Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

SUPPORT for victims of sexual assault thread - mod warning post #1

11011131516

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭miec


    This is a myth that needs to be dispelled. Plenty of dangerous men appear "hot, sexy and nice". It has nothing to do with appearance. None of this does.

    True and I agree there, I should have clarified myself better. I see kind caring men as sexy and I wanted to convey that a nice man wouldn't do that stuff to a woman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭sasco


    I've lurked on boards for years and this thread has prompted me to register. Just to say thank you to all you brave people who have shared your experiences. The bravery and strength you have all shown has me completely in awe of you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Ambersky


    Thanks for all the support and good wishes posted here, or even thought about since I posted my story. I really appreciate it.
    That was a long time ago, I hope things are different for young LGBT people now.
    Anyway I have had a lot of support from friends, had some counselling and Im living my life. Im not a victim I am a survivor of this and other assaults on my being that did not take myself away from me. I wish that for all who have posted here and who have yet to post. I think the stories are really important and dispell so many myths and pre conceptions about rape and sexual assault.
    Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I actually feel quite sick to my stomach thinking about writing this, because it's something I've actually kind of blocked out. I haven't really even thought about it much since it happened, and I've never even told anyone. I'm not going to try and 'compare' my story to some of the girls here, because it sounds like some of you have been through so, so much more.

    Anyway, a while ago, I was in this club and was with a guy. I don't usually do the ONS thing, but I decided I wanted to have sex with him, so when he asked me to come home with him, I agreed.
    We got back to his flat, went up to his room and started having sex (I wanted to). Somewhere along the line though, he started getting really rough and seriously hurting me. I actually cannot believe how much it hurt. I said "stop, you're hurting me", and he just kind of laughed and said "you'll be fine" and kept going. I said "please, you're really hurting me" again, and was basically crying at this stage, but he kept going. Next, I tried to push him off, but his whole weight was on me and I just couldn't. From there, I actually don't remember much, I just closed my eyes and let it happen.

    When he was "done", he asked me did I want some water. I didn't say anything, but he left the room anyway. When he was gone, I remember feeling mortified (wtf) because there was blood on the bed. I was shaking, but I scrambled around the room for my clothes, ran down the stairs and out the door. I wandered around this random housing estate in a total daze until I found a bus stop. I sat there in shock until a bus came, and I didn't even notice/care that it wasn't even going in the right direction. All I can remember thinking was "omg, the driver is going to think i'm a wh*re", because it was six in the morning and I was wearing hot pants.

    I've seen the guy twice since (he goes to my uni). Both times I felt quite sick, but I didn't really feel much at all, if you know what I mean. Sometimes, when I'm in college, and walking somewhere by myself though, I have this sick feeling he's going to bump into me on a corner or something. Though I actually feel more sick writing this, than I ever did when I saw him. I always kind of denied it in my head.

    Hugs to everyone on here who told their stories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    I was talking about this thread with someone in the context of the Mayo rape tape case. When members of the justice system feel its ok to joke about rape, is it any wonder that victims of sexual assault or rape feel the system doesn't work for them? How would a woman who's the victim of an assault feel going to the garda station where those police officers worked, walking up to the counter having heard them on tape joking about rape, and reporting the crime?

    I don't know how I would feel reporting what happened to me to my local police service. I don't know if they would feel it was assault. There's no physical evidence, only my bad memory from three years ago this weekend. I don't know if my ex even remembers what happened, for all I know he thinks it was a perfectly normal sexual encounter. It's easy to tell people to report assaults and rapes, but I know if I did go down to the police station tonight and file a report, very little would happen and I'd more than likely end up worse off, having to deal with the adversarial legal system should it even get to court.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I feel like I'm superbly crashing this thread, but here goes.
    Does anyone else alternate between not feeling anything at all (most of the time), to being a shivering wreck on occasion? I see myself as "dealing" with the situation quite well, and tbh, I'm quite good at blocking it all out, but occasionally it will creep up on me and bite me in the a*ss. For example, in the past I have been fooling around with guys, and when we're just about to have sex (tmi), I'll start shivering, basically in fear? I can usually convince them "i'm just cold". Ugh.

    Also (and sorry if this offends anyone), when it comes to rape jokes, etc, I don't really have much of a reaction. Unlike some girls here, I don't feel the need to stifle any emotions when people tell these jokes, I just don't really feel anything at all.
    I have these feelings of detachment, almost as if it didn't happen to me. I mean, I KNOW it happened, but I feel very removed from it nonetheless, if that makes sense? Sometimes I feel like I should be FEELING more, but I just don't. I have this empty, removed sort of feeling where I think despair is supposed to be. Bleh...

