Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Mountainlad · 19-09-2011 10:34pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

i can see it being a Ballygunner vs Tallow final this year.

hard to believe that both Tallow and Ballyduff upper are in the semi finals with both clubs only having a combined total of 4 intercounty Senoir Hurlers on the panel this year (Stephen Molumphy/Adrain Power- Ballyduff) and (Tomas Ryan/Aidan Kearney-Tallow). Anyway id say they will be great buzz up in the west of the county over the next while. Tallow by 4

De la salle and Ballygunner will be a classic game i think, both clubs have good squads, both teams are on form and there will be great buzz in the city. Ballygunner by 2pts.

Id say Tallow vs Ballyduff Upper will be on the Sat 1st Oct in Fraher Field
while the De La Salle vs Ballygunner will be on Sun 2nd Oct in Walsh Park.

Final will most likely be on in Fraher Field on Sunday 16th October.

The Waterford Champions will face the Tipperary Champions in the Quarter Final of the Munster Senoir Club Championship on Sunday 30th October in a Tipperary Venue and the winners will face the Limerick Champions (Ahane or Na Pairsaigh) on the 13th November in a Tipp or Wat Venue in the Semi Finals

How many have De La Salle? 2 I believe.

cascade12 · 19-09-2011 10:48pm

I was sitting in the stand last night at Fraher field at the Ballygunner game and I noticed Michael Ryan and Nicky Cashin sat side by side and both left the ground together. It is obvious that Cashin is part of Ryans team. If so, I think it would be a good option.

deisebhoy17 · 20-09-2011 6:27am

Deise 2012 wrote: »

Why, I am sure most people would have loved to see a Ballygunner and De La Salle final. They are the best two teams in the county right now.

Not necessarily. We had it last years and it was actually very one-sided! We had the Mount sion-Ballygunner dominance in finals for god knows how many years and conspiracy theorists were up in arms... Now here we are complaining that its a joke that the draw isnt rigged??? That is what you are saying if you read back on your post.

Jeddah · 20-09-2011 10:11am

cascade12 wrote: »

I was sitting in the stand last night at Fraher field at the Ballygunner game and I noticed Michael Ryan and Nicky Cashin sat side by side and both left the ground together. It is obvious that Cashin is part of Ryans team. If so, I think it would be a good option.

Reported in the Examiner this morning of also a possible pairing of Jason Ryan and James McGarry who is coaching Ballyhale at the moment. Fanning is not letting his name go forward.

Deise 2012 · 20-09-2011 11:32am

PTH2009 wrote: »

i can see it being a Ballygunner vs Tallow final this year.

hard to believe that both Tallow and Ballyduff upper are in the semi finals with both clubs only having a combined total of 4 intercounty Senoir Hurlers on the panel this year (Stephen Molumphy/Adrain Power- Ballyduff) and (Tomas Ryan/Aidan Kearney-Tallow). Anyway id say they will be great buzz up in the west of the county over the next while. Tallow by 4

De la salle and Ballygunner will be a classic game i think, both clubs have good squads, both teams are on form and there will be great buzz in the city. Ballygunner by 2pts.

Id say Tallow vs Ballyduff Upper will be on the Sat 1st Oct in Fraher Field
while the De La Salle vs Ballygunner will be on Sun 2nd Oct in Walsh Park.

Final will most likely be on in Fraher Field on Sunday 16th October.

The Waterford Champions will face the Tipperary Champions in the Quarter Final of the Munster Senoir Club Championship on Sunday 30th October in a Tipperary Venue and the winners will face the Limerick Champions (Ahane or Na Pairsaigh) on the 13th November in a Tipp or Wat Venue in the Semi Finals

Do you know something that others dont. Isnt the hurling county finals played in Waterford this year. Would only be Fraher Field if two western teams were in it, whichn cant happen now.

