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Half Iron Elvis

  • 03-11-2011 12:52pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭


    After getting though a few triathlons and learning to swim i decided to attack a dream and run a marathon.

    Along the way i found out i have type 2 diabetes and will have to change my diet and training to get the best reasults while managing my illness and getting my weight down.

    When i started my 1st journey in March of this year i weighed 245 pounds. At the last weigh in last week i was down to 219 pounds so its droppin

    That was done on Monday in DCM and now i need a new focus.

    With that i shall ( fanfair please ) make my intent be known to do a Half Iron Man in 2012.

    I'm looking at the Hembert Challenge in Swinford in late July 2012.

    As usual with me the swimming will be the hard part and thats my main focus until jan 2012.

    I still hope to run the Waterford half on Dec 10 ( if work allows ) but swim swim swim is what i need to really work on.

    Tonight i'll relax with my wife and have a glass of wine and tomorrow at lunch i'll be in the pool doing a gentle recovery swim with a view to the hard work starting on Monday evening at 4.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Good luck with the new challenge. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Well the madness continues.

    I just entered Connemarathon 2012 on April 1st.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Well I just entered the Waterford Half based on your post about it, but I aint doing this one as well, hero worship will only take me so far! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Oryx wrote: »
    Well I just entered the Waterford Half based on your post about it, but I aint doing this one as well, hero worship will only take me so far! :)

    I'll do it if works suits, i get a lot of day work in December so it might get in the way. I'll keep training for it anyway and if i can't do it i'll run a half on the Sunday myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Amazing i just got a text to keep myself free for a day gig on Dec 10th :D

    I think i might do a 10k the week before:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Another busy weekend work wise, 2 gigs today and so on my feet for 10 to 12 hrs solid.

    I have to sort out fuel for the fire in the morning and i'll get back on the road with a nice 6k which is my usual route.

    Plan then for the week is.

    Monday.....Swim
    Tuesday.....Trilates
    Wen.........turbo
    Thurs......Swim
    Fri.....Run
    Sat.......off ( another double gig day )
    Sun.......10k local race at a slow pace.


    Also from monday i'm starting to focus a lot more on portion size and diet re my diabetes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭snailsong


    Best of luck with the log and with the plans. Learning to swim properly is on my to do list also, if I could I'd try a triathlon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Work and training causing problems already:D

    Got out today for my 1st run since the marathon and i only did 5k. Legs were kind of heavy and it was such a big shock not to be able to push it after a week off the roads.

    No triatles tonight as i don't want to do too much too quick.

    Operation portion size is in in full swing and now having my dinners on smaller plates, a measured portion of porridge for breakfast, having less for lunch.

    I'll keep an eye on my blood sugars and really want to get an extra bit of weight down for christmas and for once keep my training going over the winter for once.

    Tomorrow i'll be swimming instead of the turbo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Work, work, work, work, work............yep in November i'm out the door.

    My weekend begun at 6 PM on Sunday. I was working day and night until then so no exercise at all.

    Back at it last night with a great pilates class run by my tri club. WOW, some really good stretches and work on the spine. I feel it in my legs today but i enjoyed it and will do it more often i think.

    I shall be swimming after work tomorrow night before i go do another gig:rolleyes:

    I'm out for dinner on Saturday but i hope to get a run in before that.

    Might turbo tonight if i get the kids to bed !

    Anyway the class got me back in my groove and itching to get back after the post marathon rest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Best of luck Elvis.

    I've similar 2012 goals myself and although I could always swim, I've only recently started to 'train' which basically consists of doing lengths repeatedly with no target.

    What sort of swim training are you doing?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    nerraw sorry for the delay.

    At the moment its just about leagths until Jan and then i'll try and put together something that will kick me on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Took another week off after the marathon and i think my body needed it.

    Back at it this week and did a club pilates class on Tuesday which was rather hard. Great for stretching and get go the sweat pumping out of me as well.

