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M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

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  • #252
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    According to the Wicklow People (A fine journalistic source, I'm sure), BAM and Balfour Beatty have now tendered to construct this stretch of motorway, and have been successful. Construction should hopefully begin next year if all goes well.
    A CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN appointed to carry out the long awaited N11 upgrade works.

    The extensive project is vital for road safety along the route which has seen traffic levels more than double in the last decade.

    The National Roads Authority notified Wicklow County Council this week that the tender submitted by BAM PPP & Balfour Beatty Capital Ltd. has been successful and that funding is to be sought later this year.

    Wicklow County Council was informed that ' tenders were received on the basis of an Authority Term Sheet. In order to progress to financial close BAM Balfour Beatty will have to secure funders through a market search or a Preferred Tenderer funding selection process. Engagement with prospective funders will commence later this summer'.

    A date is not yet scheduled for the contract to be awarded as it will depend on engagement with lenders.

    Along with the Rathnew-Arklow improvement works, further projects to upgrade the N7 Newlands Cross Junction and to construct the N11 Gorey North Service area are to be included in the contract.

    Speaking to the Wicklow People, Cllr. Pat Fitzgerald welcomed the move and described it as the ' last lap'.

    'I very much welcome this news and although it has some way to go still, it is good news for the many motorists who use that road. The backlogs have been serious in recent times. While finance must still be secured it is positive that a company has been selected.'

    Source


  • #253
    Niles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Niles


    Finally. Hopefully there won't be any last minute pull-out now that the contractors have been appointed, or am I too optimistic?


  • #254
    Marcusm
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    Niles wrote: »
    Finally. Hopefully there won't be any last minute pull-out now that the contractors have been appointed, or am I too optimistic?

    Way too optimistic in my view as it's wholly dependent on raising Market funding. Given the government's inability to directly source finds, it seems highly unlikely that Market funds will be made available for a project that has government support but not a government obligor. Not sure if this is just trying to test different waters or whether he has the money in his budget allocation as a fall back. Anyone know the tender price?

    If it's reliant on true external funding, I can't see this as being at the tOp of the queue.


  • #255
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    BAM also tendered for and secured the M17/M18 Gort to Tuam. I've no doubt that they're gung-ho to build as much as they can, but whether or not they'll get the backing is the question. They probably will for the N7 and M11, as these are small, heavily trafficked schemes which include one MSA; and as we know, MSAs are proving quite lucrative.


  • #256
    spacetweek
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    Tremelo wrote: »
    BAM also tendered for and secured the M17/M18 Gort to Tuam. I've no doubt that they're gung-ho to build as much as they can, but whether or not they'll get the backing is the question. They probably will for the N7 and M11, as these are small, heavily trafficked schemes which include one MSA; and as we know, MSAs are proving quite lucrative.
    Also AFAIK the land for this has already been paid for, so that's out.
    Yep I'm confident this will happen; M17/18 is more difficult to foresee.


  • #257
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭jd


    Just saw this
    http://www.cisireland.com/ProjectDescription.aspx?id=985

    he N11 Arklow/Rathnew PPP Contract
    Project ID: 128978
    Date Last Updated: 12/07/2011
    Easting:
    Northing:
    Address: The N11 Arklow/Rathnew, Arklow
    County: Co. Wicklow
    Post code:
    Contract Stage: Main Contract Awarded
    Planning Stage: Planning Not Required
    Planning Documents:
    Planning Authority:
    Planning Reference No.:
    Application Date:
    Decision Date:
    Start Date: 01/09/2011
    Finish Date: 01/09/2013
    Period: 24 Months
    Floor Area:
    Site Area:
    Structures:
    Value: €180,000,000
    Funding Type: Public
    Units:
    Storeys:
    Car Parking:
    Construction Type: Civil Works


  • #258
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    €180m? That seems like an awful lot, seeing as they've already bought all the land, I thought. No big rivers or considerable valleys on the route are there? Does that include Newlands Cross?


