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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I'll pay it as long as everyone else has to pay it. No exemptions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Fathers not going to pay it.

    Said he had no problem paying it up until he heard about having too fill out a form. Besides local councils get enough funding as it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 356 ✭✭hoorsmelt


    Not bloody likely. Pay enough tax to prop up European banks already, would have no problem if this was going to local services but there's not a fiddler's chance in hell that this will filter down to local services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭irelandspurs


    I'm going to buy a tent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭Joshua Jones


    You ever been there when you're completely broke and you have to go count up and bag your change from your copper jar and your hands stink from the smell of all the brock.

    That's Ireland that is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    I will pay and so will 90% of the people who say the won't.

    Armchair rebels surrender easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I'm not paying it because I don't own a house. I'll never be able to afford one. I'm going to have to live with about 6 people. Is this the end of 2 person couples and cohabitation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    I'm renting a house, does my landlord or myself pay it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Carter P Fly


    Ill pay because I'm a grownup and a professional and dont need courts and convictions in my life for the sake of a hundred quid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    No, I rent!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm renting a house, does my landlord or myself pay it?
    Your landlord will have to pay it but I can guarantee he will pass the cost onto you one way or another.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm renting a house, does my landlord or myself pay it?

    The owner pays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭odnauq


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm renting a house, does my landlord or myself pay it?
    The owner of the property pays and there will be a hefty fine for non payment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    It's €100, that's around €8.33 a month.

    I'm finding it absolutely baffling how people can get worked up over this, yet will happily spend as much on a single drink on a night out....

    Get a grip. Seriously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Slozer


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm renting a house, does my landlord or myself pay it?

    It's a 'property tax' not a 'rent a property tax' so I don't see why you should. No doubt landlords will try passing this on though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Ill pay because I'm a grownup and a professional and dont need courts and convictions in my life for the sake of a hundred quid.
    The reason that many people don't want to pay it is because the hundred quid will be a thousand quid in a few years ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    I will pay and so will 90% of the people who say the won't.

    Armchair rebels surrender easily.

    Easy to scoff when you can afford to pay. Some people have been squeezed so much that the money just isn't there.

    It should be means tested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Shenshen wrote: »
    It's €100, that's around €8.33 a month.

    I'm finding it absolutely baffling how people can get worked up over this, yet will happily spend as much on a single drink on a night out....

    Get a grip. Seriously.
    Your right how long do you think it will stay at €8.33 a month :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Your right how long do you think it will stay at €8.33 a month :rolleyes:

    Until they have the structure in place to means-test, and the meters installed to charge for the water?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Wattle wrote: »
    Easy to scoff when you can afford to pay. Some people have been squeezed so much that the money just isn't there.

    It should be means tested.

    How many people do you know who cannot afford 8 quid a month?

    And while on topic, how many of those would be smokers? Just out of curiosity?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Wattle wrote: »
    Easy to scoff when you can afford to pay. Some people have been squeezed so much that the money just isn't there.

    It should be means tested.

    They cant afford 8 quid a month?

    If things are that tight then they should look to get some kind of mortgage interest relief and therefore won't need to pay the property charge.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Roughly 2 euro a week.

    If you dont pay, you will only end up paying more. Dont be silly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Shenshen wrote: »
    It's €100, that's around €8.33 a month.

    I'm finding it absolutely baffling how people can get worked up over this, yet will happily spend as much on a single drink on a night out....

    Get a grip. Seriously.

    I dont get this response?

    Its €8.33 a month too fcuking much!!!

    Were being charged a tax to live in a poxy house that (not through ordinary Joe Soaps fault) is worth prob half of what it was when we bought it, due to the completely wreckless behaviour of corrupt politicians and greedy bankers.

    This charge is for us to pay back the BILLIONS squandered by them, robbed by them, and mismanaged by them FFS!

    It doesnt matter two fiddlers farts the amount, its just the fact that we have to pay it in the first place!

    Oh yeah, its 100 this year (TO BEGIN WITH) what will it be next year if we let them away with slipping it under the door this year?

    Civil disobedience is the way forward, lets all stand together, tell FG and the greedy bankers to go fcuk themselves!

    Typical response from the 'ah sure it'll be grand brigade'!

    Fcuk em, Fcuk the lot of them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    You wouldn't think a "property tax" on your sole property would be legal. Is it not your "right" to own a house. Some people are already breaking their balls paying the mortgage. They should have put 15% tax on to all alcohol sales. Make a fortune.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    I'll pay.

    The usual left-wing loonies in the Dail jumping up and down about this are a joke.

    I guess they would prefer if we cut social welfare, or health or education or public service pay?

    Course not - they just want to stir sh;t up without actually proposing any alternatives.