    Today i put on the runners and hit the road, chest wasn't great and 7k was a struggle. I did 1k warm up, core 5k and 1k warm down.

    5k took 28:30 so the chest slowed me down a lot. I might have to ease off again:(

    I'm going to the pool for a light swim tomorrow and sauna afterwards as well.

    Plan is to tick over in December and not put on any weight over Christmas. Then to up it in Jan with a lot more swimming and long runs at the weekend building to my first goal for the year Connamarathon on April 1st.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Which race are you doing in Conn Elvis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Which race are you doing in Conn Elvis?

    Just the 26.2:D

    Looking forward to it, it gives me an early season goal to work towards !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭meathcountysec


    On first glance at your log title I thought it said Half Ton Elvis :D Good luck with your new log and goals. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    On first glance at your log title I thought it said Half Ton Elvis :D Good luck with your new log and goals. ;)

    Well so far i'll ost 40 pounds so i wasn't far off that to start off with;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Hey Elvis you doing the portlaois tri the week after Connemara?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Hey Elvis you doing the portlaois tri the week after Connemara?

    Nope,

    my wife is thinking of doing it so i'll be on the mic, Joey Hannon wil be my 1st of the year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Training has been hard with work, kids sick, life getting in the way if truth be told.

    Jan is a quiet month for me so back at it with 6.5k run this morning which my chest found hard but I kept pushing.

    Spinning in back on Tuesday with my club so I'll be doing that. Back in the pool on wen as well.

    Only kind of thing i've asked of myself in 2012 is to get up and out the door earlier which will allow more training and free up family time.

    My goals for 2012 are to keep training at a constant level with as little breaks as possible and with that to shift more weight and do the Humbert challenge on July 22.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    a few days into 2012 and lots of reflection and thought about the year ahead.

    A lot of thinking about goals, wants, ambitions and how i felt at the end of 2011.

    Ok last year i did my 1st triathlon, ran my 1st marathon, got some more weight down BUT it wasn't enough. I wasn't focused enough, i set the bar too low.

    I've thought about it a lot and the more goals i have to focus on the more i train, the better i eat and the happier i am.

    I'm reading a book and they mention going to bed exhausted, not the type from work or your general day where your stressed. But the type when you lie down and the body aches from a good work out and sleep comes through the need to get the body ready to do it all again the next day.

    Thats the feeling i want.

    I watch operation transformation last night and i could be on that.......i can run a marathon yet i can be on a programme like that.

    At the moment i won't set any amazing times in any race, i'm getting fitter but carrying extra weight that slows me down.

    Thats why i'm throwing myself into a number of races this year to stay focused on training, get the weight down and leave me in a better position to do some decent times.

    My diet is good with the change after diabetes and this will be my 1st full year of dealing with it in training and perhaps my meds will change later in the year if all this work doesn't lead to weight loss.


    So far i have the following my head

    Connamarathon
    Joey Hannon ( sprint )
    Tri Athlone ( Olympic )
    Humbert Challenge ( half iron )
    Longford Marathon
    Eddie Murphy 30 mile.

    Some feedback or thought would be great also.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Also meant to add

    6.5k run yesterday at lunch, felt good and chest was a little better. I don't want to push it with two days in a row yet because of my chest so out again in the morning for the same.

    Starting more meds for my chest today so fingers crossed they will get my through, i have yet to have a full Jan training and really intend to do it this year.

    Sunday morning is penned in for LSR and starting with 14 to 16 k to get back to normal.

    Next week will be busier will spinning and coached spinning added to the schedule.

    I have a running schedule in my head for Jan and Feb which should work out fine as dj work is quiet.

    Monday 6k
    Wen 10 to 16k ( building )
    Thurs 6k
    Sat LSR building towards April 1.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Get yourself on the swim bike run challenge. Its great for comparing how youre doing and giving you a bit more drive. :)

    Otherwise just, good luck with it all.

