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  • #1952
    Darsad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Darsad


    I saw that unmarked van this morning @ 1.30 am on the airport road hiding behind a wall where the road splits from the tunnell entrance heading to the city and the speed drops to 60. The only objective for them hiding there is to act like mobile toll booths. Thankfully the guy in front of me gave a little flash of his hazards just enough for me to slow down fom the disgraceful speed of 70 kph .


  • #1953
    Grimreaper666
    Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    They're sneaky b@stards alright, as if the other vans aren't rolling in enough money as it is. The fine is bad enough but the points are a pain in the @rse!! A lot of cars will give you a flash alright, fair play to them. What bugs me is all the rules and regulations for the small guy while the big shots get away with so much and bailed on every occasion.


  • #1954
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    cyclopath2001 wrote: »
    You mean, parked in a safe location on bend where people might go too fast?

    Wouldn't always call them safe. But generally, unlike the Garda vans, your normally on top of them before they are seen. I'm contrasting between the two Garda van locations I normally pass i.e. The N11 at the UCD fly over and the above. Both arrow straight roads and easily seen, unlike the GoSafe I've come across.

    This GoSafe van: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71865014&postcount=1560

    Is easy to see in one direction (Be it at the end of straight in pitch darkness which is dangerous) and on a fast sweeping corner.

    I have another video from the Dunmore Road, I'll post it soon.


  • #1955
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Again I spotted this van outside mountrath, clearly a speed van, unmarked, I took photos of the front and side and rear, knocked on van door but no answer! Are these vans supposed to be clearly marked or not, it's position is in a private drive way and a person was killed back in 1981 near the spot, that's the only fatality ever near the area. 10 ky 2202 who owns this van? Is it legal. If you are fined check what vehicle it was that caught you, if not properly marked it's not legal, and no it was not a Garda van. Kerry reg and insured with axa. Have pictures Will post later. 10 KY 2202 sneaky underhanded and illegal. Sort these people out. Where are these vehicles fitted out? In Ireland or are they from outside? More waste of jobs,


  • #1956
    Dilbert75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭Dilbert75


    The GoSafe camera vans are marked, highly visible and manned by civilian employees. The Garda vans are unmarked, inobtrusive and manned by Gardai. You should be glad you didn't get a response because it sounds like your manner was quite threatening and you could have got yourself in bigger trouble than a speeding fine.


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  • #1957
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,927 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Stop going over the speed limit so, Brazilmorgyn and you won't have to worry if they are marked or not.


  • #1958
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Dilbert75 wrote: »
    The GoSafe camera vans are marked, highly visible and manned by civilian employees. The Garda vans are unmarked, inobtrusive and manned by Gardai. You should be glad you didn't get a response because it sounds like your manner was quite threatening and you could have got yourself in bigger trouble than a speeding fine.

    No your wrong, it was not a Garda van, it was owned by Go safe and how do you conclude my manner was as you stated ? I checked the insurance disc details and found owner, so I was right it is an illegal van. Not marked. I presume the reason I got no answer was because they know this and avoid answering questions. 10ky2202is not a Garda van period,. Thanks


  • #1959
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,598 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    No your wrong, it was not a Garda van, it was owned by Go safe and how do you conclude my manner was as you stated ? I checked the insurance disc details and found owner, so I was right it is an illegal van. Not marked. I presume the reason I got no answer was because they know this and avoid answering questions. 10ky2202is not a Garda van period,. Thanks
    eh, no. unmarked go safe vans survey speeds on stretches of road and do not give out points (in fact I believe they have no capability to record car registrations). I would expect to see a fully marked van in the same place soon though, and this will be dishing out points!


  • #1960
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    eh, no. unmarked go safe vans survey speeds on stretches of road and do not give out points (in fact I believe they have no capability to record car registrations). I would expect to see a fully marked van in the same place soon though, and this will be dishing out points!

    Padraig , you are right, survey van it was, just found out through a contact, yes there is a marked blue fiat ducato there often, it's just a money spinner though I firmly believe.! And go safe are an English company .


  • #1961
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Stop going over the speed limit so, Brazilmorgyn and you won't have to worry if they are marked or not.

    Who said I was worried about them or I was speeding? There is a bigger picture going on here with these safety vans and go safe! And if people let them away with it, it's you and others who will end up walking, or paying fines because of a business and that's what go safe are remember , in it to make money! Check their yearly results in the uk if you don,t believe this.


