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RTE 2 Broadcasting in HD now

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    #392
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    Machinehead wrote: »
    (I also understand that BBC HD resolution has been increased from 1440x1080 to 1920x1080 just like Channel 4 HD & ITV Granada HD, not sure what RTÉ's output resolution is.)

    RTE is 1440x1080.


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    #393
    The Cush
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    Machinehead wrote: »
    Should that be 1080i/50hHz?

    1080i/50p = 50 progressive fps (progressive scan). I think 1080i/50Hz is the same thing.

    My Sony 1080i/25 = 25 interlaced fps (50 interlaced fields) displayed as 1080i/25Hz.


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    #394
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    Bayern Munich vs FC Zurich on now.

    Changed over to full HD soon after they went over to coverage from Germany.

    "Available in HD on Saorview" shown up on top for a while too.

    Picture looks good, RTE's Champions League scoreboard graphics haven't been re-done in HD yet. (unlike their GAA scoreboard)

    Bitrate is about 8.5Mbit average. Seen it from 7.9Mbit to 8.9MBit.


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    #395
    babybuilder
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    I've seen better HD sport on BBC 1 hd. Audio is not good.


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    #396
    Kensington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kensington


    babybuilder wrote: »
    I've seen better HD sport on BBC 1 hd. Audio is not good.
    It's most likely a tieline (ISDN) for the audio.


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    #397
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,503 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    seanp_25 wrote: »
    "Available in HD on Saorview" shown up on top for a while too.

    The info banner stood out, you couldn't miss it.

    Also advertising the match next week Udinese v Arsenal as available in HD on Saorview from the commentary and rolling info banner at the bottom of the screen.

    Upcoming live HD games on RTÉ 2 based on RTÉ's press release
    Saturday August 20th - Rugby Test Match Ireland v France

    Sunday August 21st - Football S/F Mayo v Kerry, Tipperary v Roscommon

    Wednesday August 24th - UEFA CL Qualifier Udinese v Arsenal

    Friday August 26th - UEFA Super Cup Barcelona v Porto

    Sunday August 28th - Football S/F Dublin v Donegal, Dublin v Galway

    Sunday September 4th - All-Ireland Hurling Finals

    Sunday September 18th - All-Ireland Football Finals

    September/October - Rugby World Cup, 13 games on RTÉ2 HD on Saorview


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    #398
    mike65
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    That was not HD.


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    #399
    Ush1
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    mike65 wrote: »
    That was not HD.

    Yeah. Some of the softest hd i've ever seen anyway.


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    #400
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    mike65 wrote: »
    That was not HD.

    I didn't record a clip of it, but I agree I wasn't as sharp as what we've seen for GAA.

    It definitely wasn't upscaled SD though, there was the usual sudden clear upgrade in sharpness when they changed from upscaled SD (which it was for the first 30 seconds or so of footage) to full HD just when the teams were coming out of the tunnel. The RTE2 HD logo changed to the sharp edges, full HD version too.

    RTE scoreboard was upscaled SD.

    All other on screen graphics, like players names, the score that appears every 15 mins or so at the bottom of the screen showing scorers, etc is part of the HD feed RTE get from the UEFA pool.

    Maybe someone familiar with this stuff could comment on how many different encoding stages something like this would go through. (SAT.1 -> UEFA -> RTE -> DTT@8Mbps maybe?) This might lose sharpness at each stage or something? The GAA would have probably have gone through less MPEG4 encoding stages.


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    #401
    The Cush
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    mike65 wrote: »
    That was not HD.

    It was here. Was standing in front of a 42" when it switched from upscaled to true HD.


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    #402
    patwicklow
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    They could broadcast right in front of me still would,nt watch there crap..


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    #403
    Machinehead
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    patwicklow wrote: »
    They could broadcast right in front of me still would,nt watch there crap..

    Is that because it was Football (soccer) or the teams that were playing or just because it was RTÉ. On either count I figure it was worth watching.

    & rock on ICA Bootcamp & good luck to MS Ireland in the final:D


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    #404
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,503 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    RTÉ has confirmed that the Rugby World Cup will be broadcast in HD on RTÉ Two HD on SAORVIEW
    RTÉ to broadcast over 130 hours of Rugby World Cup Coverage
    Wednesday, 17 August 2011

    RTÉ Sport today (Wednesday, 17 August) announced details of its 2011 Rugby World Cup campaign, which will include all of Ireland's games broadcast live from New Zealand as part of an astounding 130 hours of rugby coverage across television, radio and online.

    At the launch today, World Cup winner Ben Kay, Ireland legend Shane Horgan and Leinster coach Joe Schmidt, were announced as part of RTÉ's unrivalled team of rugby panellists for the 2011 World Cup. Also joining the team this autumn for the first time will be former Leinster defence coach and Ireland international Kurt McQuilkin, who will be co-commentating for radio from his native New Zealand.

