Holland set to boot out Polish immigrants who can't find work after 3 months.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-07-2011 11:35PM #1

Holland is on a collision course with the EU over a threat to deport Poles and other eastern Europeans who cannot find work and withhold their state benefits if they don't speak Dutch

Could Ireland do the same here if Immigrants here can't get work and fail to speak Irish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011096/Holland-set-collision-EU-plans-deport-Polish-immigrants-job.html

sollar · 04-07-2011 11:38PM

It isn't a bad idea, perhaps it should be longer for people who have been here a long time. But someone coming over working a few months and then staying and drawing the dole for years is not going to be good for this country

lecker Hendl · 04-07-2011 11:38PM

let's hope they don't deport the nationals that don't speak irish. There won't be anyone left.

opinion guy · 04-07-2011 11:39PM

How about we just kick out all the racists from all over Europe and give them their own country ? THat'll work won't it ?

Some of you seem to have real problems understanding the basic functioning of the EU

onemorechance · 04-07-2011 11:39PM

Don't think they should be so quick to kick them out, but they should have to make some effort to learn the language.

Celly Smunt · 04-07-2011 11:41PM

onemorechance wrote: »

Don't think they should be so quick to kick them out, but they should have to make some effort to learn the language.

surely they should be tested on their knowledge of the country and language before hand,something like the British residency test thing

Run_to_da_hills · 04-07-2011 11:41PM

onemorechance wrote: »

Don't think they should be so quick to kick them out, but they should have to make some effort to learn the language.

You could be damn sure if the national language became a requirement they would pick it up a lot quicker than any of us did and put us to shame with it.

man.about.town · 04-07-2011 11:42PM

not a bad idea at all.. all i know is the social welfare system isnt working here, if this is some way to save alot money im all for it

onemorechance · 04-07-2011 11:46PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

surely they should be tested on their knowledge of the country and language before hand,something like the British residency test thing

I doubt it, free movement in EU I'd say it's hard to put such restrictions. Could be the start of a less freedom of movement Europe.

Nodin · 04-07-2011 11:47PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Holland is on a collision course with the EU over a threat to deport Poles and other eastern Europeans who cannot find work and withhold their state benefits if they don't speak Dutch

Could Ireland do the same here if Immigrants here can't get work and fail to speak Irish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011096/Holland-set-collision-EU-plans-deport-Polish-immigrants-job.html

You can't arrive here and claim benefits, so it doesn't apply.

sollar · 04-07-2011 11:47PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Some of you seem to have real problems understanding the basic functioning of the EU

Rules are not always correct. If immigration is becoming a problem for a country then they need to do something about it. What would happen of 5 million eastern europeans decide they want to move to holland. Should the dutch allow it just because the 'rules' say so??

OPENROAD · 04-07-2011 11:47PM

onemorechance wrote: »

I doubt it, free movement in EU I'd say it's hard to put such restrictions. Could be the start of a less freedom of movement Europe.

That will hit the Irish hard.

policarp · 04-07-2011 11:48PM

lecker Hendl wrote: »

let's hope they don't deport the nationals that don't speak irish. There won't be anyone left.

Mightn't be such a bad idea at all...

opinion guy · 04-07-2011 11:49PM

sollar wrote: »

Rules are not always correct. If immigration is becoming a problem for a country then they need to do something about it. What would happen of 5 million eastern europeans decide they want to move to holland. Should the dutch allow it just because the 'rules' say so??

The Dutch should allow it because that is what they signed up to allow it. Same as everyone else. Same rules that let lots of Irish go find work in Germany in the 80's.

Celly Smunt · 04-07-2011 11:52PM

onemorechance wrote: »

I doubt it, free movement in EU I'd say it's hard to put such restrictions. Could be the start of a less freedom of movement Europe.

not if they went down the sovereign security background check route,there are always loopholes,however in Ireland's circumstances and the mass emigration i don't think it would be a good mover for Ireland

onemorechance · 04-07-2011 11:52PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

That will hit the Irish hard.

Probably more than most. It does seem though with Greece needing extra money, countries not really being on the same page with regards to the future for Europe, there are surely some big changes ahead.

NSNO · 04-07-2011 11:53PM

The EU will slap this down, it's a non-starter. Obviously the Daily Mail couldn't resist though

The question should be about the speed of future European expansion, that's the real issue. The EU needs to stop expanding into countries in which even a good salary cannot compete even with western EU state benefits. I'd argue that there is no reason for the EU to expand even within the next 25 years (except obviously Norway/Switzerland)

However, the creation of a two-tier European Union of the countries already in the Union is dangerous and threatens the very fundamentals upon which the EU was built. It's indicative of a rising reactionary xenophobia in many countries. It's the tragedy that always follows economic difficulties - the native population blame immigrants rather than the politicians/bankers who really caused the mess.

At least the rise of the reactionary right following this current economic collapse is relatively mild compared to others in recent European history!

scudzilla · 04-07-2011 11:54PM

opinion guy wrote: »

How about we just kick out all the racists from all over Europe and give them their own country ? THat'll work won't it ?

Some of you seem to have real problems understanding the basic functioning of the EU

How can this be classed as racism? If certain people come over here and their sole aim is to claim benefits then they should be kicked out, wether they're black, blue, white, yellow, pink or green.

And after all, this is people's opinions, take note of yer username

The Princess Bride · 04-07-2011 11:54PM

I have friends who moved to France and Holland to work many years ago,and all made effort to learn French/ Dutch- no big deal,it was necessary for their employment.

We are too tolerant here perhaps?

