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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #242
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    barrackali wrote: »
    There is no way the government are going to forget about this charge, there will be no back down.
    Probably not. And it probably won't even hurt them in a general election that is still a long way away. (Remember the claims that the new NCT and the smoking ban were going to do for the FF led governments? Wasn't even an election issue when it came to it).

    Of course there will be plenty of sh*t they will have to throw at us first. Presumably they hope to get much of this out of the way in the first couple of years. Though I have this suspicion that they will befall the same fate as Albert R. it will be some trivial thing that will do for them in the end.


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    #243
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    black francis wrote: »
    That's hardly my point now Paddy,.


    You posted it


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    #244
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    I don't think so. I think Dvpower is trying to confuse us.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

    See this, not implemented yet.
    I'm sure that wouldn't be possible.


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    #245
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    paddy147 wrote: »
    You posted it

    There may be a point somewhere in that post, but I'm fecked if I can see it.


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    #246
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    But you said 1 million had paid. Are you now backtracking?

    I didn't. Maybe it's a comprehension problem?


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    #247
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    lugha wrote: »
    Probably not. And it probably won't even hurt them in a general election that is still a long way away. (Remember the claims that the new NCT and the smoking ban were going to do for the FF led governments? Wasn't even an election issue when it came to it).

    Of course there will be plenty of sh*t they will have to throw at us first. Presumably they hope to get much of this out of the way in the first couple of years. Though I have this suspicion that they will befall the same fate as Albert R. it will be some trivial thing that will do for them in the end.

    Have you used the word 'us' in the context that your a member of the public, or a member of FG?

    Its not very clear, honestly.


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    #248
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Sirloin.

    All 100 euro spent (meal and some bits and bobs for me and for the house)

    Why didn't you give the money to Crumlin?


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    #249
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    I didn't. Maybe it's a comprehension problem?

    You do have a political way of phrasing your sentences for sure. It could be read either way. Very clever of you.


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    #250
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Have you used the word 'us' in the context that your a member of the public, or a member of FG?

    Its not very clear, honestly.

    Seemed pretty clear to me, but then I'm not prone to seeing blueshirts under the bed.


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    #251
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure what that software system is, but its not necessary for attachment orders.
    Attachment orders are currently used on a routine and widespread basis in this country. The Revenue Commissioners have direct powers, that they use on a day to day basis, for the Collector General's office to apply attachment orders, on the instruction of a Principal Officer.

    Nobody needs to go to jail. Anyone who finds themselves in front of a court will pay the fine.
    dvpower wrote: »
    No. The Revenue have no part to play in this at all (apart from sharing databases).
    My only reason for introducing the Revenue is as an example of where attachment orders are routine.
    dvpower wrote: »
    I'm sure that wouldn't be possible.

    You have not agreed the new system is needed and you know well it is needed. This has nothing to do with revenue office. It's ok to admit you made a mistake. I will if I made the mistake.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw


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    #252
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    black francis wrote: »
    Why didn't you give the money to Crumlin?


    I raised 300 euro for Crumlin Childrens Hospital at Christmass time.Its not much but its something and its all the little donations that count/add up to help save childrens lives.


    That would also be 300 euro more than Enda Kenny gave them.


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    #253
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Have you used the word 'us' in the context that your a member of the public, or a member of FG?.
    As a member of the public, obviously. I am not a member of any political party. What possible sh*t can the public throw at a political party (that has any effect) other than to dismiss them at election time???


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    #254
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »

    That would also be 300 euro more than Enda Kenny gave them.

    How would you possibly know that now?


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    #255
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I raised 300 euro for Crumlin Childrens Hospital at Christmass time.Its not much but its something and its all the little donations that count/add up to help save childrens lives.

    Well done.


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    #256
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    Seemed pretty clear to me, but then I'm not prone to seeing blueshirts under the bed.

    No, of course not.

    Your more 'prone' to stare down your nose at us, whilst urging us, and attempting to scaremonger us, while in the next breath, admitting to not paying 'law of the land' taxes yourself.

    Poll tax anyone?


