Irish rebel music

Liam Byrne · 28-12-2011 01:29AM

PK2008 wrote: »

Now THAT is unmitigated skanger tripe!

ItsAWindUp · 28-12-2011 01:31AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that a few words in a song could give you a boost onto a horse that high.

I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a terrorist organisation?

ColeTrain · 28-12-2011 01:37AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a terrorist organisation?

Spare me the mock outrage. You said that anyone who sang along with that song is basically stupid.

That song was written for Celtic FC in their centenary year, the lyrics involve the club and it's history. The line "up the Ra" is insignificant, it's about someone looking at a wall ffs. If people want to sing along with it then that's their prerogative. If you don't like it then run out of the pub.

Beir Bua · 28-12-2011 01:39AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a terrorist organisation?

Were you alive years ago you would no doubt be saying the same thing, actually, you'd be saying

"I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a fenian organisation?"

or better still,

"I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a rebel organisation?"

A huge proportion of rebel songs are not about the provos.

BB

Beir Bua · 28-12-2011 01:40AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Now THAT is unmitigated skanger tripe!

The add ins don't look so bad now when compared to that do they!

BB

ItsAWindUp · 28-12-2011 01:40AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Spare me the mock outrage. You said that anyone who sang along with that song is basically stupid.

That song was written for Celtic FC in their centenary year, the lyrics involve the club and it's history. The line "up the Ra" is insignificant, it's about someone looking at a wall ffs. If people want to sing along with it then that's their prerogative. If you don't like it then run out of the pub.

And I'll say it again, as loud as anyone wants me to.

ItsAWindUp · 28-12-2011 01:41AM

Beir Bua wrote: »

Were you alive years ago you would no doubt be saying the same thing, actually, you'd be saying

"I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a fenian organisation?"

or better still,

"I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a rebel organisation?"

A huge proportion of rebel songs are not about the provos.

BB

This one most likely was, as it was released in 1987

ColeTrain · 28-12-2011 01:47AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

And I'll say it again, as loud as anyone wants me to.

Shout all you want but I think anyone who judges somebodies intelligence on singing a song is probably a bit slow themselves.

Beir Bua · 28-12-2011 01:47AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

This one most likely was, as it was released in 1987

You need to listen to the lyrics of these songs, you really do.

Its about Celtic and he saw "graffiti on the walls", as there was at the time, of "Up the Ra".

Personally I think it's a great song, but it's obviously not to everyones taste which is grand, I'm sure you like songs I hate, thats just music.

But the ignorant generalize all "rebel" songs as being "oh ah up the ra sh!te", which is, bollocks. Many many many songs are not about the provos, and far fewer still have chants like that in them. I've been to rebel nights where the subject matter of the songs was entirely about the 18th and 19th centuries. Others still about 1916 and the Tan War. Challenge your preconceptions.

BB

ItsAWindUp · 28-12-2011 01:51AM

Beir Bua wrote: »

You need to listen to the lyrics of these songs, you really do.

Its about Celtic and he saw "graffiti on the walls", as there was at the time, of "Up the Ra".

Personally I think it's a great song, but it's obviously not to everyones taste which is grand, I'm sure you like songs I hate, thats just music.

But the ignorant generalize all "rebel" songs as being "oh ah up the ra sh!te", which is, bollocks. Many many many songs are not about the provos, and far fewer still have chants like that in them. I've been to rebel nights where the subject matter of the songs was entirely about the 18th and 19th centuries. Others still about 1916 and the Tan War. Challenge your preconceptions.

BB

You know just as well as I do that idiots up and down the country wing along to that song in praise of the IRA, something that I'm sure the Wolfe Tones had full awareness of.

Paparazzo · 28-12-2011 01:56AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Spare me the mock outrage. You said that anyone who sang along with that song is basically stupid.

That song was written for Celtic FC in their centenary year, the lyrics involve the club and it's history. The line "up the Ra" is insignificant, it's about someone looking at a wall ffs. If people want to sing along with it then that's their prerogative. If you don't like it then run out of the pub.

If I heard that song played in a pub I'd definitely leave. I'd run away quite fast. I was actually cringing it was that bad. Ohh ahh up the ra, said ohh ahh up the ra :rolleyes:
Tony_cascarino said he'd rather listen to rebel songs than Justin bieber (because they're the only types of music in the world). I'd rather listen to beiber than that

Beir Bua · 28-12-2011 02:01AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

You know just as well as I do that idiots up and down the country wing along to that song in praise of the IRA, something that I'm sure the Wolfe Tones had full awareness of.

So? Who cares? The provos don't even exist nowadays. Just like musical tastes, peoples definitions of "idiots" varies too.

The point I was making is that "rebel" music is not all "oh ah up the ra" or about events within living memory, you should abandon that misconception. Music like I've referred to helps keep history alive.

BB

ItsAWindUp · 28-12-2011 02:10AM

Beir Bua wrote: »

So? Who cares? The provos don't even exist nowadays. Just like musical tastes, peoples definitions of "idiots" varies too.

The point I was making is that "rebel" music is not all "oh ah up the ra" or about events within living memory, you should abandon that misconception. Music like I've referred to helps keep history alive.

BB

Says it all really. As if the promotion of a terrorist group is somehow okay

ColeTrain · 28-12-2011 02:15AM

Paparazzo wrote: »

If I heard that song played in a pub I'd definitely leave. I'd run away quite fast. I was actually cringing it was that bad. Ohh ahh up the ra, said ohh ahh up the ra :rolleyes:
Tony_cascarino said he'd rather listen to rebel songs than Justin bieber (because they're the only types of music in the world). I'd rather listen to beiber than that

See that's what I don't get. I bet you often hear songs that you don't like and you have to try and ignore them. But as soon as "Celtic Symphony" plays you'd leave? Don't know why you have to be so dramatic, it's always "I'm cringing" or "it's the worst song ever". Are you trying to embarrass people who like this music? Maybe you need to get over the fact that everyone has different tastes and folk that like rebel songs have nothing to be ashamed about. Sing them loud and proud If you want.