Deise 2012 · 20-09-2011 11:36am

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Not necessarily. We had it last years and it was actually very one-sided! We had the Mount sion-Ballygunner dominance in finals for god knows how many years and conspiracy theorists were up in arms... Now here we are complaining that its a joke that the draw isnt rigged??? That is what you are saying if you read back on your post.

After beating DLS rather handy in the league section of the championship last year, is there a possibility that Ballygunner went into the County Final a little to cocky, and were caught out. It could also be said that DLS after the hammering they got, went out with nothing to loose in the county final and that they wanted to show that they were no where near as poor as the first result suggested, which as we know they are not.

hardybuck · 20-09-2011 1:21pm

I'd be fairly surprised if Ballygunner went into the game underestimating DLS, but I wouldn't be surprised some of their supporters encouraged that rumour. Easier to give that as a reason rather than admit to DLS being a far superior team. DLS also won both their quarter and semi finals by around 20 points, so they knew what they were coming up against.

Ballygunner, and in particular their young Waterford players, have improved at a far quicker rate than anyone expected. I for one never saw the likes of Pauric Mahony, Brian & David O'Sullivan coming near intercounty standard for another couple of years, but now they are at that level or therabouts.

DLS haven't peaked this season yet. Last year they exploded into life at the quarter final stage. With the All Ireland run this year I expect they took a few weeks off and hoped to peak later in the club championship. Whether the game against Ballygunner has come too early or not we'll have to wait and see.

Mountainlad · 20-09-2011 2:48pm

Agreed about last year. De La Salle were terrible the first day, just terrible. After that, they got their act together and handed out comfortable beatings to Fourmilewater and in particular Tallow and Passage. I backed them to win coming into the final, thought it'd be closer. I don't think there's much between them, hard game to call. De La Salle have the better backline, though maybe questions over their fullback in my view. Midfield is going to be interesting. David O'Sullivan was very impressive on Sunday, and by and large I thought Ballygunner dominated midfield, whereas when Fourmile played DLS I thought there midfielders showed more than Eddie Barrett or Dean Twomey.

Ballygunner do have good forwards, but not as good as they were made look in Group 2. It's hard to say who has the better forward line. De La Salle haven't produced a performance like last year yet. Whether they can reach those heights again remains to be seen. I'll go to both semis, and then make a decision on whether or not to bother with the final!

Deise 2012 · 20-09-2011 7:37pm

Any truth in the rumour that John Mullane is pushing for Liam Dunne as the nest manager. Heard it this evening.

PTH2009 · 20-09-2011 10:13pm

Deise 2012 wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour that John Mullane is pushing for Liam Dunne as the nest manager. Heard it this evening.

What has Liam Dunne done in his managerial career. Thought he would be more intrested in the Wexford Job

DeiseX · 21-09-2011 6:56am

Eoin Murphy has retired lads! Great corner-back! He'll be missed!

Déise’s Murphy bows out with Munster memories

By Michael Moynihan

Wednesday, September 21, 2011

WATERFORD’S Eoin Murphy has announced his retirement from intercounty hurling.

Murphy, who suffered a skull fracture in a club tie in April, will continue playing for his club, Knockanure Shamrocks.

"I’m 100% happy to hang up my boots at inter-county level," he said after 11 years’ service to the Déise.

"I’m looking forward to spending a few years with the club. It was in the back of my mind to give it one more year with Waterford and I didn’t go back until February, but I felt it could be a good year for us. Even after the injury I wanted to stay involved.

"I knew I probably wouldn’t be playing but I got back training with the county at least."

Murphy, who won four Munster SHC medals, says he will miss the camaraderie at inter-county level and picked the 2002 and 2004 Munster finals as career highlights.

"There were nights on the way down to Aglish and so on in the depths of January and February, you’d be thinking, ‘this isn’t going to be nice’, but when you had the hard stuff done that night and you walked out afterwards with the lads, whatever endorphins would be released, you’d feel great.

"In terms of high points, 2002 was huge. The first one, after waiting so long since the last title [1963], was sweet, but that particular game petered out a bit and we won comfortably in the end.