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  • #1962
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭kirving


    How is it illegal, exaclty?


  • #1963
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    Who said I was worried about them or I was speeding? There is a bigger picture going on here with these safety vans and go safe! And if people let them away with it, it's you and others who will end up walking, or paying fines because of a business and that's what go safe are remember , in it to make money! Check their yearly results in the uk if you don,t believe this.

    Whats this "bigger [icture" and how will it end up with me walking? No vague answers please, facts.

    If I never speed, how can they do anything to me? or are you saying they are just going to make things up?


  • #1964
    mb1725
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭mb1725


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    And go safe are an English company .

    The safery camera vans are being operated by a consortium called GoSafe which includes Spectra, French firm Egis and Australian multinational Redflex, which has its Irish registered business address in Listowel.


  • #1965
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Whats this "bigger [icture" and how will it end up with me walking? No vague answers please, facts.

    If I never speed, how can they do anything to me? or are you saying they are just going to make things up?
    If you drive on motorways you must have passed 120km/h at some point. Its not possible to overtake someone doing 100 in the slow lane at less than 130 or you would get hit by a car behind you.


  • #1966
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    If you drive on motorways you must have passed 120km/h at some point. Its not possible to overtake someone doing 100 in the slow lane at less than 130 or you would get hit by a car behind you.

    It's very possible to pass people doing 100 in the driving lane at 120 in a 120 zone.

    If you pull put and get hit then the gap wasnt there.

    I never said I dont speed btw. I was using it as an example to try get a straight answer which normally doesnt happen when newish posters come ranting and raving. They usually moan a bit then disappear without answering any challenges to their posts properly.


  • #1967
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    How is it illegal, exaclty?
    mb1725 wrote: »
    The safery camera vans are being operated by a consortium called GoSafe which includes Spectra, French firm Egis and Australian multinational Redflex, which has its Irish registered business address in Listowel.
    All in business to do what? Right ! make money! What happens if they get no customers, they go out of business, so it's in their interest to entrap people by placing safety vans in places they know will get them revenue, hence the use of survey vans such as 10 KY 2202 , to see if it will pay placing a van at a location, and the fact someone got killed at a location has little relevance if it happened 20 years ago ,and now the fact is used only as an excuse to place a van at a location. It's a scam


  • #1968
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    All in business to do what? Right ! make money! What happens if they get no customers, they go out of business, so it's in their interest to entrap people by placing safety vans in places they know will get them revenue, hence the use of survey vans such as 10 KY 2202 , to see if it will pay placing a van at a location, and the fact someone got killed at a location has little relevance if it happened 20 years ago ,and now the fact is used only as an excuse to place a van at a location. It's a scam

    If they get no business its because no on is speeding. How are you proposing they force peopel to speed? Which is what you seemed to be implying in your last post I quoted.


  • #1969
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    It's very possible to pass people doing 100 in the driving lane at 120 in a 120 zone.

    If you pull put and get hit then the gap wasnt there.

    I never said I dont speed btw. I was using it as an example to try get a straight answer which normally doesnt happen when newish posters come ranting and raving. They usually moan a bit then disappear without answering any challenges to their posts properly.
    The point I'm making is that even someone who never drives faster than sensible will be caught by a speed camera at 122km/h because that's how they work. I'm totally against speed cameras since a warning sign works better and is much cheaper.


  • #1970
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    The point I'm making is that even someone who never drives faster than sensible will be caught by a speed camera at 122km/h r.

    No they wont. If you can show me any evidence of anyone beign done for 122 in a 120 zone here, or anythign like it, I'll empty my wallet and give you the contents.

    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    I'm totally against speed cameras since a warning sign works better and is much cheaper.

    A warning sign like what? A lollipop shaped thing with a red border and the speed your allowed travel on it? Maybe you should email the government and tell them to put them on every street.


  • #1971
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If they get no business its because no on is speeding. How are you proposing they force peopel to speed? Which is what you seemed to be implying in your last post I quoted.
    They place vans just behind speed notification signs, on way into towns, on main roads, they hide vans , if they want us to see them why are they not bright orange like dyno rods vans for example, no they have dark blue black silver etc, why ? To deter us ? No to entrap us? It's
    a big business collecting fines, ask any accountant , but really there are so many other issues that relate to road safety other than speeding, and these are not being dealt with because they cost money, repair roads improve roads , all cost but speeding fines bring in huge revenue. Another tax on the people of Ireland, and it's only staring.


