Holland set to boot out Polish immigrants who can't find work after 3 months.

softmee

katiebelle wrote: »

My niece rented an apartment and did have to pay her bills same as anyone else.
If some educated people did not leave then they were able to have a normal life in Poland but somehow you were not ?? Ok You certainly don't seem to have job satisfaction here though. There are lots of Polish people here using their degrees and education here you know. I worked under one. Its not a problem across all the polish community. One of my doctors is Polish.

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said at any stage that polish people should not be entitled to support. I don't believe that at all. Nor do I believe that Holland should deport people after 3 months of unemployment. I have polish friends who have been here 8 years. If they lost their job then they should not be deported . They have their lives here. Many people do however milk the system and that's what I have a problem with. That's people of all nationalities including Irish people . You yourself admitted polish people do this but they are in the minority. I did not suggest this you did. I have many polish friends I have no problem with the Polish community here.

So what you are trying to proof by saying its so lovely in Poland according to your niece?You said yourself it was kind of holidays for her. Of course costs of living are cheaper, but not that cheap that you can have a normal life for 300eu per month! Maybe I wasnt able to live there because I was only just over 20 years old and I had no father and my mum couldnt help me either? Its easy to go there with few euros in your pocket and say life is cheap but its compelety different story if you have to earn some money there. Your niece would't be so happy if she would have to- belive me.
Also part of my post about uneducated boss was about my first two years in Ireland.

My friend moved back to Poland after living here with her husband for 3 years. She is a dietitian with a degree from good university. She found job after one year of looking and she earns about 400eu a month -she is responsible for the food in the big hospital!!! If she wouldnt have apartment bought by her parents some time ago, she said she wouldnt make it and she would come back here.
There are wealthy people in Poland like everywhere, but the average standard of living is much lower. You can buy a car here for your monthly wages. The same car would not only cost more in Poland but also there are very few people who would buy it for only montlhy wage.

deisedave

Chinasea wrote: »

So when are we going to take the millions of Irish back - let's see our population is booming at a ridicules rate, we have truly mucked the whole country up, our attitude still seems to belong to the Ku Klux Klan judging by the majority of posts on this thread, we suffer from complete blindness and downright ignorance as we head back off in our thousands flooding the UK and any other country that will have us again with begging cap in hand.

Ffs this thread is about people emigrating and claiming social welfare and not learning the local language :rolleyes: Polish people are still welcome to work in Holland also Irish people speak English and would not move to the UK for there social welfare. So how does us heading to the UK to work, where we speak the language have anything to do with some Polish people going to Holland not knowing the language or working.

Helix

Chinasea wrote: »

So when are we going to take the millions of Irish back - let's see our population is booming at a ridicules rate, we have truly mucked the whole country up, our attitude still seems to belong to the Ku Klux Klan judging by the majority of posts on this thread, we suffer from complete blindness and downright ignorance as we head back off in our thousands flooding the UK and any other country that will have us again with begging cap in hand.

thats not the point of it at all

i emigrated to canada a couple of years ago. i dont get any welfare if im out of work because i havent been here long enough or paid enough taxes to qualify. im fine with that. it should be the same in every country in the world. you shouldnt get any form of welfare without having first put in the time and money to deserve it, whatever country you're from or whatever country you're living in

softmee

Helix wrote: »

thats not the point of it at all

i emigrated to canada a couple of years ago. i dont get any welfare if im out of work because i havent been here long enough or paid enough taxes to qualify. im fine with that. it should be the same in every country in the world. you shouldnt get any form of welfare without having first put in the time and money to deserve it, whatever country you're from or whatever country you're living in

-and this is the way it is here in Ireland. You have to work 2 years I think to be entitled to any social payments!

Mike 1972

Helix wrote: »

if you dont pay tax in a country then theres absolutely no reason for you to get welfare from them, its simple

You are complaining about a problem that doesnt exist.

EU citizens (other than irish/UK) cant just walk into the country and claim Jobseekers benefits. They have to be in Ireland for >3 years or making the appropriate PRSI contributions.

wolf moon

generally speaking, someone who is caught and proven social welfare fraud should be banned from the country for life.*

kicking out of eu citizens /regardless of nationality/ unable to find employment within 3 months is ridiculous.




* what needs to be done with thousands of pyjama-wearing and dole-sponging irish scumbags is yet to be discussed.

aligator_am

My brother moved to Norway about 9 years ago and it was mandatory that he learn Norwegian, I think his employer subsidised it.