    We should have had a property tax introduced decades ago, instead of depending on cyclical taxes like VAT and Stamp Duty.

    This country needs to get its **** together by establishing a broad and robust tax base - water and property tax are part of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I dont get this response?

    Its €8.33 a month too fcuking much!!!

    Were being charged a tax to live in a poxy house that (not through ordinary Joe Soaps fault) is worth prob half of what it was when we bought it, due to the completely wreckless behaviour of corrupt politicians and greedy bankers.

    Then what did you buy it for?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    syklops wrote: »
    Then what did you buy it for?

    What kind of a question is this?
    Because I, we, (my wife and child) needed somewhere to live for Christs sake!
    We didn't buy hoping to make money on the house, we didn't buy it as a second home.
    We simply got married and bought a family home together, we couldn't foresee the crap that was coming down the line not even a year later!

    The attitude from a few folk here seems to be 'you bought a house so deserve to suffer'.

    Where were we supposed to live?

    I've lived within my means, even at the height of the boom, I always drove a second hand car, didn't go on holidays that often (and by this I mean not even once a year) so pardon me for trying to provide a house and home for my family, I surely deserve to suffer for doing that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I dont get this response?

    Its €8.33 a month too fcuking much!!!

    Were being charged a tax to live in a poxy house that (not through ordinary Joe Soaps fault) is worth prob half of what it was when we bought it, due to the completely wreckless behaviour of corrupt politicians and greedy bankers.

    This charge is for us to pay back the BILLIONS squandered by them, robbed by them, and mismanaged by them FFS!

    It doesnt matter two fiddlers farts the amount, its just the fact that we have to pay it in the first place!

    Oh yeah, its 100 this year (TO BEGIN WITH) what will it be next year if we let them away with slipping it under the door this year?

    Civil disobedience is the way forward, lets all stand together, tell FG and the greedy bankers to go fcuk themselves!

    Typical response from the 'ah sure it'll be grand brigade'!

    Fcuk em, Fcuk the lot of them!
    Who forced you to buy a house?
    Unless it was at gunpoint I have no sympathy for you.

    Pay the household charge.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    Not sure yet, probably will end up paying for it but If I do I will be running every tap in the house constantly for the year, why becuase I paid for it, that's why.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I dont get this response?

    Its €8.33 a month too fcuking much!!!

    Were being charged a tax to live in a poxy house that (not through ordinary Joe Soaps fault) is worth prob half of what it was when we bought it, due to the completely wreckless behaviour of corrupt politicians and greedy bankers.

    This charge is for us to pay back the BILLIONS squandered by them, robbed by them, and mismanaged by them FFS!

    It doesnt matter two fiddlers farts the amount, its just the fact that we have to pay it in the first place!

    Oh yeah, its 100 this year (TO BEGIN WITH) what will it be next year if we let them away with slipping it under the door this year?

    Civil disobedience is the way forward, lets all stand together, tell FG and the greedy bankers to go fcuk themselves!

    Typical response from the 'ah sure it'll be grand brigade'!

    Fcuk em, Fcuk the lot of them!
    Keyboard warrior.

    Pay your taxes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I'm paying because I like the idea that the additional tax burden will give my splenetic moron tirades about the destiantion of "my taxes" ve even more imagined greivance.

    It's cheap at the price, really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    I'd pay double if i could


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I dont get this response?

    Its €8.33 a month too fcuking much!!!

    Were being charged a tax to live in a poxy house that (not through ordinary Joe Soaps fault) is worth prob half of what it was when we bought it, due to the completely wreckless behaviour of corrupt politicians and greedy bankers.

    This charge is for us to pay back the BILLIONS squandered by them, robbed by them, and mismanaged by them FFS!

    It doesnt matter two fiddlers farts the amount, its just the fact that we have to pay it in the first place!

    Oh yeah, its 100 this year (TO BEGIN WITH) what will it be next year if we let them away with slipping it under the door this year?

    Civil disobedience is the way forward, lets all stand together, tell FG and the greedy bankers to go fcuk themselves!

    Typical response from the 'ah sure it'll be grand brigade'!

    Fcuk em, Fcuk the lot of them!


    It's everyone elses fault but mine blah blah blah :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭tonysea


    A lot of "Im alright so fcuk you Jack" attitudes here. Shame on you

    http://www.petitiononline.ie/signatures/say-no-to-the-new-household-charge/1383


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    I'd pay double if i could

    I can help you with that, put your money where your mouth is and pay mine and yours.

    Simple. :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    the idiots that register and pay this will be the ones whinging and moaning next year and the year after that because of a much larger property tax forced onto them.

    I won't be paying it so they can go fcuk themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    zenno wrote: »
    the idiots that register and pay this will be the ones whinging and moaning next year and the year after that because of a much larger property tax forced onto them.