ColeTrain · 28-12-2011 02:19AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Says it all really. As if the promotion of a terrorist group is somehow okay

Anyone who sings a rebel song is promoting the IRA in Itsawindup's eyes. Even though the song he is harping on about isn't even about the IRA.

It must make life easier seeing everything in black and white.

R P McMurphy · 28-12-2011 02:23AM

Maybe this would be more suited for some people on the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjLATAUwao

BeefyS · 28-12-2011 02:33AM

dont like it.
dont really see its place today. its similar to war celebration music and i dont see a war in this country going on. except for the ones people make because they are bored/angry/dont feel important enough so they latch on to a cause that seems important but isnt really but you can make a big deal out of it and therefore achieve your goal of feeling important.

like the westboro baptist church

they feel like the most important of all but sure, arent they the biggest ar$eholes too? funny how it works like that...

Beir Bua · 28-12-2011 02:44AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6aWxDJlD_4

The first, written by Bobby Sands, the second, about him. No one does those songs quite like Christie.

One more while I'm at it, it's about Robert Emmet, one of my personal heroes, everyone should read his speech from the dock. Historically Ireland has had an abundance of heroic young men, we need young men like Emmet today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HiGZZD5huo

BB

hooradiation · 28-12-2011 02:57AM

tayto lover wrote: »

The odd English rebel song is good too.

"Robin Hood, Robin Hood riding through the glen,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood with his band of men,
Feared by the bad, loved by the good,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hood"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oozGotV-Xcs

TiGeR KiNgS · 28-12-2011 03:03AM

wouldn't support them but nice tunes none the less

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_TEMt6pbUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Qw32q2HI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeK2PWqyGLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rdt4goYHgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZplggMIH8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OpP0eX9ESQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMm3eUoA1No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCASLkwQxtk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Nqg2ohiDY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ln9QnLaWrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MRbek0JXk

dedicated to KeithAFC

Liam Byrne · 28-12-2011 03:16AM

Beir Bua wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Now THAT is unmitigated skanger tripe!

The add ins don't look so bad now when compared to that do they!

BB

Well yes, because (a) they're inserted into generally decent songs that people actually like and (b) they result in a supposedly civilised crowd in a pub chanting in support of murderers.

So while I have no idea who the market for the techno-ised (or should that be tech-noised) audio assault is, at least that just involves the skangers shouting "ooooh-ah ooooh-ah" to Mark McCabe type ****e rather than following it with drunken pseudo-support for murderers and criminals.

Beir Bua · 28-12-2011 03:23AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well yes, because (a) they're inserted into generally decent songs that people actually like and (b) they result in a supposedly civilised crowd in a pub chanting in support of murderers.

So while I have no idea who the market for the techno-ised (or should that be tech-noised) audio assault is, at least that just involves the skangers shouting "ooooh-ah ooooh-ah" to Mark McCabe type ****e rather than following it with drunken pseudo-support for murderers and criminals.

This one's specially for you, not one of my favorites but I think you'll love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htV8pffqhbE

BB

Liam Byrne · 28-12-2011 03:33AM

Beir Bua wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well yes, because (a) they're inserted into generally decent songs that people actually like and (b) they result in a supposedly civilised crowd in a pub chanting in support of murderers.

So while I have no idea who the market for the techno-ised (or should that be tech-noised) audio assault is, at least that just involves the skangers shouting "ooooh-ah ooooh-ah" to Mark McCabe type ****e rather than following it with drunken pseudo-support for murderers and criminals.

This one's specially for you, not one of my favorites but I think you'll love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htV8pffqhbE

BB

Sorry - better things to do.

28-12-2011 03:45AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Sorry - better things to do.

Like learning to differentiate between music and politics and between pre 1960's and post 1960s?

Nodin · 28-12-2011 03:46AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And people can identify with that ?

Boy am I glad that I never had that type of "family" life!

Nobody in your family ever came home pissed? Or is this just another sad attempt to get a dig in.

Nodin · 28-12-2011 03:47AM

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Like learning to differentiate between music and politics and between pre 1960's and post 1960s?

Taking a unrealistic stance and refusing to admit its so, more likely.

28-12-2011 03:49AM

Nodin wrote: »

Taking a unrealistic stance and refusing to admit its so, more likely.

That is seemingly perfected down to a tee already.

Nodin · 28-12-2011 03:52AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a terrorist organisation?

Earlier on it was because you stated "Rebel songs can f uck right off, as can them morons who think its an Irish persons duty to listen to them" even though nobody had said any such thing. That speaks to me of somebody who had a blob of paint on his brush already and was just looking for a place to put it.

ColeTrain · 28-12-2011 03:55AM

Nodin wrote: »

Nobody in your family ever came home pissed? Or is this just another sad attempt to get a dig in.

It's an embarrassing post looking back at it alright.

Sunnyisland · 28-12-2011 08:09AM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I'm on a high horse, what, because I don't really admire people who support a terrorist organisation?

Rebel songs have a deep-rooted sense of tradition dating back many centuries, Well before the troubles broke out again also They are not just confined to Irish history, and includes the exploits of the Irish Brigades who fought for both France and Spain, and also those who fought during the American Civil War.They are a way of passing on stories from generation to generation and a lot of them would be classed as protest songs.As i have said already some are crap a lot are not,imo.

Irish rebel music

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