves will always bring the ****ing idiot element; end-of. Same since it's inception you take a gamble in trying to be hip by hosting one, let alone attend sounded like funderland last night; europap nightmare. dogdy mc's ushering kids in to a hellride they were never cut out for

christmas2012

Collie D wrote: »

Eh, no...I'll blame the scum with the knives/bottles/whatever they used. You could have a few thousand security guards there but if somebody wants to behave like an animal they will. It only takes a second or two to lash out with a knife.

The fault lies entirely with the dirtbag. Not with MCD, security, drink, drugs or the vast majority of kids at the event who were out for a good trouble free night.

While i agree the culprit should take full responsibility the gards and security staff should have been doing searches for knives and troublesome folk and to kick them out before any of this kicked off..
And how did they get in with drink and drugs,if a security gard got a whiff of marjuana,they should have rounded them up and kicked them out full stop,they are there to do their job,which they werent doing,maybe they felt intimidated themselves..

electrobanana

Im just after reading this thread from start to finish and the main thing that stood out for me is that this fella Damo seems to be a right little bollix altogether..

immersive

So many uneducated know it alls here. Typical narrow minded Ireland. The type of music has nothing to do with all the scumbags turning up and acting the way they did. For example a few short months ago I attended a steve angello (Swedish house mafia) pool party in Miami as part of the winter music conference. There was absolutely nothing like what is reported as going on last night. It was in fact a classy event in terms of the location, organisation, sound, lighting and an excellent set from Angello. In fact the biggest thing that struck me after Miami was the way you could have such a great time at all the dance gigs, meet new people who were all there because of the music and also walk home safetly at 5 in the morning. That was after attending pool parties, all day and night beach parties, underground gigs, stadium gigs, and side of the street and instore gigs. It's the people that made the difference. They drank and had a good time but knew their limit. It was about the music and getting boozed up was not the priority. The problem in Ireland is that getting boozed up is the main reason why MOST people go out and getting drugged up for a minority who give everyone else the bad name. I've been to gigs in Poland, Germany and also tomorrowland in Belgium. This is a dance festival that sells out around 180,000 tickets in a few hours every year. None of these events have the scumbag element that some dance gigs in Ireland have as other posters have pointed out. The people that attend all the events I have attended are musically educated people with a passion and understanding of edm. It comes down to Irish people not being able to control themselves and it seems to be getting worse. It's sickening and embarrassing and it's why I now travel outside of the country to socialise. Somebody mentioned above about music without words......please, don't embarrass yourself. Some of us think outside the box and enjoy the skills, melodys, rhythms involved in top music productions of different sub genres

LH Pathe

Bleurgh.

Bobeagleburger

LH Pathe wrote: »

Raves will always bring the ****ing idiot element; end-of. Same since it's inception you take a gamble in trying to be hip by hosting one, let alone attend sounded like funderland last night; europap nightmare. dogdy mc's ushering kids in to a hellride they were never cut out for

I've been to tons of raves over the years and rarely seen any trouble.

In fact, raves tend to have less trouble than other gigs from my experiences anyway.

Tombi!

electrobanana wrote: »

Im just after reading this thread from start to finish and the main thing that stood out for me is that this fella Damo seems to be a right little bollix altogether..

Right, you want a fookin' go ya bleedin' prick ya? I'll get da lads down here and we'll bleedin' dance on ya we will!

*queue none of the lads appearing*

Ah sure I was only having a laugh bud, no worries yeah?

Chucky the tree

immersive wrote: »

So many uneducated know it alls here. Typical narrow minded Ireland. The type of music has nothing to do with all the scumbags turning up and acting the way they did. For example a few short months ago I attended a steve angello (Swedish house mafia) pool party in Miami as part of the winter music conference. There was absolutely nothing like what is reported as going on last night. It was in fact a classy event in terms of the location, organisation, sound, lighting and an excellent set from Angello. In fact the biggest thing that struck me after Miami was the way you could have such a great time at all the dance gigs, meet new people who were all there because of the music and also walk home safetly at 5 in the morning. That was after attending pool parties, all day and night beach parties, underground gigs, stadium gigs, and side of the street and instore gigs. It's the people that made the difference. They drank and had a good time but knew their limit. It was about the music and getting boozed up was not the priority. The problem in Ireland is that getting boozed up is the main reason why MOST people go out and getting drugged up for a minority who give everyone else the bad name. I've been to gigs in Poland, Germany and also tomorrowland in Belgium. This is a dance festival that sells out around 180,000 tickets in a few hours every year. None of these events have the scumbag element that some dance gigs in Ireland have as other posters have pointed out. The people that attend all the events I have attended are musically educated people with a passion and understanding of edm. It comes down to Irish people not being able to control themselves and it seems to be getting worse. It's sickening and embarrassing and it's why I now travel outside of the country to socialise. Somebody mentioned above about music without words......please, don't embarrass yourself. Some of us think outside the box and enjoy the skills, melodys, rhythms involved in top music productions of different sub genres

It does in Ireland though.