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RTE Announce FTA Saorsat service

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  • #1152
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    More robust signal then.

    Came across this


  • #1153
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    All true

    Also a CP bird can spin for stabilisation and you won't notice. Only very early satellites.

    So Three on the NBS will not be getting existing HB6 Ka customers changed over to Ka-Sat for free. Not just a dish alignment but replace ODU.

    At least with CP there is no Skew.

    There are two ways to convert Linear Polarised LNB to circular.

    Ar'n't y'all glad ye didn't rush out to buy LNBs yet? :)


  • #1154
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Right, it's pissing rain here, I don't have a Ka-feedhorn attached, and neither do I have a depolariser, but still the channels are stable.

    I've set the LO in the Vu+ to 18750MHz, so a scan on 20185, 25000, 1/2, DVB-S2, QPSK (using 'Eurobird 9E' as the channel holder):

    scan.jpg

    7 TV channels scan, the rest are radio:
    ka-sat.jpg

    There are no live channels yet - all in test mode. RTÉ1NL is a proxy for TV3:
    RTE1NL.jpg

    with the TV3 EPG data:
    tv3_epg.jpg

    RTÉ2NL is a proxy for 3e:
    3e-epg.jpg


  • #1155
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    So any guess Apogee how much better signal with proper feedhorn and circular polarised?
    About 9dB more?

    What size dish and approx part of Ireland and how far of main axis of dish (i.e. where is dish actually pointed?).

    Inquiring minds like to know :)


    Great Stuff Apogee. Now I'll have to go beg some money to buy an LNBF.


  • #1156
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    The Temporary channel looks like a proxy for RTÉjr/One+1

    Temporary.jpg

    RTÉ News Now is showing a continuous ~5 min loop - note the older style graphics.
    rte_news.jpg

    RTÉ2 is showing the HD video loop (tour of Dublin) which we saw previously on DTT with the RTENL DOG
    rtetwo_nl.jpg


  • #1157
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    SR 25000 QPSK is about 50Mbps raw data. But FEC is an amazing 1/2 rather than 3/4 or 5/6 folk get on Sky...
    So about 25Mbps data, same as Terrestrial DTT Mux as forecast.
    Though DVB-S2 allows APSK and the Tooway uses APSK / ACM, if these parameters stay the same they are aiming for max robustness. You can't get more robust than QPSK and 1/2 FEC except by more EIRP.

    Now if we only knew the real spot contours with EIRP we can take rainy day and work out minimum reliable dish size. A figure of 65cm was mentioned to me. But that sounds uber robust. Still while Sky 65cm is fine from Waterford to Athlone and all of Ireland for Astra 2D, the there are one beam each on other Astras and Eurobird that in far South West and North west suggest 80cm is same margin.

    65 may be a one size fits all for edge of spot in Donegal and extreme SW.


  • #1158
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Indications of video resolutions...

    RTÉ One 528x576
    rteone_res.jpg

    RTÉ Two (HD) 1440x1080
    rtetwo-res.jpg

    TG4 528x576
    tg4-res.jpg

    RTÉNL1 528x576
    rte1nl-res.jpg

    RTÉNL2 528x576
    rtenews_res.jpg

    Temporary 469(!)x576
    rtetemp-res.jpg

    RTÉ News Now 528x576
    rtenews_res.jpg


  • #1159
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Last pics for today. Not bad for a US$25 Ka-LNB from ebay.

    High tech assembly!
    lnb1.jpg

    lnb2.jpg

    lnb3.jpg


  • #1160
    Neffa2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Neffa2


    Is there anyway of using a UK freesat box to get this and the UK channels in the same box? (Obviously, I assume you'd have to switch out of Freesat mode)? We currently get Ireland DTT through the Sony's built in MPEG4 tuner and then a freesat box separately.

    Like many, I'd love a one-box solution and I'd like to know how the "all satellite" option would compare to an Edison DTT/Sat combo.


  • #1161
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It has to be "Freesat HD" not non-HD Freesat, i.e. DVB-S2
    You need a Ka-band LNBF for Left hand Circular polarised
    If you want Freesat also, then it needs to be a box with Disqec support (you need two diseqc switches or a multiswitch for a PVR).

