Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

alastair

robbie7730 wrote: »

Point out where i posted about it before then mr final analysis:pac:

The biggest hypocrite i have seen on boards yet.

Aww diddums. No hypocrisy here.

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

Aww diddums. No hypocrisy here.

So, admitting to non compliance of a tax that was law of the land you resided in at the time, yet urging us all to register and pay an unjust charge because it's 'law of the land' here is not hypocrisy?


Comical perhaps?

Frank Black

robbie7730 wrote: »

Whatever the figures are, thats what they are. No one seems to have a definite answer.

So how come all the news channels quote %'s

lugha

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The point is there is 2 million homes as calculated by the Census Board unless they have made a huge mistake. If there is 2 million homes where have the 400,000 gone? Even if they are unoccupied they are still owned by developers/banks/Nama.

Is the figure of 1.6 million not the number who are liable to register for the charge, if not necessarily pay?

I'm sure someone can account for the anomaly. Until then I am sticking with a total of 1.6 million and will amuse myself by seeing if the "yes" side will hit 50% by midnight. It looks like it will be very close! (I was hoping to sate my competitive appetite with the Munster v Leinster game earlier but that was largely sh*te )

tayto lover

black francis wrote: »

It's quite funny, given the amount of times they accused RTE/the Goverenment of massaging the figures.

Not to mention the scaremongering of the elderly into paying.
BUT it seems to be ok to treat the elderly like that if you are a member of F.G. Not much different to someone mugging them or robbing their home.
F.G. should really be ashamed of themselves threatening to jail people for standing up to their unjust tax. Just as criminal as F.F. were in my opinion.

My name is URL

alastair wrote: »

Aww diddums. No hypocrisy here.

Care to address the question I last posed to you?

My name is URL wrote: »

So how exactly are they going to implement this further to what they already have done? You say that people won't be sent to jail, will you stand by that when the final straws have been clutched at, and the invariable threats of being sent to jail appear?

What are they going to do? Seriously.. recover it from source? If they do or even threaten to do so; then I'll stop paying and declaring myself liable to pay any other tax which is remotely possible to avoid.

I'm beyond giving a **** about the effect that has on everyone else, or on this joke of a republic.

ejmaztec

I've just paid those cunts €100 and will be ringing up Kerry County Council on Monday morning so that I can make an appointment for one of the Healy-Rae inbreds to kiss my arse.

alastair

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The point is there is 2 million homes as calculated by the Census Board unless they have made a huge mistake. If there is 2 million homes where have the 400,000 gone? Even if they are unoccupied they are still owned by developers/banks/Nama.

The census says 1.65 million privately occupied households. That's the figure that includes those liable to pay, and those exempted / with waivers. There's no mistake or mystery.

Bullseye1

Ghandee wrote: »

So, admitting to non compliance of a tax that was law of the land you resided in at the time, yet urging us all to register and pay an unjust charge because it's 'law of the land' here is not hypocrisy?


Comical perhaps?

Surely you jest? Where was this admission?

tayto lover

lugha wrote: »

Is the figure of 1.6 million not the number who are liable to register for the charge, if not necessarily pay?

I'm sure someone can account for the anomaly. Until then I am sticking with a total of 1.6 million and will amuse myself by seeing if the "yes" side will hit 50% by midnight. It looks like it will be very close! (I was hoping to sate my competitive appetite with the Munster v Leinster game earlier but that was largely sh*te )

Jesus you are proving yourself to be a little tax lover with that statement.
Want to pay mine ?

dvpower

ejmaztec wrote: »

I've just paid those cunts €100 and will be ringing up Kerry County Council on Monday morning so that I can make an appointment for one of the Healy-Rae inbreds to kiss my arse.

That's a 'full service' council. :eek:

Frank Black

alastair wrote: »

The census says 1.65 million privately occupied households. That's the figure that includes those liable to pay, and those exempted / with waivers. There's no mistake or mystery.

But aren't the unoccupied houses also liable for the charge?

Bullseye1

alastair wrote: »

The census says 1.65 million privately occupied households. That's the figure that includes those liable to pay, and those exempted / with waivers. There's no mistake or mystery.

Where in the household charge legislation did it say if a house is unoccupied they were exempt?

Bruthal

black francis wrote: »

So how come all the news channels quote %'s

Im not actually arguing against percentages though, or figures. Just saying if the census says there are 2 million houses, maybe there are. Thats all.