"On the other hand, in 2004 against Cork — a team we’d have a lot of memories of getting beatings from — it was different. To beat them by a point that day, that was dreamland."

Murphy identifies Richie Power of Kilkenny as one of his toughest opponents.

"He was one of the most skilful players I ever marked. It was as if he had Superglue on his hurley, the way he controlled the ball. Damien Hayes of Galway was another tough one to mark."

Murphy is optimistic about Waterford’s future.

"Obviously we haven’t reached the pinnacle for a player, winning the All-Ireland final, so there’s a bit of distance to go, but I’d be optimistic.

"I’d be confident Waterford will be close enough and contesting All-Ireland finals in the next couple of years."

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/deises-murphy-bows-out-with-munster-memories-168286.html#ixzz1YZG8pA23

lovelypoint · 21-09-2011 9:42am

DeiseX wrote: »

Eoin Murphy has retired lads! Great corner-back! He'll be missed!

A great servant of Waterford hurling, and delighted to see Eoin bounce back after such an horrific injury. A real stalwart over the years, and one of the top corner backs in the game, he'll be missed alright. Owes Waterford nothing, and have no doubt he has left Waterford fans with many fond memories over the years

Mountainlad · 21-09-2011 12:42pm

DeiseX wrote: »

Eoin Murphy has retired lads!

deisebhoy17 · 21-09-2011 5:24pm

Deise 2012 wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour that John Mullane is pushing for Liam Dunne as the nest manager. Heard it this evening.

Is that the same Liam Dunne who wrote an article in the Sunday times not so long ago saying he dosen't think Waterford will ever have what it takes to win an All Ireland and that he didnt rate Brick Walsh as a centre back? Not the guy Id be pushing for....

Heard from a reliable source that co. secretary Timmy O'Keeffe was seen with ex cork manager Denis Walsh at a hotel in Youghal the other day. Significance of this I dont know just something worth noting

deisebhoy17 · 21-09-2011 5:30pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Agreed I thought he'd have more to offer obviously he knows best himself, was lucky to come out of that injury in one piece. Hes been one of the outstanding corner backs of the last 10 years, very underated imo. While the likes of Dan, Mullane and Kelly were in front of the cameras soaking up the limelight he was going about his business quietly & efficiently.
Id like to have seen him at wing back more that was his best position but I suppose with limited options in the full back line and plenty cover in the half backs over the years he never really got the chance to excel there. Best of luck to him though very genuine player

Deise 2012 · 22-09-2011 6:14pm

I am not trying to say anything but...........................

It has been mutually agreed by Declan Ryan, Tipperary Senior Hurling Manager, and Dr. Cian O'Neill that Cian will step down as physical trainer of the Tipperary senior hurling team. After four extremely successful years as trainer with Tipperary, Cian wishes to pursue new challenges.

Declan Ryan, his management team, and Tipperary County Board wish to thank Cian for his outstanding service to our senior squads over the past four years and wish him well in the future. Cian made a very significant contribution to the Tipperary senior hurlers over those years and played a very important part in the team's successes since 2008, including our 2010 All Ireland victory, three Munster senior hurling titles and one National League title.

The Tipperary G.A.A. PRO Ger Ryan let this be known to the media today.

Mountainlad · 25-09-2011 3:37pm

Deise 2012 wrote: »

I am not trying to say anything but...........................

It has been mutually agreed by Declan Ryan, Tipperary Senior Hurling Manager, and Dr. Cian O'Neill that Cian will step down as physical trainer of the Tipperary senior hurling team. After four extremely successful years as trainer with Tipperary, Cian wishes to pursue new challenges.

Declan Ryan, his management team, and Tipperary County Board wish to thank Cian for his outstanding service to our senior squads over the past four years and wish him well in the future. Cian made a very significant contribution to the Tipperary senior hurlers over those years and played a very important part in the team's successes since 2008, including our 2010 All Ireland victory, three Munster senior hurling titles and one National League title.