  • #259
    jd
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    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    €180m? That seems like an awful lot, seeing as they've already bought all the land, I thought. No big rivers or considerable valleys on the route are there? Does that include Newlands Cross?

    From the link

    Marcus Bingham Contract comprises the following elements:

    - The design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of approximately 16.5 kilometres of dual carriageway linking the existing Arklow Bypass with the existing Rathnew/Ashford Bypass in Co. Wicklow, together with several kilometres of associated side roads and link roads.

    - The design, construction and financing of the upgrading of the existing Newlands Cross N7 Naas Road / R113 Belgard/Fonthill Road at-grade junction to a grade-separated junction, resulting in the creation of an N7 overpass.

    - The design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of the N11 Gorey North Service Area.

    - An additional 31km section of the existing N11 route (Arklow Bypass and Arklow-Gorey Bypass) will also form part of the Project Road and will be operated and maintained by the PPP Concession Co.

    All such elements of work set out above are approximate only and may be reduced or added to by the Authority following dialogue with those Candidates selected to proceed to the next stage of the competition or otherwise at the Authority's absolute discretion. The Authority may also extend the operation and maintenance elements to include other parts of the national road network.





  • #260
    tw0nk
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    awful motorbike crash on this stretch of road tonight, the sooner they get this done the better


  • #261
    spacetweek
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    It says it'll start on the 1st September - seems very soon! How did we go from "uncertain/long fingered/no money" to 1st Sep so fast?


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  • #262
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Also AFAIK the land for this has already been paid for, so that's out.
    Yep I'm confident this will happen; M17/18 is more difficult to foresee.
    spacetweek wrote: »
    It says it'll start on the 1st September - seems very soon! How did we go from "uncertain/long fingered/no money" to 1st Sep so fast?

    This was, like the M17/18 and N11 & N25 projects, supposed to be a PPP project.

    So where has the €180 million come from for this and why is the M17/18 project estimated at €300m?


  • #263
    Irish and Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Irish and Proud


    Hold on a minute...
    jd wrote: »
    he N11 Arklow/Rathnew PPP Contract
    Project ID: 128978
    Date Last Updated: 12/07/2011
    Easting:
    Northing:
    Address: The N11 Arklow/Rathnew, Arklow
    County: Co. Wicklow
    Post code:
    Contract Stage: Main Contract Awarded
    Planning Stage: Planning Not Required
    Planning Documents:
    Planning Authority:
    Planning Reference No.:
    Application Date:
    Decision Date:
    Start Date: 01/09/2011
    Finish Date: 01/09/2013
    Period: 24 Months
    Floor Area:
    Site Area:
    Structures:
    Value: €180,000,000
    Funding Type: Public
    Units:
    Storeys:
    Car Parking:
    Construction Type: Civil Works

    :eek::eek::eek:

    Where indeed is the €180m coming from in terms of funding? The contract is for 2 years, so that's €90m P/A from the public purse. I know that the ECB were backing the M17/N18 Scheme - is this money being diverted - somehow I doubt it but I'm rather :confused::confused::confused: and in the process, clutching at straws.

    What's going on??? :confused:


  • #264
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Irish and Proud wrote: »
    Hold on a minute...



    :eek::eek::eek:

    Where indeed is the €180m coming from in terms of funding? The contract is for 2 years, so that's €90m P/A from the public purse. I know that the ECB were backing the M17/N18 Scheme - is this money being diverted - somehow I doubt it but I'm rather :confused::confused::confused: and in the process, clutching at straws.

    What's going on??? :confused:

    Indeed what's going on - this was PPP up until may
    From the history:
    08/07/2011 Contract Stage updated to Main Contract Awarded
    08/07/2011 Project Roles were updated
    08/07/2011 Funding is expected to be sought in late Summer 2011.
    08/07/2011 The contract is expected to be officially awarded once full funding has been secured for the project.
    08/07/2011 BAM PPP and Balfour Beatty Capital Limited have been identified as the successful tenderer for the project.
    13/05/2011 Funding Type updated to Public

    From the description (which they apparently forgot to update):
    Marcus Bingham Contract comprises the following elements:

    - The design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of approximately 16.5 kilometres of dual carriageway linking the existing Arklow Bypass with the existing Rathnew/Ashford Bypass in Co. Wicklow, together with several kilometres of associated side roads and link roads.