    You need either a larger dual/multifeed feed dish or 2nd dish.
    http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003507
    http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/saorsat-reception/


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  • #1162
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    @Apogee

    Great posts.


  • #1163
    Neffa2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Neffa2


    watty wrote: »
    It has to be "Freesat HD" not non-HD Freesat, i.e. DVB-S2
    You need a Ka-band LNBF for Left hand Circular polarised
    If you want Freesat also, then it needs to be a box with Disqec support (you need two diseqc switches or a multiswitch for a PVR).

    You need either a larger dual/multifeed feed dish or 2nd dish.
    http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003507
    http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/saorsat-reception/

    Ok, so I have a Humax Foxsat HDR and had a good 80cm dish put up when it was installed.

    So I would need another LNB on the dish and run another two cables from that to the Humax? Then I run the box in non-freesat mode? I would only have now and next, correct?


  • #1164
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    you need the dish re-aligned to point at 19E or 16E and offset the LNBFs for 28E and 9E. It's more likely that 16E is better for 9E but poor for 28E in North west/Southwest. As you offset an LNB the signal is poorer.

    You need an LNBF for 9E which isn't generally available. Ka-Band 20.185GHz Left Circular. Also any feed horn may not suit your dish if it's for a custom system.

    You need 2x Diseqc switches at dish(es). No extra cables back to Set-box.

    You need a sat splitter to feed 2 x Disqec switches from 9E LNBF.

    The Terrestrial Freeview HD gear can do full EPG. It's possible the Humax HD PVR might have full EPG. It's less likely the Series Link will work, but you never know. RTE are not transmitting Series link yet.

    It's possible the MHEG5 Interactive may work.

    There is also a channel editor Addon for Humax.

    This is NOT an official service, YET. Other than for experimental purposes like Apogee's excellent work, you are not wise to spend any time or money till the serivce is official and there are final specs.


  • #1165
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    The Cush wrote: »
    @Apogee

    Great posts.

    No worries. It's been a long time coming. But I was really looking forward to semper fidelis gracing us with his presence :D
    semper fidelis wrote: »
    Does anybody seriously think that for the paltry few thousand subscribers involved in Ireland that Eutelsat are going to waste design time and dollars on producing a special arrangement (if it were possible) so that a few guys in Ireland could get free to air tv


  • #1166
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Apogee wrote: »
    No worries. It's been a long time coming. But I was really looking forward to semper fidelis gracing us with his presence :D

    Oh yes. He who knows all. I did wonder about him today actually.


  • #1167
    Kotek Besar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    Oh yes. He who knows all. I did wonder about him today actually.

    Sometimes I think about you Minstrel. Usually when I'm in the shower.


  • #1168
    dbcool
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭dbcool


    HI GUYS

    right

    i have a td 110 and i bought a tooway ka band lnd in prep for this - however the first this is that my tm 6800 will not let me use the 20185 transponder - saying invalid frequency - what receiver are you using?

    do you hink the tooway ka band lnb will work?


  • #1169
    tmcw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭tmcw


    Very nice to see this running, thanks for sharing the info.

    Just a quick question; I was looking at Ka-LNBs (not thinking of buying yet, just curiosity), and they seem to be quite large, a feedhorn and a big box attached. Are they likely to get smaller, or are there solutions that might have the box connected behind the dish? I'm just thinking that a Ka-LNB (from what I've seen), along with, maybe 3 other LNBs would be heavy on the end of a dish arm. I know things generally get reduced in size, like the LNB on my Sky dish (an old Grundig) is massive compared to the titchy LNBs I see on new dishes now, but how long did that take?


  • #1170
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    @dbcool *Any* DVB-S2 HD receiver will do. You just might have to do some sums!

    Firstly, check if you can setup a user-defined LNB in Technomate (may be under Antenna Installation). You will have option under one of the headings to change the LO (Local Oscillator) - set this to 18750MHz. When you then go to do a scan, you should be able to enter a frequency of 20185MHz.

    If you can't setup a user-defined LNB (you should be able to!), then cheat. Pretend you're using a Universal LNBF. 20185 - 18750 + 9750 = 11185MHz - scan that frequency with SR 25000, FEC 1/2, QPSK, DVB-S2.