    I have also thought about the guy. The guy who raped me was a "normal" guy; he was good looking, 4 years into his degree, popular. I know I shouldn't have had that image of all rapists being creepy, middle-aged weirdos lurking in alleyways, but (sorry if this sounds stupid) the reality hit me like a tonne of bricks. The fact that you just don't know who to trust. You can't tell by looking at them, so who the hell can you trust? (sorry)

    I wonder if the guy even considers himself a rapist? If he does, then wouldn't he feel bad? Does he care that he raped me, or even think about it? I also wonder if he ever did it again, or if he'd done it before. Sorry, this is very 'guy-centric', but I hate knowing these are people that exist in the world...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I've been lurking on this thread for weeks now and until now I've convinced myself that my story wasn't important or serious enough to post. I had a bit of a flashback today at work about something I hadn't thought about for years. I think it was a result of reading this thread and it's something I want to get off my chest.

    This will be long I warn you.
    My parents split up when I was very young and my mother, to put it mildly, has always had her head in the clouds as regards relationships. She was unused to country living and all the ****e that goes with it. So for starters, she has an affair with a much older married man. That's not all. Another man involved in the local community started 'helping' us. Well you know what he wanted from a single mother. And he got it, many years later my mother said she 'felt sorry' for him. He would 'tickle' me and slap me if I was 'bold'. I was under seven. He was dirty ignorant old man. I never felt hatred like I did when I was a small girl towards him. He would call over on Sunday nights and take over our living room and jig his legs and hit the table. I dreaded Sunday nights. He died when I was about 14 or so, at this stage he had not been to our house for many years. I was not sorry when he died.

    My mother talked it over with the man she had the affair with when I was about 17. In front of me. Saying it was 'obvious he got a thrill out of it'. I genuinely think she hasn't a notion about what abuse does to a person. I couldn't believe she had let this man in our home.

    Another man would squeeze my thigh and rubbish like that when I was about 14. To his credit he stopped when I began to cry one day.

    I have never had much luck with boys, but I have been blessed (cursed?) with a good figure. Many of my sexual experiences have entailed me feeling used and like crap. I've always consented however. (And there have been some great ones too to be fair ;) )

    A few years back, one night I got so hammered I met some guy I knew from college. A good looking guy I had quite fancied, that I thought was the shy retiring type. All I remember is being led from the nightclub by him to my house. I don't know if we had sex. I will never know what happened that night. Was he in the wrong? Maybe his judgement was too clouded by alcohol. Was I in a fit state to consent? I don't think so. What is worse that my two best friends at the time watched me go and didn't say a word.

    So that's my story. I just had to get it off my chest. It's sad what all this has done to my view of relationships. I have had one relationship and I was so devastated when it ended- almost because my final, minuscule hope that Prince Charming was meant for me was extinguished- that I have done everything since to avoid intimacy. I am cynical and jaded. I act the classic role of the 'man'- I don't call, I don't text, the second I sleep with a man I feel panicked that I might have to have a relationship with him. I look at my friends with loving, decent boyfriends and I wonder is that ever meant for me. It feels like I will be forever stuck with the toads, but then I can't force myself to give the odd prince a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭miec


    Hi Kc93

    I believe that disconnected feeling you are experiencing is pretty normal for people who have experienced rape / sexual abuse. I know that when I was experiencing the actual rape from my half brother I used to stare at a corner and exit my body, I did not feel a thing, well I did but I did not feel it because I was not present. I spent a lot of my life not feeling much, even when as an adult others did horrendous **** on me, I felt very little. I remember one therapist saying to me in an appalled voice that I was describing what happened to me as if describing the weather. The thing is I know I am really healing because I feel all the **** now, those moments you get, of where the awfulness of your experience bursts through your numbness is your mind / body telling you that something terrible happened. I personally believe the only healthy way through it is via counselling by someone trained in sexual abuse/ rape.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    miec wrote: »
    Hi Kc93

    I believe that disconnected feeling you are experiencing is pretty normal for people who have experienced rape / sexual abuse. I know that when I was experiencing the actual rape from my half brother I used to stare at a corner and exit my body, I did not feel a thing, well I did but I did not feel it because I was not present. I spent a lot of my life not feeling much, even when as an adult others did horrendous **** on me, I felt very little. I remember one therapist saying to me in an appalled voice that I was describing what happened to me as if describing the weather. The thing is I know I am really healing because I feel all the **** now, those moments you get, of where the awfulness of your experience bursts through your numbness is your mind / body telling you that something terrible happened. I personally believe the only healthy way through it is via counselling by someone trained in sexual abuse/ rape.