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  • #1972
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If they get no business its because no on is speeding. How are you proposing they force peopel to speed? Which is what you seemed to be implying in your last post I quoted.
    They place vans just behind speed notification signs, on way into towns, on main roads, they hide vans , if they want us to see them why are they not bright orange like dyno rods vans for example, no they have dark blue black silver etc, why ? To deter us ? No to entrap us? It's a big business collecting fines, ask any accountant , but really there are so many other issues that relate to road safety other than speeding, and these are not being dealt with because they cost money, repair roads improve roads , all cost but speeding fines bring in huge revenue. Another tax on the people of Ireland, and it's only staring.



    They are marked. You admitted yourself the unmarked on you are on about was a survey van.


  • #1973
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    They are marked. You admitted yourself the unmarked on you are on about was a survey van.

    Do you drive ! Read what I said, the vans are not very visible and are hiding in the gates of farm yards parked on paths etc, the way they are marked is not designed to be viewed from a distance, unlike marked Garda cars etc. Reflective markings, not really, next time your out look at a van closely , it's what I said , a money making business and a scam tax. It's a private company, they really want you to stop speeding? I think not, no more than the minister does. He needs the revenue.


  • #1974
    JamesBond2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    Do you drive ! Read what I said, the vans are not very visible and are hiding in the gates of farm yards parked on paths etc, the way they are marked is not designed to be viewed from a distance, unlike marked Garda cars etc. Reflective markings, not really, next time your out look at a van closely , it's what I said , a money making business and a scam tax. It's a private company, they really want you to stop speeding? I think not, no more than the minister does. He needs the revenue.



    I agree with this poster i was coming home the other Night from cork when i saw a Go Safe van pulled in outside some ones house on left hand side of the road a a small bit before u hit the Bad bends(quarry) before Buttervant. i would not have seen it only for i was looking @ the time.


  • #1975
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    gosafe390x285.jpg

    Hardly inconspicuous.


  • #1976
    Testament1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Testament1


    They can be pretty damn inconspicuous when they're pulled into a nice shaded area at night with no lights on. Those markings on the vans aren't reflective so it can be difficult to spot them at night.


  • #1977
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Testament1 wrote: »
    They can be pretty damn inconspicuous when they're pulled into a nice shaded area at night with no lights on. Those markings on the vans aren't reflective so it can be difficult to spot them at night.

    Couldn't agree more. Please, look passed the hype. This is a PRIVATE company. They ain't out their for the love of keeping the roads safe, they are out their with targets, quota's and a budget. That all equals revenue and profit. I'd put my entire net worth that they will NEVER make a loss. I'm sure the response to that would be "Well, we'll all keep them going with our speeding and lack of road knowledge" Utter rubbish. That accounts for maybe 50% of their catch. The rest is sneaky, underhand tactics. I have four videos that I'm editing now after reading this past thread.

    Its two GoSafe vans versus a Garda van. Three locations and it will highlight just how sneaky these guys are.


  • #1978
    Hooch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    This thread just keeps going around in circles.....

    Go Safe vans cannot detect on a motorway. Only Gardaí can stop in a motorway.

    Secondly.....Go Safe vans don't care how many speeders they detect. The limits are set by the Garda National Traffic Bureau as are the locations and the company is paid for their time....not for their detections. This is why they will never make a loss......and it's why you seen them out last winter during the ice and snow when nobody could speed.


  • #1979
    JMSE
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭JMSE


    Was comin out of Enniscorthy Thursay midday and when I saw the gosafe van, I looked down at the speedo which was at 83/84. I'm in a truck so that means I'm over by 3 or 4kmphs. I dont know if I'll get done yet but I'm already bloody annoyed coz I am Mr.Stayonthelimit.


  • #1980
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,241 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    If you drive on motorways you must have passed 120km/h at some point. Its not possible to overtake someone doing 100 in the slow lane at less than 130 or you would get hit by a car behind you.

    THERE IS NO SLOW LANE.

    And your post is absolute rubbish.


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  • #1981
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    NGA wrote: »
    This thread just keeps going around in circles.....

