Girl accuses lad of raping her, lad ends up murdered.

whatever2012 · 02-03-2012 11:15PM

hondasam wrote: »

She accused someone of rape, this is nasty and unforgivable, her only saving grace is she told the truth eventually and everyone knows he was not a rapist.
People can make up all the excuses in the world for her but it will not change what happened. Her age at the time has some bearing, she was immature but should have known that her lie would cause trouble.

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hondasam · 02-03-2012 11:15PM

whatever2012 wrote: »

And thats the problem she should have been advised to keep the lie and not tell the lyne family and the world cos comming clean isnt the way to go,

Hardly seems fair to let his family and fiends think he is a rapist.

whatever2012 · 02-03-2012 11:16PM

booboo88 wrote: »

is this really all you can come out with? if someone doesn't agree with you you tell them to grow up?

Listen i know very few agree with me but i think its sad that YOU ALL believe whats in the paper

BarackPyjama · 02-03-2012 11:17PM

whatever2012 wrote: »

how do you know she didnt ??? COS THE PAPER NEVER SAID IT

So why not regale us with your version of what happened? What do you know that the rest of us don't. Please enlighten us. Either that or stop defending a vile scumbag of a human being who's responsible for the death of an innocent man.

hondasam · 02-03-2012 11:17PM

whatever2012 wrote: »

She wasnt even around she was in hospital

Sorry I dunno what you mean by this, did she not say he raped her? Is this not why he got stabbed? If there is something we do not know then fair enough.

goat2 · 02-03-2012 11:17PM

whatever2012 wrote: »

And thats the problem she should have been advised to keep the lie and not tell the lyne family and the world cos comming clean isnt the way to go, look i do have inside info and that is why i am so annoyed and a child 15 year old is the scape goat, i wish i could share all i know but if i did you would all twist it so i wont thanks, best of luck raising your kids in this world and dont forget them who judge will also be judged
Sorry im not being smart but you never know whats on the way, just put yourself in her shoes and her mothers as your are a parent

thanks for this,
sorry for offending you,
my guess is, the truth will come out in the end.

Liam Byrne · 02-03-2012 11:17PM

booboo88 wrote: »

whatever2012 wrote: »

No cos he is a killer, i have heard of people close to me being raped but i killed no one grow up,

is this really all you can come out with? if someone doesn't agree with you you tell them to grow up?

Be grateful - it's a huge improvement from earlier!

booboo88 · 02-03-2012 11:17PM

whatever2012 wrote: »

Listen i know very few agree with me but i think its sad that YOU ALL believe whats in the paper

And you know better?

Feeona · 02-03-2012 11:18PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

The poor little mite. Would you not leave her alone? Sure she's a lovely little Oirish princess and she's wonderful. She just wants to put this whole unfortunate episode behind her and go home to watch Sex and the City. Sure isn't she a victim? The only people that died were men. And sure f**k them. Was only a matter of time before they raped someone anyway, let's face it.

That's some conversation you have going on in your head.

Dudess · 02-03-2012 11:18PM

BarackPyjama wrote: »

The poor little mite. Would you not leave her alone? Sure she's a lovely little Oirish princess and she's wonderful. She just wants to put this whole unfortunate episode behind her and go home to watch Sex and the City. Sure isn't she a victim? The only people that died were men. And sure f**k them. Was only a matter of time before they raped someone anyway, let's face it.

I'm not seeing how anyone's take is remotely like the above...

Anyway, I don't think it matters that she was only 15 - at 15 you know well the gravity of accusing someone of rape. The way some people seem to think she could have predicted the murder is just silly - highly doubtful she expected that to be the outcome, but nevertheless, it's an utterly evil, psycho thing to do, and even if murder won't be the outcome, the destruction of a person's reputation and life is pretty much a sure thing.

I think she should face consequences but hardly conspiracy to murder, seeing as she didn't "conspire to murder". The lowlife who did the killing is the only one responsible for the killing. An ability to see into the future is the only factor that would deem her also responsible for the murder.

BarackPyjama · 02-03-2012 11:22PM

Feeona wrote: »

That's some conversation you have going on in your head.

Sarcasm. Lowest form of wit I know but in the face of pure idiocy it's hard to know what to type.

Micky Dolenz · 02-03-2012 11:24PM

Time out time

Will reopen.

KeithM89_old · 03-03-2012 01:13AM

Thread Re-opened.

However, please dont quote or continue to discuss any posts made by 'whatever2012' , thanks.

starbelgrade · 03-03-2012 01:18AM

Creamsoda wrote: »

Well seeing as you have over 18000 post in less than 5 years I'm guessing you have plenty of free time to take an extra few seconds to click on a link without it having any real effect on your life.

If you act catty, don't be surprised if you end up choking on a fur ball.

goat2 · 03-03-2012 01:19AM

they were all very young, very sad for all,

Liam Byrne · 03-03-2012 01:24AM

Dudess wrote: »

I think she should face consequences but hardly conspiracy to murder, seeing as she didn't "conspire to murder". The lowlife who did the killing is the only one responsible for the killing. An ability to see into the future is the only factor that would deem her also responsible.