    That's very true. I remember feeling numb when it happened, and going on as normal, and thinking 'I'll think about it later'. And then breaking down about it later. It's only a year later I can really talk about it.
    I actually told a friend about what happened last night, and I felt such relief! I had cut this friend off last year cause I couldnt talk about what happened, and I felt such relief when I talked about it last night.

    The more you talk about it the more you heal I firmly believe. When it festers in your mind it gets bigger and bigger.

    Thats why I really think we can help girls who have just been through it, we understand, we know what the stages are, numb and detachment. We understand and could help.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    An excellent excellent video, I cant reccomend it enough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvUdgxyO7k&feature=g-vrec


  • Advertisement
  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    And this one. I wish I could talk to that girl and tell her I love her and she's so brave. Some brilliant videos on you tube at the minute

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=8spXumVw8wQ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭uriah


    newmug wrote: »

    To me, rape is being followed down an alley (or TRAPPED in some other way), being beaten up, and being FORCED to have sex with a gun or a knife.

    What utter ignorance.
    Most rapes are nothing like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I am not brave enough to post this under my username, but I want to share my story nonetheless.

    Yes, I do think I've been sexually assaulted. I know that I have. When I was 18 years old, I naively shared a bed with one of my close male friends. We had been friends since we were 4 years old and I thought that I could trust him: I was wrong.
    While I was sleeping (or at least, he thought I was sleeping - I woke up and was frozen by fear), he undressed me and assaulted me. It was only when he climbed on top of me that I found the strength to push him off and leave the room.

    I didn't stay silent. I told my friends who were in the apartment and none of them reacted the way I thought they would. This boy had tried to rape me and had molested me in the process and yet, somehow, that was...ok? Justifications were thrown around that he had had too much to drink, or didn't know what he was doing. I was asked if I had done something to encourage him (how does one encourage something while asleep?). He said he couldn't remember anything happening and there was no sense of outrage towards him.

    Nothing remotely sexual had ever happened between this boy and I. We had never flirted, let alone kissed, and yet somehow the immediate reaction (of my male friends, at least), was that I must have done something to provoke him. Eventually they saw sense and broke off contact with him, but only after he admitted that he did remember the event taking place and had done it because he "felt like it" and I "was there".

    I'm not sure which has hurt me more: the act itself or the aftermath. I think mostly the aftermath, though. What happened has made me somewhat afraid of sexual experiences. I find it harder to trust men and I become detached from myself in intimate situations (of which I'd had none before it happened and have had few since). The aftermath, though, has left me so very angry. I'm angry with anyone I've told, because none of them have reacted with what I really needed: anger. Anger that this boy thought that because I was there beside him, he had the right to take advantage of me, humiliate me and degrade me.

    My self-esteem, which was never that solid, has hit an all-time low and even though what happened took place over two years ago, I am not over it. I am in counselling for the impact it has had on all parts of my life. It affected my relationship with my mother, my friendships, my school work and my self image.

    I know that people are trying to help when they say "it could have been worse". I know that it could have been worse and that I could have been raped, which is a horrendous thing to happen to anyone. But being told that made me suppress my pain for too long. It has taken me a very long time to accept that I am entitled to feel what I'm feeling and be upset at what happened to me.

    If I'm being honest, I spent quite some time wishing that I had been raped, because then there wouldn't be this grey area. (I know that that's a horrible thing to wish and I'm really not trying to make light of rape.) Sexual assault is not something that is taken very seriously in this country. I did not go to the Gardaí because I was afraid of how I would be treated in a legal case, but also by the people in my town. I'm not saying that the Gardaí would not have been supportive and the legal system wouldn't have helped me, but the perception of how it might be worse to say something than nothing is very scary, even if it's not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭boomkatalog


    I completely forgot about something I was taught in my early teens until reading some posts in here.

    I was a member of a county diocesen youth society in my teens and we had weekly meetings where we hung out and talked about various issues young people deal with, drug abuse, alcohol, sex etc.

    One week we (both guys and girls) were given a lengthy talk about girls who were 'rape bait', dressing like sluts and basically 'asking for it'. The idea was to teach us girls not to look slutty, to keep ourselves safe. I'm actually a bit in shock now thinking back, at the time I was so young I just accepted it but its absolutely terrifying that anyone could justify rape under any terms!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    I completely forgot about something I was taught in my early teens until reading some posts in here.