    Go Safe vans cannot detect on a motorway. Only Gardaí can stop in a motorway.

    Secondly.....Go Safe vans don't care how many speeders they detect. The limits are set by the Garda National Traffic Bureau as are the locations and the company is paid for their time....not for their detections. This is why they will never make a loss......and it's why you seen them out last winter during the ice and snow when nobody could speed.

    Thank god someone posted in this thread who actually knows what they are talking about.


  • #1982
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,241 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    JMSE wrote: »
    Was comin out of Enniscorthy Thursay midday and when I saw the gosafe van, I looked down at the speedo which was at 83/84. I'm in a truck so that means I'm over by 3 or 4kmphs. I dont know if I'll get done yet but I'm already bloody annoyed coz I am Mr.Stayonthelimit.

    Speedos generally overestimate by 5% or so. You might be fine.


  • #1983
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    sdeire wrote: »
    THERE IS NO SLOW LANE.

    And your post is absolute rubbish.
    Your head's in the slow lane. Not explaining it again.


  • #1984
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Think I got flashed by a van coming out of Donnybrook last night, was doing about 58 in a 50 section on an empty road at 1am.

    Have to say, even once it had flashed at I looked at it, I still barely saw it, it was parked in an impressively dark spot.

    How long till I get confirmation?


  • #1985
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    NGA wrote: »
    This thread just keeps going around in circles.....

    Go Safe vans cannot detect on a motorway. Only Gardaí can stop in a motorway.

    Secondly.....Go Safe vans don't care how many speeders they detect. The limits are set by the Garda National Traffic Bureau as are the locations and the company is paid for their time....not for their detections. This is why they will never make a loss......and it's why you seen them out last winter during the ice and snow when nobody could speed.
    Again the people of Ireland are sold this bull, this is only starting, who bets quotas will stay the same? Never, because it's a money spinner for the state and a major private company, when did that ever work, M50 ? Toll roads?


  • #1986
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    gosafe390x285.jpg

    Hardly inconspicuous.
    A propaganda photo from the state, this does not reflect the true markings of a speed camera van, the vans they have are blue , black, green, silver, red, every colour to fool people , they have smaller markings than shown in your picture, this is a money making business nothing else, do people really think a major company based in the uk are worried about us speeding in Ireland? That they spend hundreds of thousands to help us and the Garda stop speeding ? Or they see a opportunity to make millions from catching honest decent people in underhanded sneaky ways.
    When did the state and private business ever work well, is clamping cars a good example? No, is the way car parks in hospitals are monitored by private companies good . No! I can go on for ages with examples, but the go safe vans are a scam to raise revenue, nothing else, at least the Garda earned their money and gave you advise if you got stopped for speeding, not these go safe van sneaks, soon one of their employies will have the courage to tell how they are trained by this company, then we will see if I,m right. Bring back honest policing.


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  • #1987
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more. Please, look passed the hype. This is a PRIVATE company. They ain't out their for the love of keeping the roads safe, they are out their with targets, quota's and a budget. That all equals revenue and profit. I'd put my entire net worth that they will NEVER make a loss. I'm sure the response to that would be "Well, we'll all keep them going with our speeding and lack of road knowledge" Utter rubbish. That accounts for maybe 50% of their catch. The rest is sneaky, underhand tactics. I have four videos that I'm editing now after reading this past thread.

    Its two GoSafe vans versus a Garda van. Three locations and it will highlight just how sneaky these guys are.
    Thank god someone else can see what I,m saying, it's a scam and corrupt buisness with no other agenda than profit for state and foreign based business, forget go safe saying we are based in Kerry, anyone can open an office in Ireland, where do the directors live! Kerry ? No, London, Paris, the truth will surface about ministers and these slime balls shady dealings in getting this contract, it's a scandal and it's only starting! Why do the state not place electronic speed signs at enter es to villages that monitor your speed and flash it to you? Like in France Italy etc? And inside they have a camera if you exceed the speed limit you get a fine, simple, but they cost money to buy and they work , so the state gets no return! Hence go safe come on the scene! We have a plan minister stroke! And it begins!


  • #1988
    HTB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭HTB


    Have to agree, this whole thing is a scam on the motoring public and the tax payer.