    Ps. Any idea when joey hannan opens?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Oryx wrote: »
    Get yourself on the swim bike run challenge. Its great for comparing how youre doing and giving you a bit more drive. :)

    Otherwise just, good luck with it all.

    Ps. Any idea when joey hannan opens?

    No idea but the club normally give a heads up, i'd like to do the Olympic but too close to Connamarathon and not enpugh swimming done.

    I'm on the running challenge and want to do the 1,000 miles by sept so thats a good focus as 580 is as far as i;ve got before. But as i said haven't had a Jan of training yet so that will lift the spirits and help with motivation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Garmin was dead today, i think i forgot to turn it off on Wen:o

    Anyway did a route i know is roughly 5.5k.

    Felt good and chest is improving slowly. Started new meds today so fingers crossed they'll kick in soon.

    My man cave was used as storage unit over Christmas and am having it cleaned out so i can use it to do a turbo session. I hope to do my 1st on Sunday.

    LSR planned for tomorrow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭jester1980


    Hey Elvis, good luck with everything, i seem to have very similar races planned for this year, Connemarathon, Swinford and had hoped to do another Marathon then. When is Longford on, i was planning on Dublin in OCT but date is not ideal so wouldnt mind another option.

    I met you in my first Triathlon last year at Tri Athy, assume your working at that again. The wife is going to try that this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    jester1980 wrote: »
    Hey Elvis, good luck with everything, i seem to have very similar races planned for this year, Connemarathon, Swinford and had hoped to do another Marathon then. When is Longford on, i was planning on Dublin in OCT but date is not ideal so wouldnt mind another option.

    I met you in my first Triathlon last year at Tri Athy, assume your working at that again. The wife is going to try that this year.

    Longford is the last weekend in Aug and only 4 weeks after Swinford but i'll be at marathon fitness levels so i'll get around the course. Its where i'm from so one i really want to do this year.

    I am indeed working at in ( i think ) and it should be some weekend as its a national series race this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Had a chance meeting with my doc last night and he advised against 16k today with me being on meds etc. So i did a gentle 10k instead which went well and chest held which i'm happy about.

    I've run a total of about 30km this week which is good as i would say i did that the whole of Jan last year.

    I have 2 weeks of base training planned now to get back to a good fitness level get down below my pre DCM weight.

    Mon 6k run
    Tues Spinning
    Wen 10k run - evening swim
    Thurs 5k run - evening swim
    Fri turbo session
    Sat rest
    Sun LSR fingers crossed 16k +

    I hope to do that for the next 2 weeks in a row and by the end of Jan i need to be doing an LSR of 25K to give me a chance of a doing justice to Conna which is a good reason for focused spring training and a step towards getting the weight down for Swinford in July.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    a few days into 2012 and lots of reflection and thought about the year ahead.

    A lot of thinking about goals, wants, ambitions and how i felt at the end of 2011.

    Ok last year i did my 1st triathlon, ran my 1st marathon, got some more weight down BUT it wasn't enough. I wasn't focused enough, i set the bar too low.

    I've thought about it a lot and the more goals i have to focus on the more i train, the better i eat and the happier i am.

    I'm reading a book and they mention going to bed exhausted, not the type from work or your general day where your stressed. But the type when you lie down and the body aches from a good work out and sleep comes through the need to get the body ready to do it all again the next day.

    Thats the feeling i want.

    I watch operation transformation last night and i could be on that.......i can run a marathon yet i can be on a programme like that.

    At the moment i won't set any amazing times in any race, i'm getting fitter but carrying extra weight that slows me down.

    Thats why i'm throwing myself into a number of races this year to stay focused on training, get the weight down and leave me in a better position to do some decent times.

    My diet is good with the change after diabetes and this will be my 1st full year of dealing with it in training and perhaps my meds will change later in the year if all this work doesn't lead to weight loss.


    So far i have the following my head

    Connamarathon
    Joey Hannon ( sprint )
    Tri Athlone ( Olympic )
    Humbert Challenge ( half iron )
    Longford Marathon
    Eddie Murphy 30 mile.

