Irish rebel music

Badgermonkey · 30-12-2011 03:00AM

So much of that rebel music is hoary old cabaret guff from buffoons such as the Wolfe Tones.

I like my Irish music soulful and skillfully crafted.

Music utterly unique to our own culture -timeless, precious, raucous and delicate all at once.

Have a dose of Séamus Ennis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLe9etQ0iwQ

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-12-2011 10:04AM

Paparazzo wrote: »

while cheering for a team that represents Britain?

You haven't a fcuking clue

stovelid · 30-12-2011 11:06AM

I wouldn't call Celtic British but they're about as Irish as Notre Dame or House Of Pain.

Mike 1972 · 30-12-2011 11:49AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's quite clear you have an anti-republican agenda.

No $h1t Sherlock ?

Tiocfaidh Armani · 30-12-2011 12:30PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

If you think I'm trolling report my posts.
Rebel songs = anti British
Celtic = British

In your black and white world James Connolly would be 100% British yet he's more Irish than your sorry ass.

SisterAnn · 30-12-2011 01:32PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

The Wolfe Tones are awful "musicians". They have no musical ability. And I still can't get over how they murdered The Sash.

The Wolfe Tones blow hot and cold. Point us to a good version! Great tune. Gets my spirits up and if nobody else is listening I'll hum it to myself! Abe Lincoln's favourite was 'Dixie' and he asked his band to play it on hearing that the war was over.

I'm pretty apolitical to be honest and couldn't care less if Oliver Cromwell and Bertie Ahern jointly governed the entire islands of Britain and Ireland so long as I'm left to my own little world. I love good folk music however, and though some of the rebel/orange ballads are trite - clearly written in 5 minutes on the back of a beermat, some are majestic compositions and I hope they are forever preserved for posterity. Shame to see them become victims of a new sanitised political correctness a la the photographic archiving of Vladimir Lenin.

ItsAWindUp · 30-12-2011 01:42PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

You live on the island of Ireland. That makes you Irish no?

He lives up North, which as far as I am aware gives him the choice to determine himself whether he is British or Irish

brummytom · 30-12-2011 01:47PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

So much of that rebel music is hoary old cabaret guff from buffoons such as the Wolfe Tones.

I like my Irish music soulful and skillfully crafted.

Music utterly unique to our own culture -timeless, precious, raucous and delicate all at once.

Have a dose of Séamus Ennis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLe9etQ0iwQ

Brilliant tune, my favourite at the moment. Strangely enough, I was just listening to another version of it. Played here by 3 brilliant trad musicians from England (see, it's not just for you lot! :pac:):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UupFW-97nmg

Rebel songs, to me, are the telling of history. They shouldn't be part of an ideology.

While trad music was probably oddly helped by the persecution it suffered, it's going stronger than ever now, but I wouldn't associate it with rebel music myself.

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-12-2011 01:50PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

He lives up North, which as far as I am aware gives him the choice to determine himself whether he is British or Irish

Ask anyone from Britain and I would say 95% of them would say he is Irish

KeithAFC · 30-12-2011 01:51PM

SisterAnn wrote: »

The Wolfe Tones blow hot and cold. Point us to a good version! Great tune. Gets my spirits up and if nobody else is listening I'll hum it to myself! Abe Lincoln's favourite was 'Dixie' and he asked his band to play it on hearing that the war was over.

I'm pretty apolitical to be honest and couldn't care less if Oliver Cromwell and Bertie Ahern jointly governed the entire islands of Britain and Ireland so long as I'm left to my own little world. I love good folk music however, and though some of the rebel/orange ballads are trite - clearly written in 5 minutes on the back of a beermat, some are majestic compositions and I hope they are forever preserved for posterity. Shame to see them become victims of a new sanitised political correctness a la the photographic archiving of Vladimir Lenin.

A good version.

ItsAWindUp · 30-12-2011 01:53PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Ask anyone from Britain and I would say 95% of them would say he is Irish

Ask anyone from Britain?

You are aware this is an Irish website? I fail to see the relevance of asking anybody from Britain what their thoughts are on the matter, or perhaps you realise that your argument has failed, and you cannot produce a decent retort?