    I warned people about this before it happened and they laughed at me.
    There is a van parked on the Navan Trim road nearly every day. I would love to know why this road is classed as a dangerous road where people have been killed ?.

    The road is new, 2 years old and I dont think there has been any major accidents on it.
    Also I remember the propaganda telling us these vans would be visible. NOT A CHANCE !.
    A red van parked on the left on the way out of Trim on the Dublin road. I actually went back to look and there was not one marking on the Van. :mad:


  • #1989
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    HTB wrote: »
    I actually went back to look and there was not one marking on the Van. :mad:

    Then it's a survey van and doesn't give out points. Jesus, read the bloody thread before ranting.


  • #1990
    HTB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭HTB


    133 pages, go away outa that.:eek:

    Whats a survey van :confused:


    Chris, If your this perky on a Monday, you must be gas altogether by Friday.:D


  • #1991
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    HTB wrote: »
    133 pages, go away outa that.:eek:

    Whats a survey van :confused:


    Chris, If your this perky on a Monday, you must be gas altogether by Friday.:D

    If you go back 30 posts you'll see this discussed and clarified (again).

    It's not too much to ask to expect people to read back a few pages before posting - it feels like groundhog day around here sometimes...


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  • #1992
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    -Chris- wrote: »
    Then it's a survey van and doesn't give out points. Jesus, read the bloody thread before ranting.

    Survey vans only excist to reserch if it will be viable for go safe to deploy a 79000€ van at a certain location to see if it's a profitable road position to bring in revenue for the company, nothing to do with road safety, profit and profit only is why the real speed vans hide in gate ways on footpaths feet behind road signs,and the so called reflective markings on the vans are not hiviz reflective, but a special order from a company in the uk, check the markings on a Garda car or an ambulance against one of these vans operated by go safe. This is a PRIVATE company, in business to make money, and it's from the people of Ireland the money will come from, so it's in go safes interest to operate their vans best they can by hiding them, making sure no one can see them until it's too late, not to deter speeders, that would be crazy business to run customers !:eek:


  • #1993
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    Survey vans only excist to reserch if it will be viable for go safe to deploy a 79000€ van at a certain location to see if it's a profitable road position to bring in revenue for the company, nothing to do with road safety, profit and profit only is why the real speed vans hide in gate ways on footpaths feet behind road signs,and the so called reflective markings on the vans are not hiviz reflective, but a special order from a company in the uk, check the markings on a Garda car or an ambulance against one of these vans operated by go safe. This is a PRIVATE company, in business to make money, and it's from the people of Ireland the money will come from, so it's in go safes interest to operate their vans best they can by hiding them, making sure no one can see them until it's too late, not to deter speeders, that would be crazy business to run customers !:eek:


    Thats total crap. Read this post FFS. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73342008&postcount=1980

    That poster knows what he is talking about,


  • #1994
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Thats total crap. Read this post FFS. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73342008&postcount=1980

    That poster knows what he is talking about,
    I just explained the same as he did what survey vans are for, they do not give out points but are for revenue research, next time you pay € 80 remember this. Don,t believe everything the minister tells you or what big business tell you. Anglo Irish ring a bell! Grow up and see what's happening, it's very simple to see when you open your mind.


  • #1995
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    I just explained the same as he did what survey vans are for, they do not give out points but are for revenue research, next time you pay € 80 remember this. Don,t believe everything the minister tells you or what big business tell you. Anglo Irish ring a bell! Grow up and see what's happening, it's very simple to see when you open your mind.

    I wont be paying 80 euros to anybody..;)

    The vans are on a fixed price so if they catch the entire population or catch 1000 people they get paid the same. This has been posted several times here but some people are just too thick to get it into there heads.


  • #1996
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    I wont be paying 80 euros to anybody..;)

    The vans are on a fixed price so if they catch the entire population or catch 1000 people they get paid the same. This has been posted several times here but some people are just too thick to get it into there heads.

