Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

redzerdrog

MUSEIST wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with the liverpool statement, if they are unhappy with the investigation they have every right to say so, racism is too serious an issue for a half arsed investigation.

agree with this and I am delighted with the clubs reaction to this

It appears Liverpool fc feel very strongly about this and they know a lot more about the case than the romours drip fed to the fans and if the club feel very strongly about this, untill or even if the findings are made public I see nothing to change my mind in full support of saurez and the club.

efb

Its a shame the FA do seem to share the same concern for other abuse.

The Terry one seems much more cut and dry but he'll get off cos he's the England Captain.

Dont be at yourself

Very strong statement from LFC, this one is going to drag on for a while...

Handsome Bob

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Thats becasue we are dealing with the FA here. I dont think any court of law would be punishing him on that evidence. The FA are just worrried about saving face on this, I think the delay meant they really didnt know what they were doing, but they couldnt be seen to do nothing

As I said earlier in the day, I reckon the decision was made last week, but they've used this time to make sure their judgement is legally sound. I have little hope in regards to an appeal or taking it further unfortunately.

Peyton Manning

I'm not sure who I want to have the last laugh, Liverpool fans or United fans. I think I'll just flip a coin and hope it somehow explodes and kills all of you.

ilovelamp2000

mixednuts wrote: »

If and when the FA release their evidence , and if it shows no other evidence bar Evras word against Suarez then plain and simply the Liverpool statement is the best piece written to date on this whole debacle .

I think it's deliberately facetious. I previously mentioned FSG's media tactics in the LFC thread, and they should be borne in mind when reading that statement.

I don't think they've addressed everything the FA have decided upon and have picked out one issue which they feel they have an argument in respect of. They will push that, like they have, whip up a frenzy amongst the fans against the FA knowing full well that the majority of fans won't bother to read the full reasoned judgement and instead will rely on that statement as evidence of Suarez being hard done by.

The Liverpool Way is well and truly dead, FSG are hard nosed c*nts - they don't care about the right and the wrong here. They care about their investment and that's it. I can see their view, but it's a little sickening to be honest.

Will I Amnt

Some people seriously embarrassing themselves and their fellow supporters in here this evening

Why not wait until there's more information on the charge instead of blindly ranting for or against it.
If he referenced his colour he should be banned,if they are charging him on Evras word alone as LFC are suggesting well that's just crazy.

Surely they have some solid ground to reach the decision or it could get very messy.

OwaynOTT

Ah he needs a break anyway. World cup 2010, full season, copa America and straight. A k into it. Do him the world of good.

This isn't over by a long shot, judging from the statement from Liverpool. However if the fa's findings does show it to be irrevocably true, well then I think Liverpool should punish him more wages wise.

ziggyman17

citytillidie wrote: »

I would say the FA would sake they had better be right if not then high court action could be taken by Suarez for them calling him a raciest

I think you should take spelling lessons..

MUSEIST

Fuhrer wrote: »

So, all the Liverpool fans in here making statements about Evra claiming he said such and such in his statement are completely and utterly full of ****.


They have no idea what he said in his statement and are just making **** up to support their player who has been convicted of racist abuse.


It is just utterly pathetic and I can imagine it is illegal too, what if I were to start posting that Suarez admitted in his statement that he was a child molester?

Tbh both sides are being pathetic. Without the full evidence in the public neither side can be sure of anything so its not unreasonable for liverpool fans to defend suarez. Likewise the utd fans are a disgrace also, you don't know the context of meaning of what suarez may have said so to call him racist is ridiculous given that nobody knows the full story or evidence.

thegen

If Suarez racially abused Evra an 8 match ban is soft, but if he has been found guilty solely on Evras word that also is a problem. If Evra abused Suarez he needs to be held accountable. I feel the FA have handled this badly.

Crazy Horse 6

kryogen wrote: »

You read exactly what I said and meant, if you are fully behind a player found guilty of racism you are an embarrassment and you should be ashamed of yourself

simple enough for you?

No no you said i was an embarassment to my mother, like i said what has that got to do with this case.

Plenty of internet hard men around tonight i see.

Jayob10

noodler wrote: »

I don't read the statement to be as great as others clearly.

If he used a racist term then he is guilty, we can argue about consistency or his "negrito" defence (as weak as it seems to me, albeit without access to the report) all we want but saying someone is not a racist does not mean they didn't use racist words.

Quite right. Its dangerous ground here for the club, its an extremely sensitive issue.

The club are emphasising his image as a humanitarian and the like but all if it means nothing in relation to a very specific incident. One term of endearment in one culture may be derogatory in another culture.

Very disappointed he will be missing for 8 games, but in fairness he needs banning if he has been found guilty. Everyone will jump on the bandwagon that the FA has a hidden agenda but the have deliberated and come to that conclusion based on evidence that we are not aware of yet.

Suarez has let the club and the fans down massively. He is a superb talent with a questionable temperment in my opinion.

At times like these I always wonder what the black players at the club think of all this. Its such a sensitive issue.

dahat

cambo2008 wrote: »

Surely they have some solid ground to charge him on or it could get very messy.

He has been charged,tried and found guilty.......enough said really....appeal will most likely get ban down to 5/6 games but the conviction stands i would bet my house on it

Tesco Massacre

Despite Liverpool's claims to the contrary, Evra has never actually made accusations against another player or club before.

Unearthly

I actually went onto the Liverpool website just to see if that statement was true.

