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th3 s1aught3r · 20-12-2011 09:46PM

I hope Liverpool take the FA to court and show them up for the farce of an organisation they are.

Sappy404 · 20-12-2011 09:46PM

Liam90 wrote: »

Hes been found guilty, so they must have proof and seen exactly what he said. Anyone know what it was that suarez said?

Yet to be released.

The outcome thus far seems like the FA want to appear hard on racism by finding him guilty and handing out the ban, but the terms of that ban seem tailor-made for Liverpool to appeal. The FA will likely reduce the ban, not overturn it outright, so as to avoid further legal issues with Liverpool or Suarez, and that way Liverpool are satiated and the FA have still found Suarez guilty despite the lack of evidence, other witnesses etc.

The announcement coming while league matches are taking place is a bit sneaky as well.

slingerz · 20-12-2011 09:46PM

noodler wrote: »

I don't read the statement to be as great as others clearly.

If he used a racist term then he is guilty, we can argue about consistency or his "negrito" defence (as weak as it seems to me, albeit without access to the report) all we want but saying someone is not a racist does not mean they didn't use racist words.

There is no evidence he used a racist term. No one apart from Evra heard anything which makes it baffling as to how he could get banned

If the ban stands his first game back would be united at old traffird

Blatter · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

The Liverpool statement isn't all that surprising.

That was their attitude towards this from the get go and it would be embarrassing for the club to have backtracked on that stance, especially when it's an incident involving racism.

One can only assume that The FA are on safe ground with this decision given the length of time spent bringing about the charges and delivering the verdict. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out nonetheless and I'm looking forward to the detailed report.

carlcon · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

slingerz wrote: »

The bit about evra being the only one to hear the remarks says it all really

Says nothing actually.

Previously, they accepted that Suarez said it... but put it down to "cultural differences" and language barrier.

Their story has changed, which is why the whole statement is a joke.

The "Evra said he wasn't a racist" line shows just how desperate they are. On one hand... Evra can't be trusted, on the other... believe this thing he said!

Mr.Crinklewood · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If we appeal will it still one of fergies best mates on the panel?

If you were up to speed with things you would be aware that all interested parties had a right to veto any member of the panel.

Handsome Bob · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

5starpool wrote: »

I think you need to take it to your own forum

I can't, we have a no soccer rants rule. :pac:

elius · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If we appeal will it still one of fergies best mates on the panel?

Make's no odds to fergie! Suarez is hardly a threat to him or Man Utd now is he! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

CSF wrote: »

Life?

Would certainly be a few years anyway I'd say.

Le King · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

Some of the defending racism remarks from Liverpool fans and that joke of a statement from the football club is sick.

Tesco Massacre · 20-12-2011 09:47PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Tut tut.

They're unbelievable.

Crazy Horse 6 · 20-12-2011 09:48PM

I'm stunned at the verdict, completely stunned. The FA are just going on the word of Evra and Evra alone. Surely the clubs lawyers are going to have a field day with this.

carlcon · 20-12-2011 09:48PM

mayordenis wrote: »

Generally the idea is that if the appeal is deemed frivalous then it could be extended but if you're saying it should be extended just for wanting to be allowed argue your side then you would be a facist.

Well I wouldn't want to be a "facist" in the eyes of someone on the internet, would I?

It was a question. Nothing more.

noodler · 20-12-2011 09:48PM

slingerz wrote: »

There is no evidence he used a racist term. No one apart from Evra heard anything which makes it baffling as to how he could get banned

If the ban stands his first game back would be united at old traffird

Can we not wait until the details of the commission's report are out before making assumptions?

Turtwig · 20-12-2011 09:48PM

For Suarez's sake I hope the FA got this one spot on. All the "evidence" I've seen for the case has been shaky, but I just hope they convicted him on more than what I've seen/read. His life and rep will probably forever be scarred by this so they better have been objective and correct in their decision making.

UnitedIrishman · 20-12-2011 09:48PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

In the hearing it's reported Evra admitted to abusing Suarez & that he brought ethnicity into it by saying 'get your hands off me south American'.

If that truly is the case then I'll be the first to accept Evra should receive a ban. But we'll have to wait until the report to come out (not just newspaper stuff) on what was said/happened.

However, it's a pity that some others won't accept such things regardless of their team. (Not pointing at yourself Alan btw)

kryogen · 20-12-2011 09:49PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Excuse me

You read exactly what I said and meant, if you are fully behind a player found guilty of racism you are an embarrassment and you should be ashamed of yourself

simple enough for you?