    - The design, construction and financing of the upgrading of the existing Newlands Cross N7 Naas Road / R113 Belgard/Fonthill Road at-grade junction to a grade-separated junction, resulting in the creation of an N7 overpass.

    - The design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of the N11 Gorey North Service Area.

    - An additional 31km section of the existing N11 route (Arklow Bypass and Arklow-Gorey Bypass) will also form part of the Project Road and will be operated and maintained by the PPP Concession Co.

    All such elements of work set out above are approximate only and may be reduced or added to by the Authority following dialogue with those Candidates selected to proceed to the next stage of the competition or otherwise at the Authority's absolute discretion. The Authority may also extend the operation and maintenance elements to include other parts of the national road network.


  • #265
    L1011
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    Irish and Proud wrote: »
    Hold on a minute...



    :eek::eek::eek:

    Where indeed is the €180m coming from in terms of funding? The contract is for 2 years, so that's €90m P/A from the public purse. I know that the ECB were backing the M17/N18 Scheme - is this money being diverted - somehow I doubt it but I'm rather :confused::confused::confused: and in the process, clutching at straws.

    What's going on??? :confused:

    EIB not the ECB.

    In theory we've got a few hundred million a year that had been allocated for interest and debt repayments and now isn't...


  • #266
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,166 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    MYOB wrote: »
    In theory we've got a few hundred million a year that had been allocated for interest and debt repayments and now isn't...
    In theory yes, in reality I dont think so. The savings from the reduced interest rate will probably negate the need to raise another 600m through tax increases rather than offset the need to cut capital expenditure. Government spending is too high compared to our tax take so I doubt this will affect the cuts.


  • #267
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    In theory yes, in reality I dont think so. The savings from the reduced interest rate will probably negate the need to raise another 600m through tax increases rather than offset the need to cut capital expenditure. Government spending is too high compared to our tax take so I doubt this will affect the cuts.

    I believe they're tolling this road, so they must assume that they're going to earn the necessary money to pay it off eventually.


  • #268
    L1011
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    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    I believe they're tolling this road, so they must assume that they're going to earn the necessary money to pay it off eventually.

    There's no solid plans to toll this - because there never was plans until the current kite flying exercise by Varadkar.

    The only commercial element of the project was the operation of an MSA which has the ability to make good profits (particularly as this scheme bypasses the only online petrol station between Kilmacanogue and Camolin).


  • #269
    Niles
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    I'm going to be shot for saying this but I sometimes wonder whether or not the Gorey North service area is that big a priority, one can easily leave the M11 south of Arklow and use the service station at Inch, continue on to Tinnock and rejoin the M11 without the need to go into either Arklow or Gorey, traffic on the R772 (old N11) through Inch being light enough. If the funding is there fair enough, but even if the Rathnew-Arklow section could be done alone I'd be satisfied.


  • #270
    dubhthach
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    Niles wrote: »
    I'm going to be shot for saying this but I sometimes wonder whether or not the Gorey North service area is that big a priority, one can easily leave the M11 south of Arklow and use the service station at Inch, continue on to Tinnock and rejoin the M11 without the need to go into either Arklow or Gorey, traffic on the R772 (old N11) through Inch being light enough. If the funding is there fair enough, but even if the Rathnew-Arklow section could be done alone I'd be satisfied.