The Tipperary G.A.A. PRO Ger Ryan let this be known to the media today.

He's based in Limerick. Assuming that new challenges meant a different GAA team, that would be the more obvious one, given the money behind Limerick too.

There is no guarantee that 'new challenges' would mean this of course. Plenty of sports where his expertise would be useful. Be great if he joined Waterford as trainer, but it is unlikely.

tonc76 · 25-09-2011 5:18pm

Jason Ryan & James McGarry. Anyone know McGarry's coaching background?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/ryan-in-driving-seat-to-take-over-waterford-hurlers-2886859.html

JASON RYAN is the leading contender to take over as manager of the Waterford hurlers -- with former Kilkenny goalkeeper James McGarry being lined up as coach, according to well-placed sources.
Ryan has spent the last four years managing the Wexford football team, is a native of Waterford and a former inter-county footballer.
Despite his experience and favourable reputation as a manager, Ryan does not have a strong hurling background and is something of a left-field candidate. However, he has excellent management credentials and with McGarry as part of the ticket, a selection committee currently seeking a suitable candidate is believed to be giving the pair serious consideration.
When contacted yesterday, Ryan said he had not applied for the job and that he wasn't nominated by the clubs, while also stating that there were other candidates in contention who deserved respect and due recognition. However, as with any management appointment process, informal discussions can take place and it is believed that a six-man sub-committee has been in contact with Ryan.
The vacancy has arisen in the wake of Davy Fitzgerald's departure after four years in charge. If appointed, Ryan would become the first native manager since Tony Mansfield in the 1990s. After Mansfield's exit there followed a string of outside appointments, beginning with Gerald McCarthy in the autumn of 1996.
The Carlow manager Kevin Ryan, a former Mount Sion and Waterford hurler and selector, is also in contention to succeed Fitzgerald and sources say his "hat is in the ring".
The former Waterford ladies coach Michael Ryan, who was with the De La Salle hurlers last season, is another interested in the job and under consideration. He allowed his name go forward last year before Fitzgerald's reappointment. No formal interviews have yet been carried out to fill the vacancy.
Jason Ryan was appointed Wexford football manager at 32 in 2007, taking over from Paul Bealin. He played senior inter-county football with his native county and also had a spell playing for London. Under his guidance, Wexford played in two Leinster finals, suffering a 23-point drubbing from Dublin in 2008, but putting in a much more sturdy challenge in this year's decider. After the hefty Leinster final defeat three years ago, they recovered admirably to reach the All-Ireland semi- finals, losing to Tyrone.
Ryan had put himself in line for the Wexford job by transforming the fortunes of the Clongeen football team who won a first-ever senior county title on his watch. Last year he was reappointed Wexford manager after his term expired.
Fitzgerald led Waterford to a first All-Ireland final in 45 years in 2008. Last year they won the Munster championship but suffered a heavy beating in this year's provincial final, conceding seven goals against Tipperary. There was some measure of compensation in beating Galway in the All-Ireland quarter-final before Kilkenny proved too strong at the next hurdle.
Former Waterford captain Fergal Hartley has already ruled himself out of contention. Hartley was in charge of the under 21 team defeated in controversial circumstances by Tipperary this year.

The blue blaa · 25-09-2011 5:45pm

No disrespect to Jason Ryan i know him well, he's a top guy but seriously like what does he know about managing a County hurling team. If he got a hurling club job i'd still raise my eyebrow an i mean that in the nicest possible way, Am i been left behind in these new methods of the GAA but how can a football manager be in contention for a hurling job.. Is it only me or does anyone think the same..

deisedude · 25-09-2011 5:58pm

The blue blaa wrote: »

No disrespect to Jason Ryan i know him well, he's a top guy but seriously like what does he know about managing a County hurling team. If he got a hurling club job i'd still raise my eyebrow an i mean that in the nicest possible way, Am i been left behind in these new methods of the GAA but how can a football manager be in contention for a hurling job.. Is it only me or does anyone think the same..