    Some feedback or thought would be great also.

    I think you are being pretty tough on yourself. How many people do you know who ran a marathon, completed a triathlon and lost 40 pounds? (all whilst having to cope with the upheaval to their routine/diet of being diagnosed with diabetes)


    You are in a small percentage of people who set out on a journey at the beginning of last year and can be judged as a success. Sure you might have wanted to lose more weight, run faster, tri harder etc but there's no way anyone would judge your year as anything other than remarkable. Many more people are still sat on their arses dreaming about being more active, you are out their doing it. It's your first year too so your only aim should have been completing.

    Take a look at all the fast people you know and how long they have been racing? Much longer than me and you! We'll be challenging in a few years though!

    Your plan looks pretty good. All the races after the Connemarathon build up nicely. Perhaps because of that the first one looks a little out of place (?)

    Oh, as has been said, join the S/B/R challenge. it's pretty motivating when you look at the work others are putting in and it makes you want to up your game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    I did Connemara - Joey Hannon (OLY) - Athy (OLY) - Salthill (Sprint) - Humbert (HIM) in 2010 and I felt my winters training was all about running. After Connemara I then tried to compensate by doing loads of swimming and cycling and I then fell back again on my run fitness.

    Last year I did very little racing, Salthill (Sprint), Kilkee Olympic, The Humbert and then DCM, I felt this suited me much better as i was able to split my time much better and gradually build up to my main race.

    3 Marathons in a year is a lot :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    I think you are being pretty tough on yourself. How many people do you know who ran a marathon, completed a triathlon and lost 40 pounds? (all whilst having to cope with the upheaval to their routine/diet of being diagnosed with diabetes)


    You are in a small percentage of people who set out on a journey at the beginning of last year and can be judged as a success. Sure you might have wanted to lose more weight, run faster, tri harder etc but there's no way anyone would judge your year as anything other than remarkable. Many more people are still sat on their arses dreaming about being more active, you are out their doing it. It's your first year too so your only aim should have been completing.

    Take a look at all the fast people you know and how long they have been racing? Much longer than me and you! We'll be challenging in a few years though!

    Your plan looks pretty good. All the races after the Connemarathon build up nicely. Perhaps because of that the first one looks a little out of place (?)

    Oh, as has been said, join the S/B/R challenge. it's pretty motivating when you look at the work others are putting in and it makes you want to up your game.

    Thanks for that. First week back training was VERY hard and mood was awful. Thus the reason for such a negative post.

    I feel a little more positive after a good run at the weekend.

    BUT the weekend is still annoying me and i might have to look at my meds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    catweazle wrote: »
    I did Connemara - Joey Hannon (OLY) - Athy (OLY) - Salthill (Sprint) - Humbert (HIM) in 2010 and I felt my winters training was all about running. After Connemara I then tried to compensate by doing loads of swimming and cycling and I then fell back again on my run fitness.

    Last year I did very little racing, Salthill (Sprint), Kilkee Olympic, The Humbert and then DCM, I felt this suited me much better as i was able to split my time much better and gradually build up to my main race.

    3 Marathons in a year is a lot :eek:

    Yeah i was thinking of that yesterday and am thinking of just doing the half in Longford as i like doing the half and haven't one in my calender at all.

    At the moment the running is my main focus. But i am doing a club spinning class and some club swimming as well ( the swimming is to help me improve so i can build distance once conna is out of the way )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Monday was runday

    I did 6.5K and pace was fine. Chest is healing slowing and pace is building with it.

    it was a flat enough circuit in the city centre. I'm going to change every second monday and do a hilly trail in the dark next monday to work on my hills as conna in mind.

    I'm back enjoying it and actually look forward to it now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Tuesday was spinning

    Back to the class with the club and a class leader who doesn't hold back and puts together some great classes.

    I wear my cycling shoes on the bikes we use which makes it easier and gives you a better workout.