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    #257
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    The people that paid that charge are cowardly sheep. I reckon they are now mostly ashamed.


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    #258
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    How would you possibly know that now?

    Rather than congratulating him on his fundraising achievement you raise this?


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    #259
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I raised 300 euro for Crumlin Childrens Hospital at Christmass time.Its not much but its something and its all the little donations that count/add up to help save childrens lives.


    That would also be 300 euro more than Enda Kenny gave them.

    As our Taoiseach, I'd prefer he was off in China hustling for business rather than doing fun-runs.


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    #260
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    lugha wrote: »
    As a member of the public, obviously. I am not a member of any political party. What possible sh*t can the public throw at a political party (that has any effect) other than to dismiss them at election time???

    Jeez, calm down.

    I did type the word honestly after my question.

    Thanks for clearing it up though.


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    #261
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    770,000 paid by 7pm, the numbers are soaring with 5 hours of counting(7pm-12am) to be released yet.
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-march-overshadows-taoiseachs-speech-545770.html
    The Local Government Management Agency said an estimated 770,980 householders had paid the household charge by 7pm today. The deadline to register is midnight.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html#article

    The majority of those liable(1.6m) paying is in sight yes?


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    #262
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    How would you possibly know that now?


    He is cutting back and taking funding away FFS.

    Enda Kenny James O'Leary are ruthless when it comes to situations like this.:mad:

    That is why the hospital is desperately trying to raise money from charity events to help save childrens lives.

    If my small amount of 300 euro does something good in that hospital,along with all other small donations,then I am a happy man.


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    #263
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    No, of course not.

    Your more 'prone' to stare down your nose at us, whilst urging us, and attempting to scaremonger us, while in the next breath, admitting to not paying 'law of the land' taxes yourself.

    Poll tax anyone?

    No bullying accusations then? Aww.

    Like I've already said - I'm more than happy with my position on the poll tax, and my position on the household charge.


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    #264
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Birroc wrote: »
    The people that paid that charge are cowardly sheep. I reckon they are now mostly ashamed.
    Can sheep feel shame? Or cowardice? :confused:

    It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P


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    #265
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Rather than congratulating him on his fundraising achievement you raise this?

    Fundraising you say?
    FUNDRAISER: A BENEFIT dinner attended by Taoiseach Enda Kenny raised more than half a million dollars for the children’s medical research foundation at Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin, on Wednesday night.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0217/1224311918306.html


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    #266
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    lugha wrote: »

    It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P

    and shills.


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    #267
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Birroc wrote: »
    The people that paid that charge are cowardly sheep. I reckon they are now mostly ashamed.

    I wouldn't say that. There are people who genuinely believe they are contributing to reducing our deficit and of course their are those who would rather not have paid but are worried they would end up in court. There was a woman from the Citizens Information Centre on radio during the week explaining that alot of the elderly people where frightened that Enda and Phil were going to send the heavies around. I wouldnt resort to name calling to be honest.


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    #268
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    black francis wrote: »
    As our Taoiseach, I'd prefer he was off in China hustling for business rather than doing fun-runs.

    I wonder when we have to learn Chinese then.

    Wonder when my Electric Ireland bill will be in Chinese??

    Or when my Coilte grown Christamss tree will come with Chinese instructions for errecting it and watering it.


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    #269
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    lugha wrote: »
    Can sheep feel shame? Or cowardice? :confused:

    It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P

    I'm just disappointed that 'sheeple' hasn't been wheeled out more. It's always a classic.


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    #270
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    gurramok wrote: »
    770,000 paid by 7pm, the numbers are soaring with 5 hours of counting(7pm-12am) to be released yet.
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-march-overshadows-taoiseachs-speech-545770.html


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html#article

    The majority of those liable(1.6m) paying is in sight yes?

    I cant see the 7pm reference on RTE's piece, (didnt check the other link)

    100,000 people to register in less than 2 hrs is pretty optimistic, no?


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    #271
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    Fundraising you say?



    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0217/1224311918306.html

    Where did I say Enda didn't fundraise? I'm talking about the OPs achievement which you glossed over.


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