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tommyhaas · 20-12-2011 09:41PM

Knex. wrote: »

Maybe not in the eyes of the law but I don't see why not. Cannot see how the FA can look at the Suarez case and deem him 100% guilty of intentionally racially abusing Evra. The lad himself even admitted to saying "something his teammates call him" but completely denies using it in an insulting or derogatory manner. Its too arbitrary a scenario for the FA to label someones character with the racist tag and to hand out a fine/ban in this manner.

Terry on the other hand is caught rotten in this scenario.

Because in the eyes of the FA, you're either guilty or not guilty, there's no grey area. Suarez wasn't charged with intentionally racially abusing Evra, he was charged with abusing Evra with reference to race. If the negrito comment is true, then he is guilty as he has apparently admitted the racial reference

The circumstances may deem that Terry deserves a harsher sentence, but doubt over guilt is not a valid mitigating circumstance

Mr.Crinklewood · 20-12-2011 09:41PM

Never liked Liverpool, but always respected them, but that statement is shocking. Really hope it is a piss take.

They could have simply released a statement that they would review the situation, but that statement it furling the fire.

Tesco Massacre · 20-12-2011 09:41PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

You heard me. I hope and expect the clubs lawyers to rip the FA and Evra a new one. Everyone knows Evra insulted Suarez and yet the FA did nothing. The double standards are disgusting.

No they don't.

amiable · 20-12-2011 09:41PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I'm very proud of that statement.

I read it like it was saying 'We'll see you in court'

Mr Alan · 20-12-2011 09:42PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Eh say what?

In the hearing it's reported Evra admitted to abusing Suarez & that he brought ethnicity into it by saying 'get your hands off me south American'.

carlcon · 20-12-2011 09:42PM

Could the ban be extended if Liverpool appeal, in the way that bans can be extended if you appeal a red card?

Mr Alan · 20-12-2011 09:42PM

Tesco Massacre wrote: »

No they don't.

Evra admitted it during the hearing.

stumpypeeps · 20-12-2011 09:42PM

copacetic wrote: »

I'm delighted with it myself, we have a reputation as being too nice and an easy target for the FA in particular.

This is too serious a smear against the club and Luis Suarez to be let go. We have to fight is as strongly as possible imo.

Well one thing is for sure, the club will pursue this as far as is possible. Perhaps as far as the high court.

Points of interest.

1. Evra doesn't think Suarez is a rascist.

2. Suarez has mixed heritage.

3. Evra did not get charged despite admitting to abusing Suarez and the referee.

noodler · 20-12-2011 09:42PM

I don't read the statement to be as great as others clearly.

If he used a racist term then he is guilty, we can argue about consistency or his "negrito" defence (as weak as it seems to me, albeit without access to the report) all we want but saying someone is not a racist does not mean they didn't use racist words.

efb · 20-12-2011 09:43PM

Arsenal Fan- challenging Liverpool for 4th- I feel this is very excessive. Seems to be a real und v pool thing on here.

ctrl-alt-delete · 20-12-2011 09:43PM

carlcon wrote: »

Could the ban be extended if Liverpool appeal, in the way that bans can be extended if you appeal a red card?

I think that's just with Red cards, not so sure it will apply to a Black card.

slingerz · 20-12-2011 09:43PM

barone wrote: »

Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult

The bit about evra being the only one to hear the remarks says it all really

Zapp Brannigan · 20-12-2011 09:43PM

I think in this case it stands in our favour that our owners are American. They're gonna drag this out in court.

gerryo777 · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

micks wrote: »

Evra put in a complaint - if Suarez had countered that then maybe
but he didnt and Evra wasn't charged

Maybe Suarez has more about him than Evra....
How long before Evra accuses someone else...

Handsome Bob · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

amiable wrote: »

I read it like it was saying 'We'll see you in court'

It was more than that IMO, it was a tour de force in getting across Luis' character and heritage, while also highlighting the ludicrousness of the situation (Evra stating that he didn't think Suarez was a racist, the FA "accepting" this yet still banned for 8 games - wtf?).

CSF · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

Jesus Christ, that Liverpool thread is like a cesspit of nonsense at this moment. All the simpletons out to show their disgust. The outrage of people who do not really know exactly what happened or probably even close to it. Embarassing.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

If a fan was caught calling a black player a n*gger in England how long would they be banned for?

Chucky the tree · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

If we appeal will it still one of fergies best mates on the panel?

Crazy Horse 6 · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

eigrod wrote: »

It's pretty clear from that statement that Liverpool were presented with no evidence during the enquiry, solely Evra's words.

If they labelled him a racist and dished out an 8 match suspension based on Evra's word only, then hopefully the club's lawyers will bury them in the courts on this.

If that's the case and the FA went on Evra's word alone it's a joke.

eigrod · 20-12-2011 09:44PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Well one thing is for sure, the club will pursue this as far as is possible. Perhaps as far as the high court.

Points of interest.

1. Evra doesn't think Suarez is a rascist.

2. Suarez has mixed heritage.

3. Evra did not get charged despite admitting to abusing Suarez and the referee.

You forgot the most inportant one.....there appears to be no evidence. The accused (now convicted) was certainly not presented with any evidence if their statement tonight is to be believed. They convicted on one man's word against another.

J. Marston · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

Tut tut.

CSF · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

baz2009 wrote: »

If a fan was caught calling a black player a n*gger in England how long would they be banned for?

Life?

5starpool · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

It was more than that IMO, it was a tour de force in getting across Luis' character and heritage, while also highlighting the ludicrousness of the situation (Evra stating that he didn't think Suarez was a racist, the FA "accepting" this yet still banned for 8 games - wtf?).

I think you need to take it to your own forum

citytillidie · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

carlcon wrote: »

Is that statement from Liverpool for real?

Embarrassing.

Why because it is showing the FA to be hypocrites

If they charge Luis for using insulting language, then why are they not charging Evra for the same after he admitted to it in his statement.

copacetic · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

I'm not, the reaction of some fans on here is that they believe an 8 match ban for Suarez is ridiculous.

Fact is - proven guilty by the FA. Can't see how he's defensible really if this is the case. But every inch of proof will be overexamined by certain fans who won't let it go and just take the punishment.

He and the club are entitled to appeal, and the punishment is suspended until after the appeal. He hasn't been 'proven' guilty, he has been found guilty after months of investigation and a week of argument all on the word of one person.

20-12-2011 09:45PM

Absolutely fantastic statement from LFC, Thankfully they are not taking this lying down.

We need Lord Grabiner again he will take the FA apart in a court room.

MUSEIST · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

I see nothing wrong with the liverpool statement, if they are unhappy with the investigation they have every right to say so, racism is too serious an issue for a half arsed investigation.

MagicMarker · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

I'm delighted simply because of the increased entertainment factor in here.

Other than that I really couldn't give a toss.

mayordenis · 20-12-2011 09:45PM

carlcon wrote: »

Could the ban be extended if Liverpool appeal, in the way that bans can be extended if you appeal a red card?

Generally the idea is that if the appeal is deemed frivalous then it could be extended but if you're saying it should be extended just for wanting to be allowed argue your side then you would be a facist.

efb · 20-12-2011 09:46PM

Funny some of the people who are condemning Suarez so easily seem to adore players who have done far far worse.

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