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Winter 2011/2012
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vtec_vixen wrote: »
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Hmm looks like something for East Ireland on Monday, Not sure how accurate this is and dont have anything else to substantiate it but one can hope
:):D
The 500 is the kicker here , I think that is snow at 500 feet line .0 -
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pistolpetes11 wrote: »The 500 is the kicker here , I think that is snow at 500 feet line .
Hmm oh so just at an altitude of 500 feet??. Well that's depressing, You'd know I haven't a clue about weather charts lol
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That chart represents the freezing level (i.e. 0 °C isotherm), in meters, not the snow line, which would be lower, as snow can fall in temperatures above 0 °C. What is a more relevant chart is the wet-bulb zero level, which is the level where the wet-bulb temperature is zero. This would roughly be the snow line, but other factors also need to be accounted for.
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Celtic Snow Man wrote: »I find it all to understand at the best of times and Piers new update does not make me any wiser.
Waat do you make of this forecast?
http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/14days.asp
Are they credible?
Mark Vogan says we are in for a big change around the 15th.
'Sorry we couldn't find your location...'
Type in Dublin :
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That website completely refuses to acknowledge Ireland exists. Even if you go to the Europe section and the list of all the countries in Europe Ireland isn't there :eek::eek::mad::rolleyes: 0 -
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Is it possible it could get stronger and they would have to revise their winter forecasts for a very different reason?
We can still get decent wintry episodes with a strong pv, via northern topplers, but if we want sustained cold we really need to see the pv split or at least be displaced through a warming event. I guess the last couple of years have raised the bar.0 -
Even if NAO went very neg with that AO of a plus 4 or 5 we would NOT see a long cold spell however the AO is very high what could happen is the very cold air in the pole could tip like coins do in a slot machine and cause the cold air to come down south even with such a high AO index .
The ao in at record highs from what i can see
There is so much cold up in the pole it could come south its really strange the way it was neg -4 last year and now record high plus 4 . Shows to me the blocking is still very much in place this year even with sunspots beefing up.
What goes up must come down but it could take some months but lets hope vogan is correct he thinks around the 15th however basterdi now thinks it wont go very negative like last year but expects winter 2012 -13 and 2013 - 14 to be neg AO and NAO
So basterdi seems to be pointing to a normal irish winter this year
Vogan and Madden seem to still go with the idea of a huge dip in the AO and NAO however if this does not happen it will make there forecasts way off.
i think end of jan and into feb and march are best chance to see snow sometime in that time frame.
That was a mistype on my behalf its the AO that is forecasting to a negative trend.
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I love reading this thread.. you can almost feel the anticipation on here.
Now just to add to the crystal ball predictions.. made a post some time back that we would see some snow on Dec 11th... (random date of course)
here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74975536&postcount=14
Just kinda would like to say (based on no meteorological skills what so ever) this prediction still stands!! (please don't flame, at this stage it's just a bit of craic)... although looking at the long range charts over the last 3 days it is heading in the right direction ie. temps dropping.. but no real sign yet of snow (in my limited opinion).
Common we need some of the white stuff.. even though is is a pain to work outdoors in it, a week or two would be nice.0 -
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ignore metcheck.
It's just an automated spouting of each gfs run.
So for example next week on it is what the latest gfs fantasy island chart shows.
Even within 48hrs it's usually wrong as the gfs varies from run to run.
Real forecasts are made by qualified meteorologists who use their intuition and a blend of all models.
Met check on the other hand is just an automated unofficial gfs display programme codding those not in the know for years.
It's owner was in prison at one point iirc for matters unrelated to weather and may still be inside.
Blackius, this type of comment is totally unnecessary and completely unrelated to weather, and I've seen several users get banned for similar. Also, the overall post refers only to one site (Metcheck), implying that it's the only one that delivers such a service, when in fact there are many. This could be viewed in a bad light, but as you may be new to the forum (though I have the feeling that baraca may not be a million miles away above), I will just ask that you stick to discussing weather in future.
