Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] Poll Reset

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 8:45pm

paddy147 wrote: »

And then Im a law breaker/criminal too.

Paddy, I hope they throw away the key.....:D

Ghandee · 31-03-2012 8:46pm

MagicSean wrote: »

i would say that there will be at least 1 million by the end of next week with delayed post and late payers.

I would say that Ireland will invade Germany by the end of the week.

Doesnt mean sh1t though, sorry to be blunt.

steve9859 · 31-03-2012 8:47pm

alastair wrote: »

As is usual - incomplete payments will be returned as, eh, incomplete - from midnight the tenner is added on (not an optional extra).

hmmmm, that's going to work well. I pay €100 in 6 months time, and the government are faced with spending more than a tenner chasing up my tenner. That's a good system, eh.....

lugha · 31-03-2012 8:47pm

Ghandee wrote: »

Source?

You know the source. Those lying, cheating, etc etc.

(You should get a hillbilly to write a song for you. :pac:)

Bullseye1 · 31-03-2012 8:47pm

There will be alot of people bidding their time to see how many paid. Don't forget alot of people got burned on the water charge. And they never got a refund.

lugha wrote: »

It might be, but it would hardly be justified. There isn't a very good reason for someone who had intended to pay but couldn't be arsed doing it on time!

There is I suppose an unknown number who probably didn't feel to strong one way or the other about this charge and were going to pay but were waiting to see how things panned out. They might take the chance to save a couple of quid.

alastair · 31-03-2012 8:47pm

Ghandee wrote: »

The offical figure from a lying, cheating, u-turning Govt?

Whatever - we've passed the magic million mark. Time to let go of the CAPITALISATION.

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 8:47pm

alastair wrote: »

That includes exempt and waiver households.

In that case, compliance rates for those who are liable look like it's over 55%!

paddy147 · 31-03-2012 8:47pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Paddy, I hope they throw away the key.....:D

Maximum Security or Walk in Walk out?:;)

3 free meals a day,free studies/education and a degree too.

Sweet.

Wonder how much that will cost me???:D

thebostoncrab · 31-03-2012 8:48pm

Ghandee wrote: »

thebostoncrab wrote: »

The website is the buisiest tonight it has ever been, there are huge numbers registering for the charge. Before midnight you're looking at almost 800,000 at this rate.

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

Source?

Buddy of mine works there, decided to ask how it's going and that's what I got back.

I'm a CSO head so I'm clean

alastair · 31-03-2012 8:48pm

steve9859 wrote: »

hmmmm, that's going to work well. I pay €100 in 6 months time, and the government are faced with spending more than a tenner chasing up my tenner. That's a good system, eh.....

You could always just pay what you owe?

Bullseye1 · 31-03-2012 8:49pm

alastair wrote: »

Whatever - we've passed the magic million mark. Time to let go of the CAPITALISATION.

Where is the 1 million figure reported?

dvpower · 31-03-2012 8:49pm

hondasam wrote: »

No I don't doubt it but was not aware they could take fines from your wages.
why the need for new legislation if it's in place all ready

Revenue have powers that weren't available to other agencies - nothing too unusual there.

If anything is unusual, its the fact that it is taking up to now to introduce this sensible measure to normal fines.

alastair · 31-03-2012 8:50pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

So your owed €110 and someone posts you €100 you return the cheque. Are you sure your working the private sector? LOL

If I get an incomplete payment, I'd sort it out sharpish - I certainly don't negotiate after invoicing.

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 8:50pm

Ghandee wrote: »

I would say that Ireland will invade Germany by the end of the week.

Doesnt mean sh1t though, sorry to be blunt.

It means Magicsean is better at predicting the future than you.

MisterEpicurus · 31-03-2012 8:50pm

Look, however annoying, just pay it...

Ghandee · 31-03-2012 8:51pm

dvpower wrote: »

Revenue have powers that weren't available to other agencies - nothing too unusual there.

If anything is unusual, its the fact that it is taking up to now to introduce this sensible measure to normal fines.

Do revenue have the power to chase you on a household charge as it is not a household tax?

Genuine question.

Bullseye1 · 31-03-2012 8:51pm

alastair wrote: »

If I get an incomplete payment, I'd sort it out sharpish - I certainly don't negotiate after invoicing.

€10 really? Are you sure your in the private sector and working in 2012?

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 8:51pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Paddy, I hope they throw away the key.....:D

They wont need a key, dangerous criminals like paddy are put in open prison.

alastair · 31-03-2012 8:51pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Where is the 1 million figure reported?

less that a million now have to pay - it's not exactly newsworthy info.

hondasam · 31-03-2012 8:51pm

dvpower wrote: »

Revenue have powers that weren't available to other agencies - nothing too unusual there.