    Ryle Nugent, RTÉ Group Head of Sport, said: "RTÉ is committed to bringing the best of international and national sporting events to the Irish public free-to-air. Fans can look forward to following the Irish team's progression every step of the way on all of RTÉ's platforms with the unique perspective and expert analysis that our panel bring, which is unrivalled by any other broadcaster. We look forward to sharing what is set to be a momentous sporting occasion with the Irish public".
    On securing the broadcast rights Mike Miller, Rugby World Cup Limited (RWCL) Managing Director paid tribute to RTÉ's quality coverage: "RWCL is delighted to be extending its association with RTÉ Sport to broadcast Rugby World Cup 2011 throughout Ireland. RTÉ is recognized as a leading broadcaster of quality sports coverage and a true champion of Rugby in Ireland and we are looking forward to working in partnership with RTÉ to further the promotion of Rugby World Cup."

    RTÉ Television

    RTÉ Television will broadcast all the top games with 13 key matches live and free-to-air, including all of Ireland's Pool matches, the Final, the Bronze Final, both semi-finals, all four quarter-finals and the opening match.

    For the first time ever coverage of the Rugby World Cup will be broadcast in HD in Ireland as RTÉ Television's live coverage of 13 key games is also available on RTÉ Two HD on SAORVIEW.

    In addition to the live games RTÉ Television will broadcast free-to-air highlights coverage of every game in the tournament shown exclusively in primetime (6pm - 9pm) on RTÉ Two each match day.

    RTÉ's unrivalled team of rugby presenters, analysts and commentators will be on hand throughout the tournament with Ben Kay, Shane Horgan and Joe Schmidt joining regulars George Hook, Brent Pope, Conor O'Shea, Victor Costello and Frankie Sheahan for their expert analysis of all the action. Tom McGurk and Daire O'Brien will anchor proceedings, while Hugh Cahill, Ryle Nugent, Donal Lenihan, George Hamilton, Tony Ward, Ralph Keyes and Kurt McQuilkin will provide the commentary.

    RTÉ.ie/Sport

    RTÉ.ie's dedicated Rugby World Cup 2011 section will provide live video and audio as well as comprehensive news, highlights, analysis, picture galleries and interactive text commentary.

    Focusing primarily on Declan Kidney's Ireland team, RTÉ.ie will provide the very latest news from the tournament while during matches the popular text commentaries will now include live in-match stats and analysis alongside minute-by-minute updates of the action as it unfolds. Users will also be able to offer their views and comments throughout the tournament.

    All text content will be available online at RTÉ.ie as well as on mobile via RTÉ 's News Now app on iPhone/iPad and Android devices, as well as on m.rte.ie/sport.

    RTÉ.ie's RWC 2011 section will also include the usual insights from top pundits including George Hook, Brent Pope and Conor O'Shea, along with a special series of articles by former Leinster defence coach and Ireland international Kurt McQuilkin. There will also be a RWC jumbo, colour, wall chart free with the RTÉ Guide on 29 August, which will help fans track how the thrilling tournament unfolds

    RTÉ Radio

    RTÉ Radio's resident rugby commentator Michael Corcoran will be bringing you complete coverage of all of Ireland's Rugby World Cup matches live from New Zealand. We will also be punctuating RTÉ Radio's usual schedule with exclusive news, interviews and updates throughout the RWC, brought to you by the country's top commentators and sports broadcasters.

    Michael Corcoran first toured with the Irish rugby team in 2000, when they travelled to Argentina, USA and Canada. He has completed two British and Irish Lions tours, to Australia in 2001 and to New Zealand in 2005.


    RTÉ Sport's Rugby World Cup coverage across television, radio and online is sponsored by O2.

    http://www.rte.ie/about/pressreleases/2011/0817/170811rugbyworldcup.html
    RTÉ to broadcast 130 hours of Rugby World Cup
    Wednesday 17 August 2011

    RTÉ Sport have announced details of its 2011 Rugby World Cup campaign - which will include all of Ireland's games broadcast live from New Zealand as part of an astounding 130 hours of rugby coverage across television, radio and online.

    At the launch today, RTÉ Group Head of Sport Ryle Nugent said: "Fans can look forward to following the Irish team's progression every step of the way on all of RTÉ's platforms."

    RTÉ Television will broadcast all the top games with 13 key matches live and free-to-air, including all of Ireland's Pool matches, the Final, the Bronze Final, both semi-finals, all four quarter-finals and the opening match.

    For the first time ever coverage of the Rugby World Cup will be broadcast in HD in Ireland as RTÉ Television's live coverage of 13 key games is also available on RTÉ Two HD on SAORVIEW.

    However, the coverage doesn't stop there as RTÉ Radio's resident rugby commentator Michael Corcoran will be bringing you complete coverage of all of Ireland's Rugby World Cup matches live from New Zealand - plus exclusive news and interviews.

    All text content will be available online at RTÉ.ie as well as on mobile via RTÉ's News Now app on iPhone/iPad and Android devices, as well as on m.rte.ie/sport.

    http://www.rte.ie/ten/2011/0817/worldcup.html
    RTÉ unveil a team of familiar and fresh faces
    JOHN O'SULLIVAN

    Thu, Aug 18, 2011

    ...

    The national broadcaster will provide 130 hours of rugby coverage across television, radio and online.