I'm not sure if his employer stipulated that he had to learn the language or if that's one of Norway's imigration laws.

He attended night classes and became fluent after a couple of years, but I think it's a good approach.
It may work here if there were incentives for employers but the downside to that is you would likely have employers simply hiring mostly non English speakers to maximise any attached benefits.

softmee

Speaking about language I can also add, that when I was living in Germany for a year my employer send me to free german classes - twice a week for one and half hour. When I came here I was asking around and there was nothing like this provided by anyone. I think its a pity, it would be great help for many.

Nodin

softmee wrote: »

Speaking about language I can also add, that when I was living in Germany for a year my employer send me to free german classes - twice a week for one and half hour. When I came here I was asking around and there was nothing like this provided by anyone. I think its a pity, it would be great help for many.

That would require an entire mentality that is absent from - and indeed alien to - most Irish employers.

softmee

Nodin wrote: »

That would require an entire mentality that is absent from - and indeed alien to - most Irish employers.

It was actually provided by German government I think, but I know employers do it too sometimes in different countries.

edgecutter

Helix wrote: »

thats not the point of it at all

i emigrated to canada a couple of years ago. i dont get any welfare if im out of work because i havent been here long enough or paid enough taxes to qualify. im fine with that. it should be the same in every country in the world. you shouldnt get any form of welfare without having first put in the time and money to deserve it, whatever country you're from or whatever country you're living in

Spot on.

softmee

I think there is no country where you can come and get social benefits just like that at the start!

Nodin

softmee wrote: »

I think there is no country where you can come and get social benefits just like that at the start!

.....I'd be amazed if there was. However I'd imagine that in different langauges in different fora all over the internet, people are claiming that theres is such a place and asking why those Irish bastards get free cars for being drunk.

aligator_am

Nodin wrote: »

.....I'd be amazed if there was. However I'd imagine that in different langauges in different fora all over the internet, people are claiming that theres is such a place and asking why those Irish bastards get free cars for being drunk.

You mean TDs? :P

mattjack

softmee wrote: »

Speaking about language I can also add, that when I was living in Germany for a year my employer send me to free german classes - twice a week for one and half hour. When I came here I was asking around and there was nothing like this provided by anyone. I think its a pity, it would be great help for many.

Hi Softmee...
Thats not entirely true,I am aware of a couple of employers who for immigrant workers to learn to learn and I know a Polish man here on a CE scheme who learning English being paid for by Fas and he,s quite happy to show anyone all the various fetac courses etc to anyone who asks about them ..all eleven at last count...all paid for by Fas.
Think about what you said "When I came here , I asked around......."..what employer in thier right mind is going to provide language courses for you from the minute you arrive,at the very least make an effort yourself.

softmee

mattjack wrote: »

Hi Softmee...
Thats not entirely true,I am aware of a couple of employers who for immigrant workers to learn to learn and I know a Polish man here on a CE scheme who learning English being paid for by Fas and he,s quite happy to show anyone all the various fetac courses etc to anyone who asks about them ..all eleven at last count...all paid for by Fas.
Think about what you said "When I came here , I asked around......."..what employer in thier right mind is going to provide language courses for you from the minute you arrive,at the very least make an effort yourself.

Hi mattjack, I wasnt thinking about courses paid by employers and yes I did ask around. When I've lost job about two years ago I registered with fas and went to meet someone there to help me with cv etc. The person I talked to said there is only one free english (not provided by fas, but some other institution -its on Augustin Str in Galway) I went there and talked to some man, he said that after talking with me 3 minutes he can tell i wont learn anything there as this course was only for begginers.
I was also doing some fas and fetac courses and I was checking often and looking for english for some time, but there was none unfortunately.

Belly_Dancer

I have absolutely no problem with Poles, Lithuanians, Nigerians or whoever coming here to work and pay taxes, however I (and the majority of posters here it seems) are more than a little peed-off with foreign spongers who contribute little or nothing and who are a drain on the system.
We cannot afford them, and even if we could they still should be deported, if after say 6 months they cannot find work and/or do not have the means to support themselves.

In fact they should never have been allowed entry in the first place without a valid job offer, and for a job for which there is no suitable Irish person available.

Canada and Australia run proper such systems, so why cant we?

Sonnenblumen

First Dutch Elm, now Dutch Pole?:eek:

Clareboy

Delighted to hear that the Dutch are doing something to protect their labour market and keep out welfare tourists. Its about time that we did something similar in this country.