My word.

mayordenis

ziggyman17 wrote: »

I think you should take spelling lessons..

Possibly the worst form of posting on an internet forum, criticising spelling? really? that's exceedingly tedious.

SoulTrader

That statement from Liverpool FC is shocking. What legal advice were they relying on when they put that out? They are dragging their club through the mud with rubbish like that.

And here's an interesting contradiction from it:

It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.

It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

So, you are happy to rely on Evra's testimony when it suits you, eh?

Fowler87

Bollix decision by the joke FA. Wont surprise if Terry will get off now with a warning now :rolleyes::mad:

niallo27

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

I think it's deliberately facetious. I previously mentioned FSG's media tactics in the LFC thread, and they should be borne in mind when reading that statement.

I don't think they've addressed everything the FA have decided upon and have picked out one issue which they feel they have an argument in respect of. They will push that, like they have, whip up a frenzy amongst the fans against the FA knowing full well that the majority of fans won't bother to read the full reasoned judgement and instead will rely on that statement as evidence of Suarez being hard done by.

The Liverpool Way is well and truly dead, FSG are hard nosed c*nts - they don't care about the right and the wrong here. They care about their investment and that's it. I can see their view, but it's a little sickening to be honest.

Are you calling into question kennys character, I don't think he would stand aside for nobody.

MUSEIST

efb wrote: »

Its a shame the FA do seem to share the same concern for other abuse.

The Terry one seems much more cut and dry but he'll get off cos he's the England Captain.

The terry one if far less cut and dry because nobody heard him make any remark (unlike suarez case), terry has explained what he said on the video evidence and I would imagine it would be very difficult for the fa to prove otherwise.

carlcon

Peyton Manning wrote: »

I'm not sure who I want to have the last laugh, Liverpool fans or United fans. I think I'll just flip a coin and hope it somehow explodes and kills all of you.

What have United fans got to do with this?

It's a "those who support Suarez" -v- "Everyone else" thing. Fans from all sorts of clubs are delighted that the FA have shown a firm hand in the face of racism.

ASOT

‎#LFC statement: We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.

Vudgie

Have to admit I am devestated by the news. I had hoped that this would have gone well, not that he would get off but that the charges were wrong etc. It will be interesting to see the evidence but there must be something fairly damning in it.

I would hope that other teams fans will allow us to be disappointed without claiming that we condone racism.

barone

every black player will be out to get suarez now in the prem.. be it cripple him or accuse him of racism..

:mad:

brick tamland

Wow liverpool press office really didnt think through that statment did they. Its not often you see the Fr Ted defence in real life

He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

If they had have read the FA statemnet it states that both the FA and Evra stated they dont think Suarez is racist

Brain Stroking

Fuhrer wrote: »

So, all the Liverpool fans in here making statements about Evra claiming he said such and such in his statement are completely and utterly full of ****.


They have no idea what he said in his statement and are just making **** up to support their player who has been convicted of racist abuse.


It is just utterly pathetic and I can imagine it is illegal too, what if I were to start posting that Suarez admitted in his statement that he was a child molester?

A lot of Uruguayan fathers would be connecting Suarez with their son returning home subdued and anxious from that Superstar Soccer Camp in Montevideo last summer

K-9

MUSEIST wrote: »

Tbh both sides are being pathetic. Without the full evidence in the public neither side can be sure of anything so its not unreasonable for liverpool fans to defend suarez. Likewise the utd fans are a disgrace also, you don't know the context of meaning of what suarez may have said so to call him racist is ridiculous given that nobody knows the full story or evidence.

Well I doubt Liverpool are lying that Evra and the FA accepted he isn't racist.

Obviously Evra said he was racially abused, we don't know what Suarez's defence was and there are no witnesses by the sounds of it.

noodler

argosy2006 wrote: »

PFA could have handled this better, Got the two players together, Apologize to one another, And make something positive out of whole thing
This outcome will only cause more fiction between these two players and Liverpool & Man u

Ah here, if he said something racist then he should be banned.

Sorry if you were making a Blatter-style joke there and it went over my head!

mormank wrote: »

It's basically a case of Evra's word versus the word of Luis Suarez. I cannot understand why so many supposed Liverpool fans on here are so quick to just accept the word of Patrice Evra over Suarez. It's almost like ye wanted Luis to be found guilty. For shame.

Hmmm....trying to maintain some semblence of perspective is a positive thing.

I have yet to read the report, either have you or the club, so it is wrong to assume right now that there was nothing else in there bar Evra's word.

stumpypeeps

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

I think it's deliberately facetious. I previously mentioned FSG's media tactics in the LFC thread, and they should be borne in mind when reading that statement.

I don't think they've addressed everything the FA have decided upon and have picked out one issue which they feel they have an argument in respect of. They will push that, like they have, whip up a frenzy amongst the fans against the FA knowing full well that the majority of fans won't bother to read the full reasoned judgement and instead will rely on that statement as evidence of Suarez being hard done by.

The Liverpool Way is well and truly dead, FSG are hard nosed c*nts - they don't care about the right and the wrong here. They care about their investment and that's it. I can see their view, but it's a little sickening to be honest.

Nice conspiracy theory.

The point that Liverpool seem to be pushing is that the entire basis of this verdict depends on one mans evidence.

In defending Suárez, Liverpool are expected to mention the incident between Evra and Chelsea’s groundstaff in 2008 which culminated in an FA hearing which concluded that “we find Mr Evra’s account exaggerated and unreliable”.