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-12-2011 02:02PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Ask anyone from Britain? You are aware this is an Irish website? I fail to see the relevance of asking anybody from Britain what their thoughts are on the matter, or perhaps you realise that your argument has failed, and you cannot produce a decent retort?

A simple statement that the vast majority of people from Britain regard someone from Ireland as Irish irrespective if they are in NI or not. He is an Irishman in the United Kingdom.

AEDIC · 30-12-2011 02:12PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A simple statement that the vast majority of people from Britain regard someone from Ireland as Irish irrespective if they are in NI or not. He is an Irishman in the United Kingdom.

Can you supply a link to the research that backs this up? Or is it as I suspect an opinion based on...well nothing really..

getz · 30-12-2011 02:13PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A simple statement that the vast majority of people from Britain regard someone from Ireland as Irish irrespective if they are in NI or not. He is an Irishman in the United Kingdom.

so are you mate so are you

ItsAWindUp · 30-12-2011 02:16PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A simple statement that the vast majority of people from Britain regard someone from Ireland as Irish irrespective if they are in NI or not. He is an Irishman in the United Kingdom.

Again, you are missing the point. As someone who lives in Northern Ireland, Keith has the right to identify himself as British or Irish, or both. This right was given to him under the Good Friday Agreement, and nobody but him and him alone can determine his nationality

ItsAWindUp · 30-12-2011 02:16PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Can you supply a link to the research that backs this up? Or is it as I suspect an opinion based on...well nothing really..

Bingo

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-12-2011 02:20PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Can you supply a link to the research that backs this up? Or is it as I suspect an opinion based on...well nothing really..

I am not claiming it as fact, I am claiming as my opinion if you had read the post above

'Ask anyone from Britain and I would say 95% of them would say he is Irish'

That opinion is based on living in Britain for more than 18 years

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-12-2011 02:22PM

getz wrote: »

so are you mate so are you

Oh I know that

Johnny Foreigner · 30-12-2011 02:23PM

I am putting this thread back on topic again with another classic.
My Aunt had this one booming out of her Sanyo HiFi when I was a child so often that my 6 year old cousin knew it word perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE8rsDLHb98

ItsAWindUp · 30-12-2011 02:23PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I am not claiming it as fact, I am claiming as my opinion if you had read the post above

'Ask anyone from Britain and I would say 95% of them would say he is Irish'

That opinion is based on living in Britain for more than 18 years

Has that always been in Glasgow?

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-12-2011 02:28PM

No, I have lived in London, Bolton, Manchester and Glasgow

Defiler Of The Coffin · 30-12-2011 03:20PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

He lives up North, which as far as I am aware gives him the choice to determine himself whether he is British or Irish

You must have missed some of the subsequent posts I made. I absolutely agree with you that he is British. I was simply calling him on his assertion that it was 'ironic' for republican fans to cheer on Celtic in a Dublin pub yet he is a man living on the Island of Ireland calling himself British, supporting another team in Scotland.

Pace2008 · 31-12-2011 06:50PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

The line "up the Ra" is insignificant, it's about someone looking at a wall ffs. If people want to sing along with it then that's their prerogative. If you don't like it then run out of the pub.

So it's simply a matter-of-fact description of some street art they chanced across. Right.

I went through a regrettable stage in my teens as a bitter little racist and bigot. This song ranked among my favourites for getting the blood flowing and revelling in some good, old-fashioned Brit hating.

I've long since copped on but some people never grow out of this phase. Even if it's not the sole purpose of the song, it is, in part, a tribalistic chant expressing clear support for a terrorist organisation with innocent blood on its hands, as the Wolfe Tones knew bloody well when they composed it.

I'm sure plenty of rebel songs are simply an attempt to bring to life Ireland's colourful, fascinating, war-torn history, and say nothing about Ireland's current relationship with Britain. This is not one of them.

A Dub in Glasgo · 31-12-2011 07:07PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

This song ranked among my favourites for getting the blood flowing and revelling in some good, old-fashioned Brit hating.

Eh? I am sure there are hundreds of other rebel songs [I would not class this one as a Rebel song] that would do the above a lot better and I cannot believe one of them was Celtic Symphony. Are you sure you have the right song as even Amhran Na Bhfiann is more blood thirsty than this?