That goes for everyone too (mrweatherman). 0 -
Brian Gaze, one of the most respected forecasters over on TWO (The Weather Outlook) has just issued his winter forecast for 2011/2012.
Again, its a LRF however it would now appear that more and more forecasters are now going for an average winter in the UK & Ireland.
Please bear in mind that the forecast is for the UK only however this would by extension, give some indication of his anticipated winter for Ireland.
The word "rain" is used plenty of times and I do not see the word "snow" employed much, except in relation to higher ground. If his forecast turns out to be correct, it could be time for the snow lovers of Ireland to mourn as we could be in for a dismal Atlantic mild fest However time will tell and I am still putting my faith in MT's prediction of a very cold January 2012............
D
Winter 2011: Close to average
Overview
A close to average winter is forecast with a weak bias towards slightly below normal temperatures over the three month period. Despite temperatures close to the average over the three month period as a whole, some colder spells are expected to bring a risk of some snow to all parts of the country, especially the north and east..
Temperature
Temperatures are expected to be close to or possibly just slightly below the long term average over the three month period. A deviation of between -0.7C to +0.3C from the 1971-2000 average is expected.
Precipitation
Over the three month period precipitation levels are generally expected to be close to average.
December
Temperature: Slightly below average
Precipitation: Above average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to bring a lot of unsettled and at times stormy weather to much of the UK. Temperatures will often be close to or just below average in the south, with colder conditions developing further north. Higher ground in northern regions could see significant snowfall, and at times snow could fall to lower levels in these areas, and over higher ground further south. Overnight frost developing at times.. Second half
The second half of the month may begin with a spell of quiet and cool weather as high pressure builds across the UK. This could bring a significant risk of frost and possibly fog, although bright conditions are likely at times. Later on a return to less settled weather is expected with rain affecting most of the UK again. The less settled weather should often be accompanied by higher temperatures, and southern areas may be rather mild at times. However, transitory colder conditions could continue to bring the possibility of wintry showers over higher ground, especially in the north.
January
Temperature: Close to average (Possibly slightly below)
Precipitation: Close to average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to begin rather unsettled conditions, with wet and windy weather and close to average temperatures for most of the country. Rainfall levels during the early part of the month may well be quite high across most of the UK, although drier conditions are expected at times, especially in the south east. Later in the period settled conditions may develop bringing an increasing risk of overnight frost.
Second half
The second half of the month is expected to bring colder conditions at times with frost developing increasingly widely. Some sleet or snow is likely, particularly in eastern regions. In the west and south west colder conditions are more likely to be interspersed by more frequent milder interludes which will bring a greater chance of rain and extend to eastern areas at times.
February
Temperature: Slightly above average (possibly close to)
Precipitation: Below average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to begin with rather cold and dry conditions, especially in eastern regions. Overnight frost is likely to be quite widespread and possibly sharp for a time. A change to less settled weather is expected to develop with temperatures returning to average values and outbreaks of rain affecting most of the UK. By the middle of the month dry conditions may return, with temperatures close to average in the west, but colder in the east with a risk of wintry showers and overnight frost at times.
Second half
The second half of the month may bring a good deal of dry to the south and south east, with temperatures probably rising above average. Less settled spells of weather are expected further north and west with rain and above average temperatures.
Forecast Issued 30/11/2011
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I love reading this thread.. you can almost feel the anticipation on here.
Now just to add to the crystal ball predictions.. made a post some time back that we would see some snow on Dec 11th... (random date of course)
here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74975536&postcount=14
Just kinda would like to say (based on no meteorological skills what so ever) this prediction still stands!! (please don't flame, at this stage it's just a bit of craic)... although looking at the long range charts over the last 3 days it is heading in the right direction ie. temps dropping.. but no real sign yet of snow (in my limited opinion).
Common we need some of the white stuff.. even though is is a pain to work outdoors in it, a week or two would be nice.
:eek:
Tazio, himself said the same thing about the same date, also based on absolutely no science!! That must be more to it than this.... *rubs chin, camera pans out*:cool:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75710791&postcount=20180 -
Brian Gaze, one of the most respected forecasters over on TWO (The Weather Outlook) has just issued his winter forecast for 2011/2012.