    I was a member of a county diocesen youth society in my teens and we had weekly meetings where we hung out and talked about various issues young people deal with, drug abuse, alcohol, sex etc.

    One week we (both guys and girls) were given a lengthy talk about girls who were 'rape bait', dressing like sluts and basically 'asking for it'. The idea was to teach us girls not to look slutty, to keep ourselves safe. I'm actually a bit in shock now thinking back, at the time I was so young I just accepted it but its absolutely terrifying that anyone could justify rape under any terms!

    Oh my God. My mouth literally just dropped open. :eek: Holy shit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    snafuk35 wrote: »
    SNIP

    What is your problem? Why do you feel the need to come in here and turn the conversation to your agenda on a fucking support thread? Are you actually that narcissistic or is it just a showing of a severe misogynist streak? Both, perhaps? I ask like I care. Don't be fooled. I absolutely don't.

    I am sick of posters like you, who could not give two shits for others' genuine and deeply hurt pain, and selfishly and cowardly seek to undermine victims with your wholly disposable and counter-productive input. Start your own bloody thread.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    In case you missed this earlier snafuk35
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Did some people miss this post? For future reference any debate outside the support vibe will be deleted. If anyone wants to start a thread debating the ins and outs, then start it elsewhere, NOT on this thread. End of. Fin. Full stop and for our American influenced readers, Period. Thank you.


    do NOT post in this thread again. Do so and I'll add to your long list of bans on this site. Do NOT reply on thread either. Just leave this thread alone. Your posts have been deleted. Any more will be also deleted.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Because of some recent off topic guff, this ladies anon post on the last page may have been missed so I repost it here.
    I am not brave enough to post this under my username, but I want to share my story nonetheless.

    Yes, I do think I've been sexually assaulted. I know that I have. When I was 18 years old, I naively shared a bed with one of my close male friends. We had been friends since we were 4 years old and I thought that I could trust him: I was wrong.
    While I was sleeping (or at least, he thought I was sleeping - I woke up and was frozen by fear), he undressed me and assaulted me. It was only when he climbed on top of me that I found the strength to push him off and leave the room.

    I didn't stay silent. I told my friends who were in the apartment and none of them reacted the way I thought they would. This boy had tried to rape me and had molested me in the process and yet, somehow, that was...ok? Justifications were thrown around that he had had too much to drink, or didn't know what he was doing. I was asked if I had done something to encourage him (how does one encourage something while asleep?). He said he couldn't remember anything happening and there was no sense of outrage towards him.

    Nothing remotely sexual had ever happened between this boy and I. We had never flirted, let alone kissed, and yet somehow the immediate reaction (of my male friends, at least), was that I must have done something to provoke him. Eventually they saw sense and broke off contact with him, but only after he admitted that he did remember the event taking place and had done it because he "felt like it" and I "was there".

    I'm not sure which has hurt me more: the act itself or the aftermath. I think mostly the aftermath, though. What happened has made me somewhat afraid of sexual experiences. I find it harder to trust men and I become detached from myself in intimate situations (of which I'd had none before it happened and have had few since). The aftermath, though, has left me so very angry. I'm angry with anyone I've told, because none of them have reacted with what I really needed: anger. Anger that this boy thought that because I was there beside him, he had the right to take advantage of me, humiliate me and degrade me.

    My self-esteem, which was never that solid, has hit an all-time low and even though what happened took place over two years ago, I am not over it. I am in counselling for the impact it has had on all parts of my life. It affected my relationship with my mother, my friendships, my school work and my self image.

    I know that people are trying to help when they say "it could have been worse". I know that it could have been worse and that I could have been raped, which is a horrendous thing to happen to anyone. But being told that made me suppress my pain for too long. It has taken me a very long time to accept that I am entitled to feel what I'm feeling and be upset at what happened to me.

    If I'm being honest, I spent quite some time wishing that I had been raped, because then there wouldn't be this grey area. (I know that that's a horrible thing to wish and I'm really not trying to make light of rape.) Sexual assault is not something that is taken very seriously in this country. I did not go to the Gardaí because I was afraid of how I would be treated in a legal case, but also by the people in my town. I'm not saying that the Gardaí would not have been supportive and the legal system wouldn't have helped me, but the perception of how it might be worse to say something than nothing is very scary, even if it's not true.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    snafuk35 banned for ignoring on thread instructions, ignoring the charter of this forum and for ignoring simple good sense. Posts deleted.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    snafuk35 wrote: »
    *SNIP*. Seriously Milli, feck it, you're wasting your fingers typing out replies. Some don't get it.