The other leading contender Michael Ryan has more football pedigree than hurling too. Sean Boylan was a hurling man but he lead Meath to All Irelands in football so its not unheard of for someone to be succesful in the other code

Professey Chin · 25-09-2011 6:01pm

In fairness to Jason he has been involved with hurling before. Plus he's a great manager & trainer in general. Leave the dedicated hurling drills & training to a coach(like McGarry) and he can look after the rest

The blue blaa · 25-09-2011 6:08pm

deisedude wrote: »

The other leading contender Michael Ryan has more football pedigree than hurling too. Sean Boylan was a hurling man but he lead Meath to All Irelands in football so its not unheard of for someone to be succesful in the other code

Michael Ryan was a selector under justin,he cut his teeth in club hurling and was very un-lucky not to get an all-ireland club with DLS but Jason Ryan has not done any of these so i cant see how he can be benefit to us as a manager.. I wouldnt rule him out as part of a backroom set up but would he really want to leave Wexford to be a selector for Waterford i dont think he would. i just feel he's not done anything in term's of hurling

cascade12 · 25-09-2011 7:38pm

deisedude wrote: »

The other leading contender Michael Ryan has more football pedigree than hurling too. Sean Boylan was a hurling man but he lead Meath to All Irelands in football so its not unheard of for someone to be succesful in the other code

I was under that impression too, but at a recent FMW game I was in a conversation with someone who informed me that Michael Ryan has a serious hurling pedigree. His list of achievements include 1 County Senior Hurling Title with De La Salle, 1 Munster Club Title with De La Salle ( Jason Ryans Club ), 1 South Tipp Senior Hurling Title with Mullinahone, 1 Railway Cup Hurling Title with Munster (2007) and 2 County Intermediate Titles with FMW one as player manager. He was also selector with Waterford in 2007 when they won the League and Munster Title. I am open to question on the above, but that is some record, if correct.
When you add Nicky Cashin as a Selector ( I am reliably informed that he is part of M Ryans backroom team ) and his achievements as manager which going on memory and google includes 6 Leinster Colleges Titles with St Kierans, 4 All Ireland Colleges Titles with same, 2 Leinster Minor Titles with Kilkenny, 1 All Ireland Minor Title with Kilkenny ( Michael Rice was Captain) 1 Laois Senior Hurling Title with Castletown, 1 Kilkenny Intermediate Hurling Title with Clara and 1 Waterford Intermediate Hurling Title with Abbeyside. He was also Selector for Waterford when they won Munster in 2004 and 2007 and the League in 2007.
Between the two of them that is some record of success and if they could add a top class Physical Trainer ( Important) and a good coach, I believe that they are by far the best of the contenders for the job. But of course you never know with our County Board.

deisebhoy17 · 25-09-2011 8:10pm

The blue blaa wrote: »

No disrespect to Jason Ryan i know him well, he's a top guy but seriously like what does he know about managing a County hurling team. If he got a hurling club job i'd still raise my eyebrow an i mean that in the nicest possible way, Am i been left behind in these new methods of the GAA but how can a football manager be in contention for a hurling job.. Is it only me or does anyone think the same..

Im with you aswell. Im not convinced at all about this. Yes you'd need a top class hurling coach in with him but why not just go for a man who can do both?

The main thing in Ryans favour is that hes a waterford man, as far as I can see. Hes proven himself as an astute football man but this is no place for gambles and experiments. Were talking about our county senior hurling team, supposedly on of the top 4 teams in the country

hardybuck · 26-09-2011 10:58am

Ryan never managed a football team in DLS even before taking the Wexford job - took Clongeen for a few months, now he is looking like taking the Waterford job without managing a hurling team in DLS even. I have a feeling he'll do fine.

Also, James McGarry is no fool - he's doing pretty well with Shamrocks obviously.

Et Cetera · 26-09-2011 11:34am

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Im with you aswell. Im not convinced at all about this. Yes you'd need a top class hurling coach in with him but why not just go for a man who can do both?