Again, its a LRF however it would now appear that more and more forecasters are now going for an average winter in the UK & Ireland.
Please bear in mind that the forecast is for the UK only however this would by extension, give some indication of his anticipated winter for Ireland.
The word "rain" is used plenty of times and I do not see the word "snow" employed much, except in relation to higher ground. If his forecast turns out to be correct, it could be time for the snow lovers of Ireland to mourn as we could be in for a dismal Atlantic mild fest However time will tell and I am still putting my faith in MT's prediction of a very cold January 2012............
D
Winter 2011: Close to average
Overview
A close to average winter is forecast with a weak bias towards slightly below normal temperatures over the three month period. Despite temperatures close to the average over the three month period as a whole, some colder spells are expected to bring a risk of some snow to all parts of the country, especially the north and east..
Temperature
Temperatures are expected to be close to or possibly just slightly below the long term average over the three month period. A deviation of between -0.7C to +0.3C from the 1971-2000 average is expected.
Precipitation
Over the three month period precipitation levels are generally expected to be close to average.
December
Temperature: Slightly below average
Precipitation: Above average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to bring a lot of unsettled and at times stormy weather to much of the UK. Temperatures will often be close to or just below average in the south, with colder conditions developing further north. Higher ground in northern regions could see significant snowfall, and at times snow could fall to lower levels in these areas, and over higher ground further south. Overnight frost developing at times.. Second half
The second half of the month may begin with a spell of quiet and cool weather as high pressure builds across the UK. This could bring a significant risk of frost and possibly fog, although bright conditions are likely at times. Later on a return to less settled weather is expected with rain affecting most of the UK again. The less settled weather should often be accompanied by higher temperatures, and southern areas may be rather mild at times. However, transitory colder conditions could continue to bring the possibility of wintry showers over higher ground, especially in the north.
January
Temperature: Close to average (Possibly slightly below)
Precipitation: Close to average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to begin rather unsettled conditions, with wet and windy weather and close to average temperatures for most of the country. Rainfall levels during the early part of the month may well be quite high across most of the UK, although drier conditions are expected at times, especially in the south east. Later in the period settled conditions may develop bringing an increasing risk of overnight frost.
Second half
The second half of the month is expected to bring colder conditions at times with frost developing increasingly widely. Some sleet or snow is likely, particularly in eastern regions. In the west and south west colder conditions are more likely to be interspersed by more frequent milder interludes which will bring a greater chance of rain and extend to eastern areas at times.
February
Temperature: Slightly above average (possibly close to)
Precipitation: Below average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to begin with rather cold and dry conditions, especially in eastern regions. Overnight frost is likely to be quite widespread and possibly sharp for a time. A change to less settled weather is expected to develop with temperatures returning to average values and outbreaks of rain affecting most of the UK. By the middle of the month dry conditions may return, with temperatures close to average in the west, but colder in the east with a risk of wintry showers and overnight frost at times.
Second half
The second half of the month may bring a good deal of dry to the south and south east, with temperatures probably rising above average. Less settled spells of weather are expected further north and west with rain and above average temperatures.
Forecast Issued 30/11/2011
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well a little hope for coldlovers after reading this bit of bad news :P i looked around for brian gazes winter forecast for last year and found only one site that had his forecast for last winter,maybe he took it down or something because i couldnt find it on the weather outlooks site.anyway brian gaze got it quite wrong last year saying worst of cold would be in 2nd half of january and first half of february which was very wrong as they were very warm and said the winter would be not as bad as 09/10 with shorther less prolonged cold spells ...so thats good news hopefully hes wrong again:D so he was quite off the mark...didnt even forecast the very early november snow! his forecast---- http://www.kitingireland.com/forum/index.php?topic=4782.0Brian Gaze, one of the most respected forecasters over on TWO (The Weather Outlook) has just issued his winter forecast for 2011/2012.
Again, its a LRF however it would now appear that more and more forecasters are now going for an average winter in the UK & Ireland.