    I won't be paying it so they can go fcuk themselves.

    So your not going to pay a tax this year because of an increase that might come in next year? Logical. Very good.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    Hey If I have to pay for my water, then it's my water.
    And I can do whatever I like with my water which I paid for so.........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    As others have said this is just the starting point. Many people will cough up thinking, sure it's only 100 but It will increase year on year on year until you are paying god knows what.

    This is a tax for owning/renting your own home. Some are saying that it is for LA services yet they are so
    inefficient. You will be paying for so much wastage within the LAs.

    Some are comparing it to the UK system where they get refuse and other services for their money. I want to know what things are like over their in the uk - average income, net income, taxes, prices for rent, food, clothing, transport - car public transport, medical costs etc.

    I thought it was in the constitution that everyone has a right to shelter. This tax is going against peoples right to shelter, is it not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    syklops wrote: »
    So your not going to pay a tax this year because of an increase that might come in next year? Logical. Very good.

    It is logical. I'm sick of being screwed and have had enough. the criminal government won't be forcing me to register and pay I can assure you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Fattes


    Jo Higgins is not going to pay

    Well he does not have to he lives with his mother in HER HOUSE!!! Therfore he is not going to get hit with the tax.......

    He really is a hero :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭vintac34


    Happy to pay BUT ONLY IF the public funded pensions of the politicans and senior public servants are capped at max of european average,not payable until OAP entitlement age and one state pension only per person...
    Remember thats where most of our money is going!!!!Our so called government(with a
    small g) looking after themselves and their friends..
    Recent payouts show its still as bad as with the last regime..same club..different tent!!!!

    The geriatric rest home for friends and failed(aka the senate)was to be abolished,but all gone quiet on this..Shut it down now and keep a hospital open for heavens sake!!
    ..
    Happy xmas from what i feel is the most corrupt country in europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    syklops wrote: »
    They cant afford 8 quid a month?

    If things are that tight then they should look to get some kind of mortgage interest relief and therefore won't need to pay the property charge.
    syklops wrote: »
    Then what did you buy it for?
    syklops wrote: »
    So your not going to pay a tax this year because of an increase that might come in next year? Logical. Very good.

    You dont own a house (in this country) yet do you?

    :rolleyes:

    Come back and preach to me when you become a responsible adult and get bills like the rest of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I thought it was in the constitution that everyone has a right to shelter.

    No, it's not. There is a right to own property (Article 43.1) but that's a different thing entirely.
    This tax is going against peoples right to shelter, is it not?

    No, it's not. By the same logic rent and mortgage payments should be illegal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    I'll pay it. People in other countries like the UK have been paying rates for years. I don't see the huge problem with a one hundred euro tax.

    Yes, it may increase but the country is fooked, the majority of us enjoyed the high life for a few years but we'll have to cut back now. No point whingeing about it.

    I still know and see people every day complaining about how they've no money and are being robbed left, right and centre with taxes while buying 3 or 4 cups of coffee a day, smoking 20 cigarettes and spending five or so euro on a sandwich for lunch when a loaf of bread costs less than €2.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Ghandee wrote: »
    You dont own a house (in this country) yet do you?

    :rolleyes:

    Come back and preach to me when you become a responsible adult and get bills like the rest of us.
    You don't own a house (in any other countries) yet do you?

    Come back and preach about how expensive service charges are here when you do?

    :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    It looks like the fear from government has affected many sheeple here already. no wonder this country is in the mess it is when the Irish people bow down and take it every way their told to. stand up for yourselves and stop being a bunch of frightened children ffs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Ghandee wrote: »
    You dont own a house (in this country) yet do you?

    :rolleyes:

    Come back and preach to me when you become a responsible adult and get bills like the rest of us.

    I do get bills like responsible adults. And when the bank was throwing cash at me I also acted responsibly and didn't buy a house I cant afford.

    If you are saying that you can not afford this charge then I suggested you look into relief. I am not pointing at you and laughing, I sympathise.

    However, if you can afford to pay the property tax, and instead are just engaging in posturing on the internet to appear like a poor and hard done by property owner then I think you are a sad and pathetic little man and I pity you for other reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    You don't own a house (in any other countries) yet do you?

    Come back and preach about how expensive service charges are here when you do?

    :rolleyes:

    You can stop rolling your eyes, because I do own a house in County Derry too btw. I inherited it from my grandparents, and a family member occupies it (rent free btw)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Lemlin wrote: »
    the majority of us enjoyed the high life for a few years but we'll have to cut back now. No point whingeing about it.

    what sort of drivel is that ?. you may have enjoyed the high life but I and many others certainly did not and we are getting battered to death with this sh1t.


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