    Yes they are, but watch how it works, they catch as many as possible in the first few months, then what they park the vans in a shed until next year! No they again lobby the minister saying we have a bigger speeding problem then we thought, we should increase the quota minister, and the minister thinks about all the money he will make, and they agree, see big business and ministers working together end up bad for the people of Ireland,, does the so called Galway tent remind you of how we ended up in the **** we are in now. This is only the start of this scam, trust me, and you will some day end up paying like a lot of people have already, to a company who,s share holders are all foreign .
    ,


  • #1997
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Brazilmorgyn wrote: »
    Yes they are, but watch how it works, they catch as many as possible in the first few months, then what they park the vans in a shed until next year! No they again lobby the minister saying we have a bigger speeding problem then we thought, we should increase the quota minister, and the minister thinks about all the money he will make, and they agree, see big business and ministers working together end up bad for the people of Ireland,, does the so called Galway tent remind you of how we ended up in the **** we are in now. This is only the start of this scam, trust me, and you will some day end up paying like a lot of people have already, to a company who,s share holders are all foreign .
    ,

    Just stop speeding and you will be fine.. They cannot catch you then.:)


  • #1998
    Brazilmorgyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Brazilmorgyn


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Just stop speeding and you will be fine.. They cannot catch you then.:)
    Never thought of that! But you know I,m right :pac:


  • #1999
    Mac89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Mac89


    ok guys im a bit confuzzled here!!

    So there are GoSafe Vans which only give out fines (€80) but not penalty points?! Am I correct here? And they look like these:

    gosafe.jpg

    Then there are garda vans which you can get penalty points and a fine with!? And they look like this?

    DSC00015.JPG

    And then ive seen red ones too!?

    Apologies if i seem like a total thicko but would like to know what the deal is with them!! I have read previous posts but am still confused!! And also how long does it take till you receive notification of points/fine??

    Thanks!!


  • #2000
    Wolverine_1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Wolverine_1999


    Mac89 wrote: »
    ok guys im a bit confuzzled here!!

    So there are GoSafe Vans which only give out fines (€80) but not penalty points?! Am I correct here? And they look like these:


    Then there are garda vans which you can get penalty points and a fine with!? And they look like this?

    And then ive seen red ones too!?

    Apologies if i seem like a total thicko but would like to know what the deal is with them!! I have read previous posts but am still confused!! And also how long does it take till you receive notification of points/fine??

    Thanks!!

    You get penalty points for any speeding fine. The red ones you mention are unmarked Gosafe vans which are used for surveying and do not issue speeding fines.


  • #2001
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Mac89 wrote: »
    ok guys im a bit confuzzled here!!

    So there are GoSafe Vans which only give out fines (€80) but not penalty points?! Am I correct here? And they look like these:

    gosafe.jpg

    Then there are garda vans which you can get penalty points and a fine with!? And they look like this?

    DSC00015.JPG

    And then ive seen red ones too!?

    Apologies if i seem like a total thicko but would like to know what the deal is with them!! I have read previous posts but am still confused!! And also how long does it take till you receive notification of points/fine??

    Thanks!!

    With respect, the general populous should just assume that every van they encounter will give them a fine and points. Its pretty hard to tell the difference between an unmarked GoSafe survey van (i.e. No fine or points) and an unmarked Garda van (i.e. Fine and Points) The only clue would be the make and model of the van, and the registration plate.

    All marked GoSafe vans give fine's and points.

    And I don't buy the whole "They get paid a fixed amount not based on the number of speeders" Granted, they get a fixed amount, no problem in that. But that fixed amount is millions of our hard earned taxes. They won't get that money unless they show results, and to show results you have to catch speeders.

    While they are not paid by the speeder, they certainly have to show something for all the money they are getting, and like any business that means keeping in business by any means possible.

    I'd also like to point out that the contract and the money handed over is absolutely ludicrous. According to this: (http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Safety%20Cameras%20Contract%20Signed) it costs 16 million per year.

    €43,835 per day.

    That pretty much means a van is paid for in about a week (The vans are very expensive) So after about 3 months they are totally in profit by a huge margin, and its a rolling yearly contract.

    The government only need 200,000 €80 fines from them to pay for it and given the current economic climate, I sincerely doubt they are willing to make a loss. So there is your quota, the government need 200,000 fines a year (550 fines a day) to justify it. Easy peasy I'd say for GoSafe. They must be laughing all the way to the bank.

    Anyone who has got a notice, does it come from the Department of Transport or GoSafe? If it comes from Shannon, it just goes to show that we are being screwed again as GoSafe probably just send the reg, speed and photo. And we have to again pay for them to be processed in Shannon.

    So anyone who says this is a not for profit, safety directed projected is an utter idiot in my eyes.


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