LighterGuy

Mena wrote: »

That's the attitude that got Ireland to its present state I imagine.

(I am not directing this post to you... but the the mentality of that "attitude")

So what exactly is that mentality?
I mean, dont people in life have an attitude of take what they can get? especially if they can get away with it?

When it comes to downloading - sure, thats "different" .... when it comes to paying someone a nixer to do a job around the house (carpentry, plumbing etc) sure its ok ... they got the job cheaper. What about buying black market goods? ... thats ok. they got it cheaper.

So what exactly is that mentality?
IMO, having that "mentality" is a contradiction or a better word, hypocrissy... "How dare other people scam/steal/fraud/take what they get ... but when I do it? .. sure thats different"

mattjack

softmee wrote: »

Hi mattjack, I wasnt thinking about courses paid by employers and yes I did ask around. When I've lost job about two years ago I registered with fas and went to meet someone there to help me with cv etc. The person I talked to said there is only one free english (not provided by fas, but some other institution -its on Augustin Str in Galway) I went there and talked to some man, he said that after talking with me 3 minutes he can tell i wont learn anything there as this course was only for begginers.
I was also doing some fas and fetac courses and I was checking often and looking for english for some time, but there was none unfortunately.

maybe I,m picking you up wrong.....were you looking for a free English course..?

efb

Could we deport the work shy Irish while we're at it???

gigino

Clareboy wrote: »

Delighted to hear that the Dutch are doing something to protect their labour market and keep out welfare tourists. Its about time that we did something similar in this country.

+1. Lets not forget part of what caused the tiger property bubble was the sudden influx of a few hundred thousand people in to this country from Poland etc during the boom ....property developers , landlords etc could'nt build enough property ...prices went mad ...attracted more polish to build the apartments.....and the rent from the apartments they occupied while building the new ones helped fuel the fire. We were one of the few european countries to let unrestricted amounts in + it backfired. Now our Irish people are emigrating.

7sr2z3fely84g5

gigino wrote: »

+1. Lets not forget part of what caused the tiger property bubble was the sudden influx of a few hundred thousand people in to this country from Poland etc during the boom ....property developers , landlords etc could'nt build enough property ...prices went mad ...attracted more polish to build the apartments.....and the rent from the apartments they occupied while building the new ones helped fuel the fire. We were one of the few european countries to let unrestricted amounts in + it backfired. Now our Irish people are emigrating.

Polish sweat and saved,the irish john and marys wanted to keep up with the jones and now whinge on radio that the big mortgage they took out on a house is the banks fault all sudden..

OPENROAD

gigino wrote: »

+1. Lets not forget part of what caused the tiger property bubble was the sudden influx of a few hundred thousand people in to this country from Poland etc during the boom ....property developers , landlords etc could'nt build enough property ...prices went mad ...attracted more polish to build the apartments.....and the rent from the apartments they occupied while building the new ones helped fuel the fire. We were one of the few european countries to let unrestricted amounts in + it backfired. Now our Irish people are emigrating.

:eek::eek:

Millicent

There's a certain irony to the fact that some here who support this idea seem to have a loose enough grip on the written form of their own language...

Faith+1

Fair play to the Dutch. They've act instead of talking sh*t as we always do.

marco_polo

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

I have absolutely no problem with Poles, Lithuanians, Nigerians or whoever coming here to work and pay taxes, however I (and the majority of posters here it seems) are more than a little peed-off with foreign spongers who contribute little or nothing and who are a drain on the system.
We cannot afford them, and even if we could they still should be deported, if after say 6 months they cannot find work and/or do not have the means to support themselves.

In fact they should never have been allowed entry in the first place without a valid job offer, and for a job for which there is no suitable Irish person available.

Canada and Australia run proper such systems, so why cant we

Eh we operate an almost identical system for non EU nationals

OPENROAD

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

I have absolutely no problem with Poles, Lithuanians, Nigerians or whoever coming here to work and pay taxes, however I (and the majority of posters here it seems) are more than a little peed-off with foreign spongers who contribute little or nothing and who are a drain on the system.
We cannot afford them, and even if we could they still should be deported, if after say 6 months they cannot find work and/or do not have the means to support themselves.

In fact they should never have been allowed entry in the first place without a valid job offer, and for a job for which there is no suitable Irish person available.

Canada and Australia run proper such systems, so why cant we?

Will be a lot of Irish getting turned away from the UK

Conor_M1990

why not just cut payments to people who are welfare cheats and who arent seeking employment doesnt matter if Polish or Irish or whatever.