The main thing in Ryans favour is that hes a waterford man, as far as I can see. Hes proven himself as an astute football man but this is no place for gambles and experiments. Were talking about our county senior hurling team, supposedly on of the top 4 teams in the country

I suppose he is also an excellent man manager and generally well respected by all media outlets, something which we could do with. But without a serious hurling coach with him, is it too much a gamble? It's hard to see it happening without a really good hurling back room. It's a curious proposition really.

Then again Michael Ryan would need a hurling coach too?

premierstone · 26-09-2011 12:11pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

He's based in Limerick. Assuming that new challenges meant a different GAA team, that would be the more obvious one, given the money behind Limerick too.

There is no guarantee that 'new challenges' would mean this of course. Plenty of sports where his expertise would be useful. Be great if he joined Waterford as trainer, but it is unlikely.

Apparently Cian wants to get involved with an intercounty Football set-up, he didnt really have a hurling background before Tipp and football would be closer to he's heart.

Mountainlad · 26-09-2011 4:16pm

premierstone wrote: »

Apparently Cian wants to get involved with an intercounty Football set-up, he didnt really have a hurling background before Tipp and football would be closer to he's heart.

Is he already involved with Kildare? Heard that today

PTH2009 · 27-09-2011 10:20am

Clinton Hennessy has retired from Intercounty hurling according to WLR.
Waterford goalkeeper Clinton Hennessy has retired from inter-county hurling.

Waterford goalkeeper Clinton Hennessy has retired from inter-county hurling.The Ardmore clubman will continue with his club but work and family commitments mean he will not figure for Waterford next year. He told the Irish Examiner that the time is right to go.He said that he had a lot of commitments and the fact that the new manager will come in soon is another factor. He said he had his mind made up but he didnt want people to think he was calling it a day because of the new manager.

One of the best goalkeeper we ever had, solid all around, cool, calm and collected. We will be missed between the posts for us.

Its time for Adrian Power to step up now.

hardybuck · 27-09-2011 10:38am

If Clinton Hennessey had come home from Boston a few years sooner, Waterford would probably have won an All Ireland. Good luck to him.

Power won't be automatically stepping in - I reckon SOK will be pushing very hard also. At least we have some competition now.

flahavaj · 27-09-2011 12:02pm

Clinton was a great servant and will be sorely missed. He seems to have been underrated by a lot of people due to the more spectacular talents of O' Keefe and Power, but for my money he's still the best in teh county. He's one of those players we'll realise was so good when he's gone. Good luck to him.

blue note · 27-09-2011 12:38pm

hardybuck wrote: »

If Clinton Hennessey had come home from Boston a few years sooner, Waterford would probably have won an All Ireland. Good luck to him.

Ah now.

Best of luck though to Clinton - he was as reliable a keeper as you will find and was exactly what we needed there when he came back. Was able to operate a sweeper role quite a bit as well - not something many keepers are able for.

HillFarmer · 27-09-2011 1:03pm

Any word when the county board will make their decision on this .?

lovelypoint · 27-09-2011 1:43pm

All the best to Clinton in his retirement, if he has decided to hang up his boots. Seems a tad premature, but only Clinton knows whats best, and with Power and O'Keefe waiting in the wings for several years now, perhaps the timing is good for both him and Waterford.

He has been a great servant for Waterford over the years, and having come in at a very difficult time for Waterford, do not think it is unfair to say he was worth several points to us a game. A very consistent and solid keeper, he will be a valuable asset to Ardmore, having more time to devote to his club now.

Mountainlad · 27-09-2011 2:10pm

Sad in a way to hear about Clinton. At 34, and with the potential both O'Keefe and Power posess I do believe he's made the right decision, but he was an excellent keeper in my view, worthy of an all star in 2007, and was very unlucky that some poor defending often led to undue criticism of him (the munster Final this year, the all ireland semi v Limerick). Glad to see the tributes being paid to him and the well wishes and that nobody's having a cut. Thanks Clinton and good luck with the future!

hardybuck · 27-09-2011 2:38pm

blue note wrote: »

Ah now.