    Before this is deleted, I'll just clarify one particular point. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY on this thread, was saying that was rape. You really can't read if that's what you think those posts were saying. Also, the "drunken fumble" thing? Those were rapes if the girl was fall down drunk and not in a position to consent. Rape does not need to involve violence to be a rape.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭KamiKazeKitten


    just_someone, thank you for sharing your story with us, I'm so sorry this ever happened to you and your pain is completely just.

    What he tried to do was wrong, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Of course it could have been worse, but you have every right to be angry with him for what he did. I hope you come through this and feel better, you have nothing to be ashamed of.xx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Just_someone, I'm so sorry your friends reacted like that. I can only imagine how that must have compounded your hurt and bewilderment.

    Don't think that you were naive--you weren't. I have spent the night sleeping beside really good male friends and they were decent enough human beings that they didn't try to put their hands on me. It is not naive to trust someone you have known for 14 years and you should take no blame in what happened.

    I hope you are dealing with that okay now and know that there are good people who will believe what you say and who are outraged by what happened to you.

    If it helps, I'm so angry at what that git did to you, and am disgusted at those who made excuses for him.

    You can get over that trauma. It's not easy but it can be done. Sending you a virtual hug.x


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Solomon Shrilling Scam


    First I was shocked at the sheer number of stories.
    Now I'm shocked at the number of stories where the other men who knew what was going on didn't give a damn or tried to blame her too or thought it was all fine.

    Wow.
    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    bluewolf wrote: »
    First I was shocked at the sheer number of stories.
    Now I'm shocked at the number of stories where the other men who knew what was going on didn't give a damn or tried to blame her too or thought it was all fine.

    Wow.
    :(

    But I think its because they buy into the "rapist" stereotype - you know, the weirdo loner who cant make eye contact with a female who has thinly veiled anger issues and skulks around in alleyways, and could never land a girlfriend.

    In their heads it couldnt possibly be the sound fella that would help you all day to fix your car, or the fella who has all the hot women in a pub eyeing him up, or they quiet, intelligent lad in the group with the good job.

    The stereotype for the rapist that women and men alike recognise is the creepy looking bloke who hangs around alleyways. none of us expect it to be John from work or Seamus your mates boyfriend, or Mike your best mate from college, and we struggle to rationalise it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭LeeHoffmann


    Neyite, that´s one of the most spot-on posts/statements I´ve heard on this matter. Glad to know not everybody is an idiot on the subject. Sorry if that sounds harsh everyone, but that´s my genuine feeling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Dubhlinner


    I didn't stay silent. I told my friends who were in the apartment and none of them reacted the way I thought they would. This boy had tried to rape me and had molested me in the process and yet, somehow, that was...ok? Justifications were thrown around that he had had too much to drink, or didn't know what he was doing. I was asked if I had done something to encourage him (how does one encourage something while asleep?). He said he couldn't remember anything happening and there was no sense of outrage towards him.

    Nothing remotely sexual had ever happened between this boy and I. We had never flirted, let alone kissed, and yet somehow the immediate reaction (of my male friends, at least), was that I must have done something to provoke him. Eventually they saw sense and broke off contact with him, but only after he admitted that he did remember the event taking place and had done it because he "felt like it" and I "was there".

    I'm not sure which has hurt me more: the act itself or the aftermath. I think mostly the aftermath, though. What happened has made me somewhat afraid of sexual experiences. I find it harder to trust men and I become detached from myself in intimate situations (of which I'd had none before it happened and have had few since). The aftermath, though, has left me so very angry. I'm angry with anyone I've told, because none of them have reacted with what I really needed: anger. Anger that this boy thought that because I was there beside him, he had the right to take advantage of me, humiliate me and degrade me.

    I hope this may help with your hurt a bit about your friends. Its a very big thing that had happened. Your friends may have been affected by denial in the immediate aftermath. They probably did not know what to do, and if they were to do something they may have feared a physical confrontation. It sounds like an absolute nightmare scenario for them to be placed in and their response sounds very rabbit in headlights.

    By that I mean it was perhaps it was just a lot easier for them to question you, than go in and confront a guy who they knew would deny your accusations. Group mentality may have exacerbated this further.

    None of that is of any real comfort to you, the innocent victim, it may just help explain their reaction.