    We started with a light warm up and then its a 3.5 min sprint which i really went for and the sweat started to roll down my face.

    Recovery in the standing position before we begun to increase the resistance and worked on climbing for about 5 min which really got to the thighs and the breathing hard as well.

    Now reduce the resistance and spin out the legs before a 4 min sprint in the tri position which was hard in the last min but i pushed it out.

    Standing recovery followed by sitting with arms by the side and building the resistance to work the legs and stomach muscles.

    Resistance dropped to spin out the legs and a standing sprint of 3 mins.

    Recovery and a drink and one final sprint in the position of your choice ( tri for me ) and then warm down.

    Really good session and enjoyed it..............even if the music was utter $hite:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Coached swimming session last night.

    Anyone who has followed me will know that swimming is my major downfall.

    Anyway the two main aims of last nights session were to work on my breathing and stroke.

    When we started off a 20m length was taking 20 stokes and 30 sec............

    I tend to breath every 4 strokes which leads to me wasting a lof of enegry just breathing and off the head lifting doesn't help my position in the water. We worked on breathing every 4 and 6 strokes and 4 seemed to work a lot better even if it is on my right side every time. its a learning process and i'll develop as i go.

    Next it was onto my stoke and we broke that down and started again with the entry, glide, pull and push. We'll do more on that but worked on the basics.

    Again at th end of the session he timed me and it was 15 strokes and in 21 sec so that one session showed a major improvment if i can put that into pratice.

    The main positive for me was the breathing whcih has held me back.

    8 to 10k run today:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Well i tried something new last night, trail running in the dark !

    Conna has some decent hills so i need to get some hill work into my training and thats what thursday is going to be about for the next while.

    There is a local wood beside me with a great 2.1k circuit and its about 1.5k away from me to get to.

    I got out at about 6 with a lovely bright green top and head lamp on.

    Its a steady climb into the woods so you going up hill from about 1k onwards where the need for the light also comes in as well.

    The light took a bit of getting used to as my breath kept fogging up in front of me but a sorted that by breathing slightly differently.

    In the woods themselves 1k is on trail and 1k is on an old laneway. The trail was great to run on and is almost all up hill with a 600m steep steep climb.

    When i got onto the laneway there is some downhill which i had to slow down for as there are potholes and i had to be careful about where i placed my feet.

    I did 2 laps of the circuit and as i finished each time my breathing was back to normal after the climbing which is what i'm looking for so it isn't taking too much out of me.

    On the way back the first 500m is downhill and my legs felt loose so i decided to push it and increase the pace. I got it to 5:10 a km by the end which i was very happy with and i have to say it was the best run i've done in a long time.

    A total of 7.6k and if i add another lap of the circuit i can push it to almost 10k which is ok for a midweek run.

    I really enjoyed it and its good to do something different.

    This evening will be a light turbo session if i can get my man cave cleaned out:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Quiet weekend as i ended up having to work sat and sun, you'd think i'd get a bit of time off in jan.............but no :(

    Plan for the week is.

    Tues - Spinning
    Wen - Run 6k and Coached swimming session
    Thurs - Hilly trail run 10k
    Fri - Turbo Session
    Sat - 18k LSR
    Sunday - swim with the kids and alone when they are getting changed.

    I'm off next week to get my bloods done and see am i getting hold of the diabetes or will i need daily meds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Spinning last night and it was a great session.

    An hr of hard work and i went in 15 min early to get an extra bit of work in. I was nicely warmed up when the class started and really pushed it for the hr.

    I feel i'm well ahead of where i was this time last yr and fingers crossed this will continue to build.

    Training in work so i don't know if i'll get my run done but i have a coached swimming session this evening !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    One to one coached swimming session last night.

    Main aim of the next few weeks is to sort out my breathing, head position and stroke.

    Last night it was head position as i tended to lift my head when breathing which didn't help my body position and slowed me down.