Wolfe Tones wrote:

It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldnt set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.

Chorus 1
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.

I'm a sailor man from Glasgow town,
I've roamed this world round and round,
Hes the meanest thing that I have found,
In all mydays of wander.

Chorus 1

But I could see his evil eyes,
Twas then he took me by surprise,
Take me to your paradise,
I want to see the Jungle.

Chorus 1

Chorus 2
Here we go again,
We're on the road again,
We're on the road again,
We're on our way to Paradise,
We love the jungilty,
That's where the lion sleeps, (yeeeaaaaahhhh)
For in those evil eyes,
They have no place in Paradise.

Chorus 3
Grafitti on the walls just as the sun was going down,
I seen graffitti on the walls( Of the CELTS, Of the CELTS),
Graffitti on the walls that says we're Magic, We're Magic,
Graffiti on the walls.......Graffiti on the walls........
And it said..............
Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra (x6).

We went to each jungle deep,
For the Paradise that we did seek,
Was noted for the weak,
There was some with the natives.

Chorus 1

From the Amazon to Borneo,
From Africa to Tokyo,
To the darkest jungles of the world,
But nowhere could i lose him.

Chorus 1

Around in circles every way,
He turned to me and he did say,
I think your leading me astary,
I want your soul me boyo!

Chorus 1

Chorus 2

Chorus 3.

Pace2008 · 31-12-2011 07:49PM

Er, it's the

Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra

bit to which I take exception. It's cheering on the IRA like you'd cheer on a football team which I think is puerile and inappropriate. The rest of the song is absolutely fine but I think the chorus panders to an unsavoury element of Celtic's fanbase who give the team a bad name.

If there's some sort of context here I'm missing I'd be happy to change my mind, if someone could explain it me.

A Dub in Glasgo · 31-12-2011 07:57PM

I agree with you about that part of the song. I just find it fascinating that this song was one of your favourites for 'getting the blood flowing and revelling in some good, old-fashioned Brit hating'.

Dr conrad murray · 31-12-2011 07:58PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxv-4eeiQfw

Pace2008 · 31-12-2011 08:15PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I agree with you about that part of the song. I just find it fascinating that this song was one of your favourites for 'getting the blood flowing and revelling in some good, old-fashioned Brit hating'.

I'm sure there were plenty of others more suited to my wants, but I was young and my knowledge of music was extremely limited. I didn't even know what the song was about really, I just waited for the chorus and shouted along like a retard.

Trine · 31-12-2011 10:18PM

Not exactly an Irish rebel song, but shared feelings I suppose, I love this at the moment.

ColeTrain · 31-12-2011 10:29PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

So it's simply a matter-of-fact description of some street art they chanced across. Right.

As I said before the songs lyrics are all about Celtic FC. A fan of the club would understand some of the references.

The bit of "up the ra" is indeed a reference to street art. Where is the offence in it? I mean ffs it's not the only rebel song to mention the IRA. There is **** all in that song to be offended about.

Pace2008 wrote: »

I went through a regrettable stage in my teens as a bitter little racist and bigot. This song ranked among my favourites for getting the blood flowing and revelling in some good, old-fashioned Brit hating.

I've long since copped on but some people never grow out of this phase. Even if it's not the sole purpose of the song, it is, in part, a tribalistic chant expressing clear support for a terrorist organisation with innocent blood on its hands, as the Wolfe Tones knew bloody well when they composed it.

I'm sure plenty of rebel songs are simply an attempt to bring to life Ireland's colourful, fascinating, war-torn history, and say nothing about Ireland's current relationship with Britain. This is not one of them.

You think you've seen the light and now you think you're fit to lecture folk about what music they should listen to.

Your post above is bollocks. I'm certainly not a bigot. I don't need to explain myself to you as to why I listen to these songs. You can harp on about the IRA of today all you want, but that's for another thread.

Pace2008 wrote: »

I'm sure there were plenty of others more suited to my wants, but I was young and my knowledge of music was extremely limited. I didn't even know what the song was about really, I just waited for the chorus and shouted along like a retard.

So what? You knew **** all then and it seems to be the same now. Hopefully you'll be able to get on with your life and forgive yourself for chanting a song when you were younger.

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