Please bear in mind that the forecast is for the UK only however this would by extension, give some indication of his anticipated winter for Ireland.
The word "rain" is used plenty of times and I do not see the word "snow" employed much, except in relation to higher ground. If his forecast turns out to be correct, it could be time for the snow lovers of Ireland to mourn as we could be in for a dismal Atlantic mild fest However time will tell and I am still putting my faith in MT's prediction of a very cold January 2012............
D
Winter 2011: Close to average
Overview
A close to average winter is forecast with a weak bias towards slightly below normal temperatures over the three month period. Despite temperatures close to the average over the three month period as a whole, some colder spells are expected to bring a risk of some snow to all parts of the country, especially the north and east..
Temperature
Temperatures are expected to be close to or possibly just slightly below the long term average over the three month period. A deviation of between -0.7C to +0.3C from the 1971-2000 average is expected.
Precipitation
Over the three month period precipitation levels are generally expected to be close to average.
December
Temperature: Slightly below average
Precipitation: Above average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to bring a lot of unsettled and at times stormy weather to much of the UK. Temperatures will often be close to or just below average in the south, with colder conditions developing further north. Higher ground in northern regions could see significant snowfall, and at times snow could fall to lower levels in these areas, and over higher ground further south. Overnight frost developing at times.. Second half
The second half of the month may begin with a spell of quiet and cool weather as high pressure builds across the UK. This could bring a significant risk of frost and possibly fog, although bright conditions are likely at times. Later on a return to less settled weather is expected with rain affecting most of the UK again. The less settled weather should often be accompanied by higher temperatures, and southern areas may be rather mild at times. However, transitory colder conditions could continue to bring the possibility of wintry showers over higher ground, especially in the north.
January
Temperature: Close to average (Possibly slightly below)
Precipitation: Close to average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to begin rather unsettled conditions, with wet and windy weather and close to average temperatures for most of the country. Rainfall levels during the early part of the month may well be quite high across most of the UK, although drier conditions are expected at times, especially in the south east. Later in the period settled conditions may develop bringing an increasing risk of overnight frost.
Second half
The second half of the month is expected to bring colder conditions at times with frost developing increasingly widely. Some sleet or snow is likely, particularly in eastern regions. In the west and south west colder conditions are more likely to be interspersed by more frequent milder interludes which will bring a greater chance of rain and extend to eastern areas at times.
February
Temperature: Slightly above average (possibly close to)
Precipitation: Below average
First half
The first half of the month is expected to begin with rather cold and dry conditions, especially in eastern regions. Overnight frost is likely to be quite widespread and possibly sharp for a time. A change to less settled weather is expected to develop with temperatures returning to average values and outbreaks of rain affecting most of the UK. By the middle of the month dry conditions may return, with temperatures close to average in the west, but colder in the east with a risk of wintry showers and overnight frost at times.
Second half
The second half of the month may bring a good deal of dry to the south and south east, with temperatures probably rising above average. Less settled spells of weather are expected further north and west with rain and above average temperatures.
Forecast Issued 30/11/2011
what would you guys rate his winter forecast for last year? i'd give 3/10 purely for the fact he said itd be cold..he got the timing very wrong.0 -
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Mark Vogan believes that there will be a significant drop in temperatures in the second week of December and that much of the UK will be snow covered in the week up to Christmas. Hmmm... So himself, Piers, the odd persons Cat :rolleyes: and (correct me if I am wrong) Madden believe from around 14/15 of December we (UK and Ireland) will begin to see a lot of snow? I'll believe it because I want to... Some nice charts on FI too. 0
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Mark Vogan believes that there will be a significant drop in temperatures in the second week of December and that much of the UK will be snow covered in the week up to Christmas. Hmmm... So himself, Piers, the odd persons Cat :rolleyes: and (correct me if I am wrong) Madden believe from around 14/15 of December we (UK and Ireland) will begin to see a lot of snow? I'll believe it because I want to... Some nice charts on FI too.
You can include me in that list as well, Although probably not to the extent of vogans views!0 -
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