I don't agree. "incitement to hatred", "slander" and "false witness" are all crimes, and she is guilty of all three.

Given that the false accusation is one subject where most people would understand (if maybe not quite condone) a violent reaction towards a genuine perpetrator, she created an absolute minefield.

Dudess · 03-03-2012 01:40AM

Well I only said she's not guilty of murder or conspiracy to murder, or manslaughter, I didn't say she's not guilty of other crimes.

lastlaugh · 03-03-2012 01:49AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Killing someone who has (actually) raped someone is actually less "bad" than falsely accusing someone of rape, in my eyes.

As I said above, I'd do the first, but not the second.

Do you still stand by this retarded comment?

If you do, what lenght of prison sentence would you give for;

a. Murder

b. A nasty and immature lie

Give an honest answer now.

'actually less "bad"', you've outdone yourself this time.

BarackPyjama · 03-03-2012 01:53AM

Dudess wrote: »

Well I only said she's not guilty of murder or conspiracy to murder, or manslaughter, I didn't say she's not guilty of other crimes.

She's guilty of trying to destroy a life. As it happened, she ended up being indirectly responsible for actually ending one. She's utter filth.

hondasam · 03-03-2012 02:01AM

Dudess wrote: »

Anyway, I don't think it matters that she was only 15 - at 15 you know well the gravity of accusing someone of rape. The way some people seem to think she could have predicted the murder is just silly - highly doubtful she expected that to be the outcome, but nevertheless, it's an utterly evil, psycho thing to do, and even if murder won't be the outcome, the destruction of a person's reputation and life is pretty much a sure thing.

I think she should face consequences but hardly conspiracy to murder, seeing as she didn't "conspire to murder". The lowlife who did the killing is the only one responsible for the killing. An ability to see into the future is the only factor that would deem her also responsible for the murder.

I was reading some of the reporting on it and it feels like we don't have the full story, I don't think she thought her boyfriend would kill the lad, maybe do something but not murder.
One piece I read was they believed he was "raping girls" is there more to it, we will have to wait and see.

Dudess · 03-03-2012 02:04AM

Yeah, I'm not seeing where I said anything to refute that she's guilty of something utterly heinous, and she is indeed indirectly responsible for a death (not that she could have known for definite that's what would happen though) but a court is not going to convict her of murder or manslaughter or conspiracy to murder... because she didn't commit those things. That's not a defence, just the reality.

But I hope there will be consequences for her. Living with what she did and what the outcome was is no doubt tormenting her though, not that it shouldn't.

Horrendous case - I worked with a cousin of the deceased, remember it well.

Dudess · 03-03-2012 02:19AM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Killing someone who has (actually) raped someone is actually less "bad" than falsely accusing someone of rape, in my eyes.

As I said above, I'd do the first, but not the second.

Do you still stand by this retarded comment?

If you do, what lenght of prison sentence would you give for;

a. Murder

b. A nasty and immature lie

Give an honest answer now.

'actually less "bad"', you've outdone yourself this time.

Well I agree ending a life is worse than ruining a life, but I guess in this case, intention is what's being referred to. To kill someone for raping is not to be condoned, but done out of rage and devastation for a loved one; to falsely accuse someone of rape is underhand and malicious and an assault on their life and character and reputation.

Blatter · 03-03-2012 02:23AM

The other thing that has to be said (unless she was caught out and backed into a corner) was that the girl deserves some credit for admitting that she lied.

It obviously doesn't excuse what she did, which was a disgusting thing to do and she should still be punished for it, but owning up would be a difficult thing to do in this situation (again, unless she was forced to after contradicting herself or evidence showed she was lying)

K-9 · 03-03-2012 03:33AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Killing someone who has (actually) raped someone is actually less "bad" than falsely accusing someone of rape, in my eyes.

You realise this is how the young lad who actually murdered the falsely and innocent party in all of this, probably felt?

AS far as he knew, his friend was raped, and he took the heroic, as so often seen on AH defence, kill the fecker!

FFS, this is the whole reason us "liberal, pc, do gooders" advocate things like no death penalty, a fair trial, even if it is biased towards "scumbags". An innocent party getting murdered or sent to prison is worth far more than "kill the ba*tard", meaningless, Neanderthal, "Alpha Male" outrage.

Yep the law is too soft on real criminals but cases like this are, exactly why the forces of law and order have to be let do their thing. Otherwise we've a society consisting largely of AH type Alpha Males and innocent victims are regarded as collateral, friendly fire as it were.

The only way we know somebody, using your words "actually" did something is through a trial, even then we aren't 100% certain. At that stage they usually get a prison scentence, not a punishment beating.

Leeg17 · 03-03-2012 04:30AM

This is an ongoing case so we'll cease discussion on it until it's over.

Lee.

Girl accuses lad of raping her, lad ends up murdered.

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