    Wasn't this not the argument the NRA used so as to not provide service stations on the interurbans (M6 for example), the idea been that motorists would pull of motorway and use local services. It was shown to be a failure tbh


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  • #271
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    It's a bit of a failure for the NRA to be building a NSA not on the M8/7 route first

    However they did build 2 on the M1, one of which is less than 2km from an existing service station at the Courtlough junction

    It's about 150m from the entrance of the service area to the motorway junction by road(and about 3m as the crow flies)


  • #272
    jd
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    dubhthach wrote: »
    Wasn't this not the argument the NRA used so as to not provide service stations on the interurbans (M6 for example), the idea been that motorists would pull of motorway and use local services. It was shown to be a failure tbh

    The NRA never used this argument, however they were precluded from building service areas

    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/TRJ/2010/12/01/printall.asp
    As regards service areas, it would certainly have been better if they had been developed with the motorways. The legislation is important, I am afraid, because we are completely constrained in what we can do. If there is not a statutory provision to the effect that we can do something, we cannot do it. Until the legislative change was made in 2007, the NRA had no authority and could not have developed service areas.


    Previous discussion at http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70647018


  • #273
    L1011
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    The "legislation" missing was an SI to bring in to force provisions of an early 1990s Act (I'm not gonna look for which one) as thats when "Motorway Service Areas" were allowed originally. They just never did it till the Roads Act 2007...


  • #274
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Golly gosh! - from the reaction here you'd think this was bad news :D

    Newlands Cross and the most dangerous stretch of road in the country being prioritised?

    Fantastic news! - and about time common sense won out over political parish pumpery. Also the notion of going in Arklow etc to get petrol/water/a rest is daft when you can have a dedicated service area.

    How often have those rustic rip-off shops had clean toilets; water for the windscreen; functioning air pump for the tyres? In most cases almost never.

    Too late for the rip-off artists to start crying now.

    As for the M18; I fully support it; but a higher priority than Newlands/N11?

    Pull the other one.:cool:


  • #275
    veryangryman
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    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Fantastic news! - and about time common sense won out over political parish pumpery. Also the notion of going in Arklow etc to get petrol/water/a rest is daft when you can have a dedicated service area.

    How often have those rustic rip-off shops had clean toilets; water for the windscreen; functioning air pump for the tyres? In most cases almost never.

    Too late for the rip-off artists to start crying now.


    Been on a UK service station? Toilets usually are a kip and the price of fuel is excessive

    Not that its the case on the irish ones (yet - theyre new so give it time)

    My point is...Online or offline, the places know they are shooting fish in a barrel and can generally charge and provide what quality of service they like.


  • #276
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    The thing that really annoyed me about the rustic pit-stops was the complete failure to have working air/water dispensers.

    Have I ever been in a UK service area? I assume that question is rhetorical. I have spend a large part of my life in them. Vastly better than the rustic pit-stop; functional.

    Overpriced? Yep.

    Toilets? OK imho. Maybe you aren't lucky :D


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  • #277
    veryangryman
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    Wild Bill wrote: »

    Toilets? OK imho. Maybe you aren't lucky :D

    :eek:


  • #278
    Bullseye1
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    Great news. Where did you read this?


  • #279
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Great news. Where did you read this?

    What? About the toilets? :confused:


  • #280
    2011newbuild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭2011newbuild


    "The design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of approximately 16.5 kilometres of dual carriageway linking the existing Arklow Bypass with the existing Rathnew/Ashford Bypass in Co. Wicklow, together with several kilometres of associated side roads and link roads. "


    Is it not motorway?

    Any update on whether this is still starting 1 Sep?


  • #281
    spacetweek
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    2011newbuild wrote: »
    "The design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of approximately 16.5 kilometres of dual carriageway linking the existing Arklow Bypass with the existing Rathnew/Ashford Bypass in Co. Wicklow, together with several kilometres of associated side roads and link roads. "


    Is it not motorway?

    Any update on whether this is still starting 1 Sep?
    I'm really, really hoping they mean Type 1 DC.


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  • #282
    serfboard
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    2011newbuild wrote: »
    Is it not motorway?

    I'm presuming it's going to be built as a Type 1 dual carriageway and upgraded to motorway by way of ministerial order the same way they did with previous schemes.