    We worked the position of my leading arm as to balance my body while turning to follow my moving arm ( if that makes sense ). It reallt helped and i am more stable in the water and having to do less work so not gulping in air and leaving myself in bits after 50m.

    By fixing my position we've come up with another issue in at i am higher in the water, make stable and not my kicking is causing spray up and that is holding me back as well so i have to work on the upward motion of my left leg and i'm doing too much and almost taking it out of the water.

    Overall a good session and i'll hit the pool tomorrow at lunch for 20 controlled quality lengths which will be done really slowly and working on the areas we touched last night.

    Tonight is trial running:D

    I did 7.6k last week and upping it to 10k this week and hoping to hold it at that each thursday for the next while.

    At the moment i have a quiet weekend apart from supporting my wife in her 10k. So i'm aiming for 19k to 22k of an LSR.

    Weight isn't shifting and i need to chat with my doc as i'm working out, eating healthy and nothing is happening in the last while:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Been a while since i've been here, i've done a bit and had a nice break away with my wife in London.

    I've had my bloods done and all is looking good. They are improving with cholestrol down, blood pressure down and HBA1C ( 6 month bloods ) down as well.

    The only problem as i've said is the weight not moving and i did discuss it with my doctor who is very happy about the above and how i'm dealing with my diabetes.

    When i was training for half marathons and shorter triathlons the weight came off. Add to that i was still filling myself with sugar as well so a lot of thinking was done.

    So after 2 bottles of wine, a bowl of chilli and a lot of thought..............half iron and full marathons are being put on the back burner for the moment:(

    The best path for me at the moment is to focus on half marathons and shorter tri where i do a lot more high impact training.

    For example if i do a LSR of 25k on a sat i prob won't be able to do anything until monday. Where as if i do a good 15K on a sat i can so a cycle or something else on the sunday.

    It will lead to less rest days but more days exercising which is good for my diabetes and weight loss.

    If i'm honest the idea of running another full marathon while carrying 16 stone doesn't really appeal to me.

    The plan now for the next 12 weeks is to work hard at short distance races with 2 half marathons, a sprint tri and some smaller races as well.

    Perheaps when i hit july my weight could be heading in the right direction and the Longford marathon could be a goal but for now its time change tact and get the weight down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    The best path for me at the moment is to focus on half marathons and shorter tri where i do a lot more high impact training.
    For example if i do a LSR of 25k on a sat i prob won't be able to do anything until monday. Where as if i do a good 15K on a sat i can so a cycle or something else on the sunday.
    It will lead to less rest days but more days exercising which is good for my diabetes and weight loss.

    This keeps confusing me, I think because I understand 'high impact' differently to you. When I think of high impact, I think of hard, fast sessions - intervals, tempo runs, PMP runs, whatever, and a hard 15k would leave me in worse condition than a 25k LSR. But it sounds (:confused:) like you mean doing 15k at LSR pace, so you can do something else the next day. Increasing the quantity of training, by lowering your targets for each session?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    RayCun wrote: »
    This keeps confusing me, I think because I understand 'high impact' differently to you. When I think of high impact, I think of hard, fast sessions - intervals, tempo runs, PMP runs, whatever, and a hard 15k would leave me in worse condition than a 25k LSR. But it sounds (:confused:) like you mean doing 15k at LSR pace, so you can do something else the next day. Increasing the quantity of training, by lowering your targets for each session?

    Yeah maybe i'm not being clear on what works for me.

    The 15K would be at a gentle but not LSR pace.

    I'll try harder to explain.

    Training for a sprint/olympic tri i can do 2 good session in a day and 1 the next. With the longer races its one session and it takes longer to recover.

    I need shorter more frequent exercise. As is a fast 5k in the morning and a 20k cycle in the evening is better for me than a 12k run.