During the boom, we had EU/non EU nationals coming here to work,we couldn't get enough of them,and -maybe- we overlooked the fact they didn't speak English because they worked hard?
Granted,most of them made the effort to learn English.Some however,didn't learn it, lost their jobs during recession,and now sit at home wondering why they can't find work- hello- it helps to speak the lingo,no?
I have a Polish friend who is frustrated that some of her friends here don't make the effort to learn eng- it becomes a greater issue when their kids go to school and have to learn both eng& irish-nightmare.

saywhatyousee · 04-07-2011 11:57PM

I have been to Holland 9 times,only twice have i been addressed in Dutch.Perhaps they should be fluent in English,most Dutch people seem to prefer speaking it.

OPENROAD · 05-07-2011 12:04AM

msthe80s wrote: »

I have friends who moved to France and Holland to work many years ago,and all made effort to learn French/ Dutch- no big deal,it was necessary for their employment.

We are too tolerant here perhaps?

During the boom, we had EU/non EU nationals coming here to work,we couldn't get enough of them,and -maybe- we overlooked the fact they didn't speak English because they worked hard?
Granted,most of them made the effort to learn English.Some however,didn't learn it, lost their jobs during recession,and now sit at home wondering why they can't find work- hello- it helps to speak the lingo,no?
I have a Polish friend who is frustrated that some of her friends here don't make the effort to learn eng- it becomes a greater issue when their kids go to school and have to learn both eng& irish-nightmare.

Most of them speak perfect English imo, in fact better English then a lot of locals.

Stinicker · 05-07-2011 12:08AM

.... inserts witty remark about attractive polish women here.

Drake66 · 05-07-2011 12:13AM

sollar wrote: »

Rules are not always correct. If immigration is becoming a problem for a country then they need to do something about it. What would happen of 5 million eastern europeans decide they want to move to holland. Should the dutch allow it just because the 'rules' say so??

Yeah because it is not as if Dutch people have never moved on mass to other people's countries in the past!

The Princess Bride · 05-07-2011 12:18AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Most of them speak perfect English imo, in fact better English then a lot of locals.

IME- some rather than most- but I admire anyone who goes to a different country and adapts rather than expects everyone to pity them, and spends their life moaning.

OPENROAD · 05-07-2011 12:22AM

msthe80s wrote: »

IME- some rather than most- but I admire anyone who goes to a different country and adapts rather than expects everyone to pity them, and spends their life moaning.

Well certainly those working in retail

Belly_Dancer · 05-07-2011 12:35AM

This is a very good idea.
Well done to the Dutch for this.
Given our economic situation we should consider a similar move.

Also with all these foreigners we should have the option to pay them the same dole/social welfare rates as they would get in their own country.
I think you would see quite a few one way flights to Riga, Vilnius, & Warsaw etc.:D

wild_cat · 05-07-2011 01:00AM

I dunno, we're thinking of moving to the mainland in the next few years and have started to learn the language of that country already.

I think its rude to live full time in another country and not speak to the locals in their native tongue.

But...

I am a big fan of the freedom of movement within the EU and their plans will be shot down quick enough.

Those right wingers the Dutch voted in are throwing out some odd stuff lately.

LighterGuy · 05-07-2011 01:01AM

What Holland is doing can be seen as looking out for ones own interests... and you know something? WE ALL DO IT. This is just a country doing it in this case rather than an individual. This whole "if they dont speak dutch" is boll*x. Just a cover story to get some people out.

Do i agree with it? ... Kinda. 3 months is too short of a time. A person can loose their job and spend months trying to get another. If it was a year? and social welfare payments would stop? fair enough.

I really cant see why the majority on here would be against it. Any time there is mention of social welfare fraud people w*nk on about how its disgraceful etc. But what do you think a hefty precentage of eastern europeans are doing? Not just in holland but over here?

Last year with the ash clouds a few thousand eastern europeans missed their "sign in" day for the SW. The same week airplanes were grounded. Its no secret the SW over here went "hold on!?"

All Holland is trying to do is to stamp out social fraud and illegal working.

OPENROAD · 05-07-2011 01:04AM

LighterGuy wrote: »

What Holland is doing can be seen as looking out for ones own interests... and you know something? WE ALL DO IT. This is just a country doing it in this case rather than an individual. This whole "if they dont speak dutch" is boll*x. Just a cover story to get some people out.

Do i agree with it? ... Kinda. 3 months is too short of a time. A person can loose their job and spend months trying to get another. If it was a year? and social welfare payments would stop? fair enough.

I really cant see why the majority on here would be against it. Any time there is mention of social welfare fraud people w*nk on about how its disgraceful etc. But what do you think a hefty precentage of eastern europeans are doing? Not just in holland but over here?

Last year with the ash clouds a few thousand eastern europeans missed their "sign in" day for the SW. The same week airplanes were grounded. Its no secret the SW over here went "hold on!?"

All Holland is trying to do is to stamp out social fraud and illegal working.

Assume you are talking about if someone loses a joband can't find one withine three months? You could not react alone though, so all those Irish in the UK would be in the same position I assume?

Belly_Dancer · 05-07-2011 01:08AM

Charity begins at home, especially in these tough economic times.
Those Eastern Europeans who are/were eager to work left Ireland long ago.
Those that remain are either the few who are fortunate to still have a job, or those who are enjoying our overly generous SW system.

It's time we got real.

OPENROAD · 05-07-2011 01:10AM

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

Charity begins at home, especially in these tough economic times.
Those Eastern Europeans who are/were eager to work left Ireland long ago.
Those that remain are either the few who are fortunate to still have a job, or those who are enjoying our overly generous SW system.

It's time we got real.

You have no problem though if they have a job or come over and get a job?

Holland set to boot out Polish immigrants who can't find work after 3 months.

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