  • #283
    Niles
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    serfboard wrote: »
    I'm presuming it's going to be built as a Type 1 dual carriageway and upgraded to motorway by way of ministerial order the same way they did with previous schemes.

    It made some sense in the case of the earlier projects but would it not be more logical to have it has a motorway right from the start in this case, considering that's what it will link up to at both ends. Could it be "upgraded" before officially opening (unlike the Gorey/Inch bypasses)? The speed limits are patchwork as it is.


  • #284
    Mongarra
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    Build it as a Type 1 dual carriageway and upgrade it by changing the green signs to blue before the official opening. Then it becomes a motorway but costs only dual carriageway prices.


  • #285
    PseudoFamous
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    I can't find any info on this, but are they building the bridges wide enough to facilitate the road being widened, or a straighter railroad being added?

    I know it's unlikely now, but 20/30/40 years down the line, they may well need to, especially with the mad growth that's planned in Arklow, Wicklow and Gorey. Of course, I don't expect them to by any means, but it would be a clever foresight if the planning was to go even nearly accurately.


  • #286
    L1011
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    Niles wrote: »
    It made some sense in the case of the earlier projects but would it not be more logical to have it has a motorway right from the start in this case, considering that's what it will link up to at both ends. Could it be "upgraded" before officially opening (unlike the Gorey/Inch bypasses)? The speed limits are patchwork as it is.

    Building it "as motorway" despite being identical would require new planning and stricter rules

    Declaring it to be motorway post permission (I actually thought it had been already) avoids this.


  • #287
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    MYOB wrote: »
    Building it "as motorway" despite being identical would require new planning and stricter rules

    Declaring it to be motorway post permission (I actually thought it had been already) avoids this.

    Indeed, this is a great (if originally accidental) system for minimising the impact of the nutcase anti-roads objectors. Amazing how the word "motorway" pushes all their buttons yet a motorway by any other name often escapes their attention - them not being the brightest elves in the woods.

    But as this has been "shovel-ready" for 7 or 8 years it was probably originally planned as a HQDC like the other sections.

    I assume they won't actually go to the expense of actually erecting green signs only to replace them six months later in this case - what with the country broke 'n all ;)


  • #288
    Niles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Niles


    MYOB wrote: »
    Building it "as motorway" despite being identical would require new planning and stricter rules

    Declaring it to be motorway post permission (I actually thought it had been already) avoids this.

    Can it be "upgraded" prior to actual opening, or are we likely to have to wait a period between opening and upgrading?


  • #289
    L1011
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    Niles wrote: »
    Can it be "upgraded" prior to actual opening, or are we likely to have to wait a period between opening and upgrading?

    Definitely can be done prior to opening. Some bits have been done prior to *construction* (M18 from Gort to 'Oranmore' for instance).


  • #290
    Jayuu
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    Wild Bill wrote: »
    I assume they won't actually go to the expense of actually erecting green signs only to replace them six months later in this case - what with the country broke 'n all ;)

    +1
    This would be just madness and a complete waste of money. Surely this scheme has been planned already.


  • #291
    Carawaystick
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    As the land has been cpo'd the need for a motorway order is gone. The road can be redesigned to motorway anytime after a consultation period is completed

    As for building a railway line alongside it, how would a train get from Arklow station to Arklow rugby club or from the rugby club down to Clonpaddin? Let alone the gradients around Barndarrig


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  • #292
    csd
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    There seems to be very little in the public domain on the actual start date for this scheme. I don't see how it fits in with the "no major new schemes till 2014" announcement that was made recently.

    There's nothing on the NRA site to suggest it's starting next month... is there anything concrete beyond that one link posted up-thread?

    /csd


  • #293
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭jd


    The last correspondence I can offer is
    JD to Minister
    10 Jun
    Thanks Leo
    I presume the work on the "N11 gap" (Rathnew-Arklow), will not proceed for the foreseeable future (whether by PPP or directly funded)
    Cheers
    JD


    reply

    Minister Varadkar Constituency to me

    16 June 2011

    Dear JD,

    The NRA are currently pursuing whether this can get PPP funding. Because of its relatively small size they are somewhat hopeful that it can.