Leiva · 20-12-2011 09:49PM

If and when the FA release their evidence , and if it shows no other evidence bar Evras word against Suarez then plain and simply the Liverpool statement is the best piece written to date on this whole debacle .

ilovelamp2000 · 20-12-2011 09:49PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Well one thing is for sure, the club will pursue this as far as is possible. Perhaps as far as the high court.

Points of interest.

1. Evra doesn't think Suarez is a rascist.

2. Suarez has mixed heritage.

3. Evra did not get charged despite admitting to abusing Suarez and the referee.

1 and 2 are irrelevant, if you read what he was charged with.

3 is a separate matter, and I presume would need a complaint to be made before it's followed up. But it's way too late to complain now

argosy2006 · 20-12-2011 09:49PM

PFA could have handled this better, Got the two players together, Apologize to one another, And make something positive out of whole thing
This outcome will only cause more fiction between these two players and Liverpool & Man u

K-9 · 20-12-2011 09:50PM

carlcon wrote: »

Says nothing actually.

Previously, they accepted that Suarez said it... but put it down to "cultural differences" and language barrier.

Their story has changed, which is why the whole statement is a joke.

The "Evra said he wasn't a racist" line shows just how desperate they are. On one hand... Evra can't be trusted, on the other... believe this thing he said!

Liverpool never said it was down to cultural differences.

They are being 100% consistent and they're entitled to appeal.

pistolpetes11 · 20-12-2011 09:50PM

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Suarez found guilty last Friday. The 4 days since have been used to explore every possible legal consequence. FA have been v diligent.

Mr Alan · 20-12-2011 09:50PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

If that truly is the case then I'll be the first to accept Evra should receive a ban. But we'll have to wait until the report to come out (not just newspaper stuff) on what was said/happened.

Liverpool have tonight confirmed that he admitted to abusing Suarez during the hearing. That's 4 games even without the racial/ethnic aspect that increased Suarez's ban.

Vurnon San Benito · 20-12-2011 09:51PM

Glad to see The FA have made an example of someone; was getting out of hand.
If Terry is found guilty, then hopefully he'll face the same wrath.

No place in the game for racism regardless.

th3 s1aught3r · 20-12-2011 09:51PM

slingerz wrote: »

There is no evidence he used a racist term. No one apart from Evra heard anything which makes it baffling as to how he could get banned

Thats becasue we are dealing with the FA here. I dont think any court of law would be punishing him on that evidence. The FA are just worrried about saving face on this, I think the delay meant they really didnt know what they were doing, but they couldnt be seen to do nothing

Fuhrer · 20-12-2011 09:52PM

So, all the Liverpool fans in here making statements about Evra claiming he said such and such in his statement are completely and utterly full of ****.

They have no idea what he said in his statement and are just making **** up to support their player who has been convicted of racist abuse.

It is just utterly pathetic and I can imagine it is illegal too, what if I were to start posting that Suarez admitted in his statement that he was a child molester?

CSF · 20-12-2011 09:52PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

The FA are just going on the word of Evra and Evra alone.

How the hell do you know?

argosy2006 wrote: »

PFA could have handled this better, Got the two players together, Apologize to one another, And make something positive out of whole thing
This outcome will only cause more fiction between these two players and Liverpool & Man u

Are you Sepp Blatter in disguise?

Crazy Horse 6 · 20-12-2011 09:52PM

mormank wrote: »

The FA will give him some carpet and a sweeping brush. Disgraceful result. Bannings had better start happening left right and centre so. But we all know they won't. Bring on the revolution! :mad:

Yeah like the respect campaign after Masherano got sent off against United :rolleyes:. Disgraceful stuff altogether.

citytillidie · 20-12-2011 09:52PM

Jernal wrote: »

For Suarez's sake I hope the FA got this one spot on. All the "evidence" I've seen for the case has been shaky, but I just hope they convicted him on more than what I've seen/read. His life and rep will probably forever be scarred by this so they better have been objective and correct in their decision making.

I would say for the FA's sake they had better be right if not then high court action could be taken by Suarez for them calling him a raciest

mormank · 20-12-2011 09:52PM

noodler wrote: »

I don't read the statement to be as great as others clearly.

If he used a racist term then he is guilty, we can argue about consistency or his "negrito" defence (as weak as it seems to me, albeit without access to the report) all we want but saying someone is not a racist does not mean they didn't use racist words.

It's basically a case of Evra's word versus the word of Luis Suarez. I cannot understand why so many supposed Liverpool fans on here are so quick to just accept the word of Patrice Evra over Suarez. It's almost like ye wanted Luis to be found guilty. For shame.

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