    Once i get the weight down i can focus on longer races but for now i need to get it down and more/short sessions worked early last yr so i'm going that route to see how it goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Okay, I think I see what you mean.
    You should be a bit careful with those fast 5ks, because as well as burning energy quickly (which you want) they will also put more strain on your muscles and joints (which you don't really want). Leaving aside the swimming and cycling, if you run a fast 5k 3/4 times a week, your injury risk will probably go up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    RayCun wrote: »
    Okay, I think I see what you mean.
    You should be a bit careful with those fast 5ks, because as well as burning energy quickly (which you want) they will also put more strain on your muscles and joints (which you don't really want). Leaving aside the swimming and cycling, if you run a fast 5k 3/4 times a week, your injury risk will probably go up.

    I learned that the hard way two yrs ago:(

    No i'll mix with up with longer distances, hill work and going to start interval which i haven't done up until now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Started back again last night.

    First workout of the week was a 5k that i wanted to do as fast as i could.

    I managed 28:20 which isn't bad for a 16 stone man starting back after a lot of stop start. The run went well and i was able to get the pace up from the start which felt good as i was only hoping to get a time of 30 min.

    Monday evening is going to be 5k at pace evening from now on and i want a PB as mine currently stands at 25:12.

    This evening is club spinning which is always a good workout.

    8 weeks until conna and i'm focusing on the half now, the new regime of more frequent short workouts will have until then to show some results and if they do i'll continue with it.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Glad to see you back at it. I get where youre coming from on your readjustment of goals. Just want to throw a cat among the pigeons tho. :) What Im finding with my current training, is that its not the length of the session that affects my need for recovery, it's the intensity of it. I can do many more hours now than I was doing last year, because the hr zone Im working in is kept to a particular level, not by feel or guesswork, but by measuring it. If you dont already, I would say get an accurate look at the intensity you work at. If nothing else, you really need to build a good base, and you wont do that with short sharp training. (That has its place, I dont know if its now).

    *do take what I say with a pinch of salt tho. I am still wet behind the ears and one of those people who cant go hard so I go long. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Oryx wrote: »
    Glad to see you back at it. I get where youre coming from on your readjustment of goals. Just want to throw a cat among the pigeons tho. :) What Im finding with my current training, is that its not the length of the session that affects my need for recovery, it's the intensity of it. I can do many more hours now than I was doing last year, because the hr zone Im working in is kept to a particular level, not by feel or guesswork, but by measuring it. If you dont already, I would say get an accurate look at the intensity you work at. If nothing else, you really need to build a good base, and you wont do that with short sharp training. (That has its place, I dont know if its now).

    *do take what I say with a pinch of salt tho. I am still wet behind the ears and one of those people who cant go hard so I go long. ;)


    Yeah i see woddle working a lot on HR as well.

    I'm trying to do a few double days at high intensity rather than a single slow run. Its also about changing up the runs, a fast 5k, a tough trail 10k, a LSR on a sat and fingers crossed a brick on a sunday until the evenings get longer.


    The heart was pumping last night.......i know that :D

    The base fitness is what i need to build, i'm ahead of where i was the last 2 years and want to keep that up and build. I intend to sit down in May and make a decision on Lost Sheep or not as its 6 weeks further on that Humbert and i start 3 weeks holidays then after it:)

    My wife is training for her 1st half marathon in may so its taking over the house so i can't make any excuses about not training:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    Got to agree with what Oryx says. I find it much easier to do more training when I'm keeping an eye on the HR monitor and not over reaching myself and I feel a lot stronger for the increase. Last year every session was a short sharp one and I hit a plateau pretty quickly and stayed there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Got to agree with what Oryx says. I find it much easier to do more training when I'm keeping an eye on the HR monitor and not over reaching myself and I feel a lot stronger for the increase. Last year every session was a short sharp one and I hit a plateau pretty quickly and stayed there.

    I have 2 of them:o

    I must fish them out and look up what levels mine should be at


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Ever done a test to work out your zones, elvis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Oryx wrote: »
    Ever done a test to work out your zones, elvis?

    Nope,

    have i more money to spend :D


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