    I can completely understand your line of thinking, that you wish you'd been raped so there wouldn't have been a grey area. Its good that you now know you have every right to be furious. You're also right to be annoyed at people's reactions, but its worth remembering how uneducated people are about sexual assault and in that perspective try not to let it get you angry. That can turn to bitterness which could destroy you. I think you should talk to a professional about the anger.

    Also I'd jsut like to back up what Millicent said, it wasn't naive, it was a supposed friend of 14 years. That's not someone you're supposed to be wary of.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Misreading? You do realise you need to obtain consent from someone before you have sex with them? I do myself believe in implicit consent when you're in a situation with someone you know and trust but if you're just after meeting someone and are on a drunken night out then you need to obtain explicit and coherent consent from that person before you have sex with them.

    You seem to be skirting around the issue of why anyone would want to have sex with someone who's barely conscious, can I ask you about that again?

    in my opinion (as a guy) consent is when she is climbing onto you not when she is too blathered to know whats going on

    sex between two new lovers is passionate and firey not the act of lying there trying not to puke


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    I This boy had tried to rape me and had molested me in the process and yet, somehow, that was...ok? Justifications were thrown around that he had had too much to drink, or didn't know what he was doing. I was asked if I had done something to encourage him (how does one encourage something while asleep?).
    Tigger wrote: »
    i found a friend of mine locked drunk going no while this lad was undressing her in a bedroom at a party once

    i threw him down the stairs and he rolled and ran out the front door and by the time i got out the door he was gone


    and friends of his at the party started giving me grief and even when i explained and the girl explained there was an air of ******* is a nice bloke this is terrible what you did

    i hate people sometimes

    if i hadn't seen this exact thing with my own eyes i would be a different man now.

    i'd say men are not all like that but a lot of them seem to be.

    there are still men around with righteous anger and i don';t really befriend men that aren't anymore. creepy slimey apoligist baxtards the lot of them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 notstating


    Hi
    I have created a new name for this post and I won't be using it again, I post regularly on other sites and here and many would have discussed other issues with me. My sympathy goes out to all those who have been assaulted in this way.

    I don't need to go into any details, but this happens to men as well, my time was I believe through a spiked drink, i certainly don't believe i had drunk enough to have been as usless as I was on the night.
    I was away from home and went out to see a band, I got talking to a fellow who was also travelling alone and we shared a few pints, no signal was given either way and it was all normal, i think I even mentioned my girlfriend back at home a few times.
    However things wen't very badly after we got back to the hotel, suffice to say my memory is vague, but i remember enough and there were other obvious signs around my body the next day. I woke up in the wrong room and the guy was probably long gone.
    That was around 15 years ago, I am married now and a parent, I chose for a number of reasons to move on and forget it, this thread has been most uncomfertable. I took a test when i got home and was all clear, I just decided that i drank to much and made a mistake, But that was a lie, no man likes to admit he did not defend himself or was in this situation.

    I suppose I am saying that people should deal with things a bit better than i did and obviously be on gaurd, i don't realy know why i have posted here, good luck to all.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭boomkatalog


    notstating wrote: »
    Hi
    I have created a new name for this post and I won't be using it again, I post regularly on other sites and here and many would have discussed other issues with me. My sympathy goes out to all those who have been assaulted in this way.

    I don't need to go into any details, but this happens to men as well, my time was I believe through a spiked drink, i certainly don't believe i had drunk enough to have been as usless as I was on the night.
    I was away from home and went out to see a band, I got talking to a fellow who was also travelling alone and we shared a few pints, no signal was given either way and it was all normal, i think I even mentioned my girlfriend back at home a few times.
    However things wen't very badly after we got back to the hotel, suffice to say my memory is vague, but i remember enough and there were other obvious signs around my body the next day. I woke up in the wrong room and the guy was probably long gone.
    That was around 15 years ago, I am married now and a parent, I chose for a number of reasons to move on and forget it, this thread has been most uncomfertable. I took a test when i got home and was all clear, I just decided that i drank to much and made a mistake, But that was a lie, no man likes to admit he did not defend himself or was in this situation.

    I suppose I am saying that people should deal with things a bit better than i did and obviously be on gaurd, i don't realy know why i have posted here, good luck to all.

    I'm so sorry for what you've been through. Please don't feel responsible for the actions of that disgusting excuse for a human being.

    Thank you so much for posting, I know this is the Ladies Lounge but this thread is short on male contributions and your post may inspire others to post. It can be very therapeutic to get it off your chest.


Advertisement