    Yours sincerely,
    Leo

    I sent in an email to the NRA this morning enquiring about the scheme


  • #294
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Did not somebody note above that this was no longer a PPP but was being build from Public Funds? :confused:

    [See the discussion on page 18]


  • #295
    L1011
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    csd wrote: »
    There seems to be very little in the public domain on the actual start date for this scheme. I don't see how it fits in with the "no major new schemes till 2014" announcement that was made recently.

    There's nothing on the NRA site to suggest it's starting next month... is there anything concrete beyond that one link posted up-thread?

    /csd

    The "no major new schemes till 2014" comes with a list of a few other pending schemes they intend to start this year. This is on it.


  • #296
    ilovegermany
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    MYOB wrote: »
    The "no major new schemes till 2014" comes with a list of a few other pending schemes they intend to start this year. This is on it.

    Are we sure this is no longer a PPP? - The NRA press release from the opening of the Cork interchanges makes no reference to the scheme as one of the ones to start this year. See the last paragraph at:
    http://www.nra.ie/News/PressReleases/htmltext,17954,en.html:confused:


  • #297
    L1011
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    ilovegermany wrote: »
    Are we sure this is no longer a PPP? - The NRA press release from the opening of the Cork interchanges makes no reference to the scheme as one of the ones to start this year. See the last paragraph at:
    http://www.nra.ie/News/PressReleases/htmltext,17954,en.html:confused:

    we're not. Its just a (fairly plausible) interpretation me a contract award notice on a non-state website.


  • #298
    Skid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    I saw this posted this morning, hope there is no substance to this story from 'well placed sources' ...

    http://www.wicklownews.net/index.php/2011/08/fears-grow-that-promised-n11-upgrade-will-be-axed/


    The promised upgrade of a lethal stretch of the N11 may not go ahead for the foreseeable future, WicklowNews.net has learned.

    This morning it has emerged that the National Roads Authority has been ordered to halt work on over 40 national projects.
    While the N11 is not one of these, sources have said it looks increasingly likely that Transport Minister Leo Varadkar will shelve the much needed project in the coming weeks as exchequer and private financing dries up.

    Just before the election, a number of TDs and election candidates announced that they had assurances from the Department of Transport that the upgrade, from Arklow to Rathnew, one of the country’s most notorious stretches of road, would begin construction by the end of 2011.
    That department also told WicklowNews.net that it was ploughing ahead with the project. (Click here for the story)

    But according to well placed sources, the project will be delayed yet again. An announcement will be made in the coming weeks.
    At least 18 people have died on the 25km single lane route since the early 90s, many of those in crashes at the Ballinameesda bends.

    Work was due to begin in 2005, however, the project has experienced significant delays despite the fact that the northern section of the route, from Wicklow Town to Bray, was completed some years ago.

    While the N11 upgrade is to be built by the private sector, with the option of tolls, it now looks likely that the state will not be able to pay the bill.
    Industry sources have also said it will be almost impossible for a large construction firm to get bank support for the project.


  • #299
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭jd


    Just got this... (It's still a PPP :) )
    Dear JD,

    Thank you for your email regarding the N11 Arklow to Rathnew scheme.

    It is proposed to construct the N11 Arklow to Rathnew road improvement scheme under a Public Private Partnership contract that will also cater for the N7 Newlands Cross Upgrade scheme and the planned service area on the M11 near Gorey, Co. Wexford. The tender process for this PPP contract is underway and it is hoped, subject to availability of satisfactory funding arrangements, to award the contract later this year.

    Regards,


  • #300
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    jd wrote: »
    Just got this... (It's still a PPP :) )
    I'm still hopeful for this one.


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  • #301
    dmeehan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    jd wrote: »
    subject to availability of satisfactory funding arrangements
    there's the get-out clause


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