    The station will screen 13 matches live and free-to-air, including all of Ireland’s pool matches, the final, the bronze final, both semi-finals, all four quarter-finals and the opening match.

    For the first time coverage of the tournament will be broadcast in HD in Ireland, available on Saorview.

    In addition to the live games highlights coverage of every game in the tournament will be shown in primetime (6pm–9pm) on RTÉ Two each match day.

    Joining the new faces will be regulars George Hook, Brent Pope, Conor O’Shea, Victor Costello and Frankie Sheahan. Tom McGurk and Daire O’Brien will anchor proceedings, while Hugh Cahill, Ryle Nugent, Donal Lenihan, George Hamilton, Tony Ward, Ralph Keyes and McQuilkin will provide the commentary.

    RTÉ Radio commentator Michael Corcoran will provide coverage of all of Ireland’s games as well as regular news updates.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0818/1224302638523.html


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    #405
    Minstrel27
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    mike65 wrote: »
    That was not HD.

    It was HD but the picture quality was pretty poor. Problem with the source material perhaps.
    patwicklow wrote: »
    They could broadcast right in front of me still would,nt watch there crap..

    Nice contribution. Do keep it up.


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    #406
    The Dark Knight
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭The Dark Knight


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    ......
    Nice contribution. Do keep it up.

    +1


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    #407
    desaparecidos
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭desaparecidos


    I have a recording of last seasons Champions League final from ITV1 HD which I came across today. I have to say the quality, clarity and motion surpass any of RTE's HD events so far.


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    #408
    Machinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    desaparecidos wrote: »
    I have a recording of last seasons Champions League final from ITV1 HD which I came across today. I have to say the quality, clarity and motion surpass any of RTE's HD events so far.

    If the ITV HD transmission you've recorded was from satellite the RTÉ Two HD on DTT cannot compete. Bitrate available to ITV on satellite is higher than that available to RTÉ on DTT.


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    #409
    kilkenny31
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    Is the europa league game in hd tonight?


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    #410
    mike65
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    Nope.


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    #411
    alchemist33
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    My saorview signal disappeared today, after working perfectly fine for the last couple of months. Anybody got the same problem? I'm in Letterkenny.


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    #412
    Kensington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Kensington


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    My saorview signal disappeared today, after working perfectly fine for the last couple of months. Anybody got the same problem? I'm in Letterkenny.
    Transmitter works up that way:
    171230.png

    [Link]


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    #413
    Pat Gleeson
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    The Dark Knight wrote: »
    +1

    +2


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    #414
    mossym
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    Machinehead wrote: »
    If the ITV HD transmission you've recorded was from satellite the RTÉ Two HD on DTT cannot compete. Bitrate available to ITV on satellite is higher than that available to RTÉ on DTT.

    true, and i'm sure someone will correct me if i am wrong, but the itv hd signal on sat is the lowest of the bitrates used by itv, bbc and sky. bbc bitrate for the hd channels on satellite was lowered to lessen the difference between freeview and freesat quality for the same channels, but the bitrate is still above what itv are using, and so it follows above what rte are using.

    kind of a chicken and egg question then, do you limit your quality due to an acceptable bandwidth, or fix your bandwidth to an acceptable quality. i understand the limitations on the muxes. but i must have a look and see what bitrate bbc hd channels are running at on freeview


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    #415
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Not all ITV1 HD's are 1920*1080i so unless you know which one the recording came from you cannot compare in any way.


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    #416
    mossym
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    neither is rte's, it's 1440 *1080, so if they aere all 1920 you could argue a direct comparision is reduandant

    it would be pretty easy to tell the resolution of the recording if it was done on a pc.

    according to the chart at the following link though, tough as it is to see, it would appear the itv hd channel on freeview is somewhere around the 8MB/sec though, which according to the post by sean here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73871854&postcount=394

    is similar to rte. if the graph taken from the first link is 1920*1080, that's even more impressive

    i'd expect bitrate to have a more important influence on motion and perhaps quality than resolution would anyway


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    #417
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    mossym wrote: »
    neither is rte's, it's 1440 *1080, so if they aere all 1920 you could argue a direct comparision is reduandant

    I know, I was pointing out that not all ITV's are even the same.


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    #418
    Machinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    Notice tonight when RTÉ Two went from sports promo to the start of The Butcher Boy, the DOG moved slightly & drifted from whatever quality setting it was on to a less sharper DOG.


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    #419
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,503 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Ireland v France in HD on RTÉ2.

    The "Available in HD on Saorview" info banner at the top of the screen made a briefer appearence on this occasion but should have been done before the match started.


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    Machinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    Saw the tail end of the Wales on BBC One HD earlier, in camparison the RTÉ HD picture seems to be clearer & sharper today. Maybe this was due to the fact that the Wales game was played with the stadium roof closed & lit by artifical light only, whereas the game in the Aviva is under natural light complimented by floodlights.


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    #421
    ShaneOC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ShaneOC


    The Cush wrote: »
    Ireland v France in HD on RTÉ2.

    The "Available in HD on Saorview" info banner at the top of the screen made a briefer appearence on this occasion but should have been done before the match started.

    The "Available in HD on Saorview" was also shown during the build up.


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