Best of luck though to Clinton - he was as reliable a keeper as you will find and was exactly what we needed there when he came back. Was able to operate a sweeper role quite a bit as well - not something many keepers are able for.

Yes. Specifically 2004. Waterford were Munster Champions beating Cork in another classic by a point. We play a rookie keeper in the semi v Kilkenny who lets in a couple of soft goals. Cork win the final.

Left that behind us, Hennessy almost certainly would not have conceded the goals which went in against Kilkenny.

hurler on de ditch · 27-09-2011 3:31pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Yes. Specifically 2004. Waterford were Munster Champions beating Cork in another classic by a point. We play a rookie keeper in the semi v Kilkenny who lets in a couple of soft goals. Cork win the final.

Left that behind us, Hennessy almost certainly would not have conceded the goals which went in against Kilkenny.

the year is getting better first davy and now C,Hennessey our chances are improving all the time

deisebhoy17 · 27-09-2011 5:29pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

the year is getting better first davy and now C,Hennessey our chances are improving all the time

Cheap shot. Although credit due to the fact you posted in a language that resembles english. for a change

KevIRL · 27-09-2011 6:03pm

Best of luck to Eoin and Clinton and thanks for all the years of service to the county. Ye'll be missed lads.

Best of luck too to Davy, I get the feeling that his time with Waterford will serve him well for the future.

deisedude · 27-09-2011 8:14pm

Another of the old guard gone, surely only a matter of time that Tony goes too

mccarthy37 · 28-09-2011 9:34am

Best of luck to Eoin and Clinton thanks for all the great days we had and the bad ones well they weren't that bad. Nial Warren you were one tough corner back on a great Ballygunner team but sadly you could not beat the toughest battle of your life RIP.

flahavaj · 28-09-2011 11:25am

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

the year is getting better first davy and now C,Hennessey our chances are improving all the time

Real classy stuff here, but no surprise given the source tbh. No matter how good or bad a player is in your questionable opinion, the sacrifices they make to get to the level Clinton did is desrerving of at least a little respect.

deiseach · 28-09-2011 12:38pm

We've lost a lot of experience in the last week or so. This is the list of Championship appearances made by players who were available to Waterford in 2011 (E&OE; the numbers after the names of some players reflect that multiple people with those names have played for Waterford):

Best of luck to both lads in their future endeavours

PTH2009 · 28-09-2011 1:17pm

deiseach wrote: »

We've lost a lot of experience in the last week or so. This is the list of Championship appearances made by players who were available to Waterford in 2011 (E&OE; the numbers after the names of some players reflect that multiple people with those names have played for Waterford):

Best of luck to both lads in their future endeavours

Say Tony Browne and Seamus Prendergast will be the next ones. Would not be suprised if Eoin Kelly called it a day.

On the manager front id say it will Michael Ryan now with John Allen and Jason Ryan rulling themselves out. but if Nicky Cashin is in his backroom staff than would not be going back to the Justin Mccarthy Sanario again.??. Hopefully a players strike will not happen

tonc76 · 28-09-2011 1:31pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Say Tony Browne and Seamus Prendergast will be the next ones. Would not be suprised if Eoin Kelly called it a day.

On the manager front id say it will Michael Ryan now with John Allen and Jason Ryan rulling themselves out. but if Nicky Cashin is in his backroom staff than would not be going back to the Justin Mccarthy Sanario again.??. Hopefully a players strike will not happen

When did Johm Allen and Jason Ryan rule themselves out? I haven't read anything stating same?

PTH2009 · 28-09-2011 1:35pm

tonc76 wrote: »

When did Johm Allen and Jason Ryan rule themselves out? I haven't read anything stating same?