If anything is unusual, its the fact that it is taking up to now to introduce this sensible measure to normal fines.

You are saying Revenue could only take tax fines? They could not deduct just any fine, is this correct?

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 8:52pm

dvpower wrote: »

Revenue have powers that weren't available to other agencies - nothing too unusual there.

If anything is unusual, its the fact that it is taking up to now to introduce this sensible measure to normal fines.

I wonder how much in 'normal fines' isn't collected each year?

Ghandee · 31-03-2012 8:52pm

black francis wrote: »

It means Magicsean is better at predicting the future than you.

My daddys stronger than your daddy Francis.:rolleyes:

alastair · 31-03-2012 8:52pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

€10 really? Are you sure your in the private sector and working in 2012?

On the basis of principle - of course not.

paddy147 · 31-03-2012 8:53pm

robbie7730 wrote: »

They wont need a key, dangerous criminals like paddy are put in open prison.

Yep,its true.

Im so dangerious that no prison cell can hold me......;):D (think about it).

hondasam · 31-03-2012 8:53pm

Ghandee wrote: »

Do revenue have the power to chase you on a household charge as it is not a household tax?

Genuine question.

I don't think so. I think Dvpower is trying to confuse us.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

See this, not implemented yet.

barrackali · 31-03-2012 8:54pm

So much for a majority not paying the charge...what a laugh. Many of the people who followed idiots like Clare Daly will be running down to pay the charge over the coming weeks/months. Property taxes are a way of life in other countries....get used to it. There is no way the government are going to forget about this charge, there will be no back down. I can't wait to hear people ringing in on Joe Duffy when they start deducting the charge from their incomes.

paddy147 · 31-03-2012 8:54pm

alastair wrote: »

less that a million now have to pay - it's not exactly newsworthy info.

Oh but it is,if you comment on it...terminator.

tayto lover · 31-03-2012 8:55pm

MagicSean wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you know what happens to someone who doesn't pay a court fine. Penal warrant followed by three hots and a pot. That's just the fine. There is still the original charge pluse interest and penalty. They will likely deduct this at source for social welfare and public sector employees and through tax credits for everyone else. And I've no doubt that they will use the level of non payment as an excuse for some more cuts in the next budget.

That will not help their cause one iota. It will just turn more people against them and lead to a bitter campaign where the people will eventually turn against them and protests will occur.
Attacking the ownership of a man's home is not the way.
I know most of you Public Servants have to pay because you fear the consequences but the rest of us will fight this.

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 8:56pm

barrackali wrote: »

So much for a majority not paying the charge...what a laugh. Many of the people who followed idiots like Clare Daly will be running down to pay the charge over the coming weeks/months. Property taxes are a way of life in other countries....get used to it. There is no way the government are going to forget about this charge, there will be no back down. I can't wait to hear people ringing in on Joe Duffy when they start deducting the charge from their incomes.

Wonder will Ray Darcy pay the fines for all his listeners, who he urged to send the money to Crumlin Hospital instead!

paddy147 · 31-03-2012 8:57pm

black francis wrote: »

Wonder will Ray Darcy pay the fines for all his listeners, who he urged to send the money to Crumlin Hospital instead!

Crumlin Hospital actually NEEDS the money to help save childrens lives.

But you would rather line Endas pockets than save a childs life.

You have a heart of gold..

squod · 31-03-2012 8:57pm

barrackali wrote: »

So much for a majority not paying the charge...what a laugh. Many of the people who followed idiots like Clare Daly will be running down to pay the charge over the coming weeks/months. Property taxes are a way of life in other countries....get used to it. There is no way the government are going to forget about this charge, there will be no back down. I can't wait to hear people ringing in on Joe Duffy when they start deducting the charge from their incomes.

Blah, blah, blah. Majority didn't pay. Get over it.

Ghandee · 31-03-2012 8:58pm

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think so. I think Dvpower is trying to confuse us.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

See this, not implemented yet.

Hence why he hasnt ansered the last two questions I put to him.

tayto lover · 31-03-2012 8:58pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

200,000 homes have gone missing. LOL

Mine is one of them ha ha

Le_Dieux · 31-03-2012 8:58pm

thebostoncrab wrote: »

The website is the buisiest tonight it has ever been, there are huge numbers registering for the charge. Before midnight you're looking at almost 800,000 at this rate.