Bullseye1

black francis wrote: »

But aren't the unoccupied houses also liable for the charge?

That is my understanding as holiday homes which are unoccupied for large periods are liable to a €200 charge.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

So, admitting to non compliance of a tax that was law of the land you resided in at the time, yet urging us all to register and pay an unjust charge because it's 'law of the land' here is not hypocrisy?


Comical perhaps?

You seem to miss a couple of pertinent points:

1. It is indeed the law of the land. And a law introduced by a legitimate and democratically mandated government.

2. Unlike the poll tax, this tax is fair and enforceable. Just like the rates that poll tax attempted to replace.

3. I never urged anyone to pay on the basis of the tax being the law. I pointed out that it was lawful, unlike claims made by some others. I made clear that my support of the tax was on the basis of the good it would do.

Ghandee

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Surely you jest? Where was this admission?

Battery went dead on laptop bullseye, it's in the front sitting room charging now. I'm on my phone atm, but I'm serious.


Couldn't believe it myself I didn't know whether or not it was arrogance or stupidity at the time he revealed it.

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

You seem to miss a couple of pertinent points:

1. It is indeed the law of the land. And a law introduced by a legitimate and democratically mandated government.

2. Unlike the poll tax, this tax is fair and enforceable. Just like the rates that poll tax attempted to replace.

3. I never urged anyone to pay on the basis of the tax being the law. I pointed out that it was lawful, unlike claims made by some others. I made clear that my support of the tax was on the basis of the good it would do.

The "good it will do" will be in Germany and not here Alastair.

Dubit10

Can afford to pay 100 euro but i'm no idiot, i know this is only a way of getting me to pay the big bucks later on down the line which i don't have.

House is in my name all the bills in my wifes. Good luck Mr. Hogan finding me and bringing me to court.

tayto lover

Street sweeper out in Dundalk all week according to my brother. He hadn't seen them for weeks. F.G. pulling out all the stops to try and convince people of the "services".

lugha

tayto lover wrote: »

Jesus you are proving yourself to be a little tax lover with that statement.
Want to pay mine ?

What statement exactly?
And I though you were objecting in principle? Can't let someone else pay for you if that's the case.

Frank Black

Dubit10 wrote: »

House is in my name all the bills in my wifes. Good luck Mr. Hogan finding me and bringing me to court.

I'd be more worried about a huge tax liability building up on my home than a court appearance if I were you.

It's entirely up to you though.

tayto lover

lugha wrote: »

What statement exactly?
And I though you were objecting in principle? Can't let someone else pay for you if that's the case.

Well pay for a poor person then. There are plenty of them under this outfit.:D

Dubit10

black francis wrote: »

I'd be more worried about a huge tax liability building up on my home than a court appearance if I were you.

It's entirely up to you though.

That it is my friend and thank god we still have that choice in this nation. Won't be long before that's gone if the blueshirts get their way mind.

Frank Black

tayto lover wrote: »

Street sweeper out in Dundalk all week according to my brother. He hadn't seen them for weeks. F.G. pulling out all the stops to try and convince people of the "services".

Christ, the Dundalk street sweeper has been released!


I prayed this day would never come.

Bullseye1

black francis wrote: »

I'd be more worried about a huge tax liability building up on my home than a court appearance if I were you.

It's entirely up to you though.

If he didn't pay the charge for two years it would be less than €200 on top of the €100. Hardly huge.

Ghandee

black francis wrote: »

I'd be more worried about a huge tax liability building up on my home than a court appearance if I were you.

It's entirely up to you though.

Why?

It's called the household charge, not the household tax, as such, revenue are powerless to pursue you, and prob couldn't care less if truth be known.

Frank Black

Ghandee wrote: »

Why?

It's called the household charge, not the household tax, as such, revenue are powerless to pursue you, and prob couldn't care less if truth be known.

Yep, and the property tax comes in soon, all penalties from the charge will be rolled over.

squod

1.78 million homes............

770,980 households have signed up either to pay for the €100 charge, or to get their waiver. That’s roughly half of the eligible households.

1.78million, divided by two......... eh?

Frank Black

squod wrote: »

1.78 million homes............



1.78million, divided by two......... eh?

It's at 790,000 now according to RTE.