Jason Ryan is Staying with the Wexford Footballers. http://www.hoganstand.com/Waterford/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=155680

John Allen was never contacted

ArtVandelay76 · 28-09-2011 1:43pm

Thats not exactly Jason Ryan ruling himself out now is it, and how do you know John Allen wasn't contacted?

lovelypoint · 28-09-2011 1:57pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Say Tony Browne and Seamus Prendergast will be the next ones. Would not be suprised if Eoin Kelly called it a day.

On the manager front id say it will Michael Ryan now with John Allen and Jason Ryan rulling themselves out. but if Nicky Cashin is in his backroom staff than would not be going back to the Justin Mccarthy Sanario again.??. Hopefully a players strike will not happen

Bit depressing considering who is going to retire, but I suppose we may have seen the last of Tony. I think Seamus still has something to offer, and hope he will consider remaining on the panel for next year, likewise with Eoin, but as you say would not be surprised to see him call it a day.

I guess we've been lucky in years gone past, with not too much loss in experience through retirements each year, but losing Eoin and Clinton was a little unexpected, despite the service and sacrifices they've given to the jersey over the years.

New manager could be critical, I feel to stem the tide of retirements, as it could be the difference in getting an extra year or two out of some of the stalwarts of the squad, as 5/ 6 retirements could definitely cement our status as a team in transition. For now though, if we could retain the likes of experienced veterans like Seamus & Eoin Kelly, the influence and experience on upcoming players could be crucial, as I feel we will have to blood a few players yet, and better to bring them through an established structure, than throw them in the deep end.

Re: manager, I wouldn't be too concerned about people distancing themselves from the job, given the farcical selection process last year. Allen has made it known he is available, and Jason Ryan would be receptive to an approach I imagine, as well as other canditates who have elected not to stick their head above the parapet.

I've liked the Tipp approach of seperate managers and coaches, and personally would not mind seeing Jason Ryan as manager, providing he is accompanied by a top notch coach. I'm sick of expecting everything from one man, and ultimately finding out they are deficient in a key area or two.

deiseach · 28-09-2011 1:59pm

This Jason Ryan thing is gas. The media have had him both appointed to the Waterford job and reappointed to the Wexford job in the space of 48 hours without a single verifiable source about either. Not only is it no surprise that newspapers are circling the drain - they deserve it

Mountainlad · 28-09-2011 2:02pm

lovelypoint wrote: »

Bit depressing considering who is going to retire, but I suppose we may have seen the last of Tony. I think Seamus still has something to offer, and hope he will consider remaining on the panel for next year, likewise with Eoin, but as you say would not be surprised to see him call it a day.

I guess we've been lucky in years gone past, with not too much loss in experience through retirements each year, but losing Eoin and Clinton was a little unexpected, despite the service and sacrifices they've given to the jersey over the years.

New manager could be critical, I feel to stem the tide of retirements, as it could be the difference in getting an extra year or two out of some of the stalwarts of the squad, as 5/ 6 retirements could definitely cement our status as a team in transition. For now though, if we could retain the likes of experienced veterans like Seamus & Eoin Kelly, the influence and experience on upcoming players could be crucial, as I feel we will have to blood a few players yet, and better to bring them through an established structure, than throw them in the deep end.

Re: manager, I wouldn't be too concerned about people distancing themselves from the job, given the farcical selection process last year. Allen has made it known he is available, and Jason Ryan would be receptive to an approach I imagine, as well as other canditates who have elected not to stick their head above the parapet.

I've liked the Tipp approach of seperate managers and coaches, and personally would not mind seeing Jason Ryan as manager, providing he is accompanied by a top notch coach. I'm sick of expecting everything from one man, and ultimately finding out they are deficient in a key area or two.

I'd imagine more than that, he's vying for the spot. I mean rumours about James McGarry being a coach in his proposed backroom team were hardly drawn out of the sky, he must be very interested and letting it be known, with the leakage to the media, as to be honest I don't think the Sunday Independents claims were anything more than a story Ryan wanted put out there to get people talking about him.

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