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

I don't care. For a 'man' to make the patriotic reference statement he did on tv tonight, is an abomination. I'm no less patriotic by not paying this HT as the bloke who has paid it.

barrackali · 31-03-2012 8:58pm

squod wrote: »

Blah, blah, blah. Majority didn't pay. Get over it.

Have you not seen the latest stats????? I think you need to do some research.

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 8:58pm

paddy147 wrote: »

Crumlin Hospital actually NEEDS the money to help save childrens lives.

That's hardly my point now Paddy, though I suspect you know this already.

Bullseye1 · 31-03-2012 8:59pm

alastair wrote: »

less that a million now have to pay - it's not exactly newsworthy info.

But you said 1 million had paid. Are you now backtracking?

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 9:00pm

barrackali wrote: »

I can't wait to hear people ringing in on Joe Duffy when they start deducting the charge from their incomes.

God, you must have a really sad life!

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 9:00pm

paddy147 wrote: »

But you would rather line Endas pockets than save a childs life.

You have a heart of gold..

:rolleyes:

dvpower · 31-03-2012 9:00pm

Ghandee wrote: »

Do revenue have the power to chase you on a household charge as it is not a household tax?

Genuine question.

No. The Revenue have no part to play in this at all (apart from sharing databases).
My only reason for introducing the Revenue is as an example of where attachment orders are routine.

lugha · 31-03-2012 9:01pm

barrackali wrote: »

There is no way the government are going to forget about this charge, there will be no back down.

Probably not. And it probably won't even hurt them in a general election that is still a long way away. (Remember the claims that the new NCT and the smoking ban were going to do for the FF led governments? Wasn't even an election issue when it came to it).

Of course there will be plenty of sh*t they will have to throw at us first. Presumably they hope to get much of this out of the way in the first couple of years. Though I have this suspicion that they will befall the same fate as Albert R. it will be some trivial thing that will do for them in the end.

paddy147 · 31-03-2012 9:01pm

black francis wrote: »

That's hardly my point now Paddy,.

You posted it

dvpower · 31-03-2012 9:02pm

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think so. I think Dvpower is trying to confuse us.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

See this, not implemented yet.

I'm sure that wouldn't be possible.

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 9:03pm

paddy147 wrote: »

You posted it

There may be a point somewhere in that post, but I'm fecked if I can see it.

alastair · 31-03-2012 9:04pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

But you said 1 million had paid. Are you now backtracking?

I didn't. Maybe it's a comprehension problem?

Ghandee · 31-03-2012 9:04pm

lugha wrote: »

Probably not. And it probably won't even hurt them in a general election that is still a long way away. (Remember the claims that the new NCT and the smoking ban were going to do for the FF led governments? Wasn't even an election issue when it came to it).

Of course there will be plenty of sh*t they will have to throw at us first. Presumably they hope to get much of this out of the way in the first couple of years. Though I have this suspicion that they will befall the same fate as Albert R. it will be some trivial thing that will do for them in the end.

Have you used the word 'us' in the context that your a member of the public, or a member of FG?

Its not very clear, honestly.

Frank Black · 31-03-2012 9:06pm

paddy147 wrote: »

Sirloin.

All 100 euro spent (meal and some bits and bobs for me and for the house)

Why didn't you give the money to Crumlin?

Bullseye1 · 31-03-2012 9:06pm

alastair wrote: »

I didn't. Maybe it's a comprehension problem?

You do have a political way of phrasing your sentences for sure. It could be read either way. Very clever of you.

alastair · 31-03-2012 9:06pm

Ghandee wrote: »

Have you used the word 'us' in the context that your a member of the public, or a member of FG?

Its not very clear, honestly.

Seemed pretty clear to me, but then I'm not prone to seeing blueshirts under the bed.

hondasam · 31-03-2012 9:08pm

dvpower wrote: »

I'm not quite sure what that software system is, but its not necessary for attachment orders.
Attachment orders are currently used on a routine and widespread basis in this country. The Revenue Commissioners have direct powers, that they use on a day to day basis, for the Collector General's office to apply attachment orders, on the instruction of a Principal Officer.

Nobody needs to go to jail. Anyone who finds themselves in front of a court will pay the fine.

dvpower wrote: »

No. The Revenue have no part to play in this at all (apart from sharing databases).
My only reason for introducing the Revenue is as an example of where attachment orders are routine.

dvpower wrote: »

I'm sure that wouldn't be possible.

You have not agreed the new system is needed and you know well it is needed. This has nothing to do with revenue office. It's ok to admit you made a mistake. I will if I made the mistake.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

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