    Please post pics of your dish and LNB/F if it works!


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  • #1171
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    Sometimes I think about you Minstrel. Usually when I'm in the shower.

    Durrrrty


  • #1172
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hmm, interesting. :)

    What this does show though is that it's obviously not using the same TS as Saorview.


  • #1173
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,311 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Apogee wrote: »
    @dbcool *Any* DVB-S2 HD receiver will do. You just might have to do some sums!

    Firstly, check if you can setup a user-defined LNB in Technomate (may be under Antenna Installation). You will have option under one of the headings to change the LO (Local Oscillator) - set this to 18750MHz. When you then go to do a scan, you should be able to enter a frequency of 20185MHz.

    If you can't setup a user-defined LNB (you should be able to!), then cheat. Pretend you're using a Universal LNBF. 20185 - 18750 + 9750 = 11185MHz - scan that frequency with SR 25000, FEC 1/2, QPSK, DVB-S2.

    Please post pics of your dish and LNB/F if it works!

    Sorry folks but im genuinely interested in trying this - but i need to know - where can i get a suitable LNB? - i have a spare dish and several Universal LNB's which are obviously incorrect for this - can you let me know please.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #1174
    KeepTheFaith
    Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭KeepTheFaith


    Perhaps a silly question from a novice here. I read that several games are being shown in HD over the weekend. I have an LG Tv which is picking up the Digital Channels, is this enough to watch them in HD or do I need anything else? Will it just change to HD or will a seperate channel appear? Apologies if any of that sounds stupid.


  • #1175
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    KeepTheFaith wrote: »
    Perhaps a silly question from a novice here. I read that several games are being shown in HD over the weekend. I have an LG Tv which is picking up the Digital Channels, is this enough to watch them in HD or do I need anything else? Will it just change to HD or will a seperate channel appear? Apologies if any of that sounds stupid.

    RTÉ Two on Saorview is already in HD, it just upscales programmes at the moment. If you can get it now on Saorview then you're set, nothing else is needed.


  • #1176
    KeepTheFaith
    Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭KeepTheFaith


    Karsini wrote: »
    RTÉ Two on Saorview is already in HD, it just upscales programmes at the moment. If you can get it now on Saorview then you're set, nothing else is needed.

    Ah very good, that will be interesting. Thanks for clearing that up!


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  • #1177
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Karsini wrote: »
    Hmm, interesting. :)

    What this does show though is that it's obviously not using the same TS as Saorview.

    Because they are testing?

    They can put ANYTHING on it.


  • #1178
    psycho-hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,245 ✭✭✭psycho-hope


    Hi guys is there anyway to get RTE on an old sky box that you have taken the card out of, can get all the other FTA channels but not RTE
    thanks


  • #1179
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No. There is no method to get RTE on a Sky box other than a Subscription.

    That's why RTE NL has just spent €80M building a Terrestrial Network and is renting space on Ka-Sat.
    www.saortv.info
    www.saorview.ie


  • #1180
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    psycho-hope wrote: »
    Hi guys is there anyway to get RTE on an old sky box that you have taken the card out of, can get all the other FTA channels but not RTE
    thanks
    Short answer: No.
    Longer answer: RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 are encrypted on the Sky service and there are no plans for this to change.

    Edit:Watty beat me to it. Again!


  • #1181
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,610 ✭✭✭eigrod


    watty wrote: »
    No. There is no method to get RTE on a Sky box other than a Subscription.

    That's why RTE NL has just spent €80M building a Terrestrial Network and is renting space on Ka-Sat.
    www.saortv.info
    www.saorview.ie

    I'm somewhat confused by all the info coming out from Saorview today.

    I've got a SKY subscription and obviously receive RTE1, RTE2, TV3 & TG4. Will I receive all the new additional RTE channels automatically on that SKY subscription ?


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  • #1182
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    @Healy1 - If you're looking for something along the lines of the integrated feedhorn/LNB you use with Sky (LNBF), it simply doesn't exist yet for Saorsat.

    StandardLinearLNBF10750_1.jpg

    You can source standalone Ka-LNBs ...
    lnb_ka_dro.jpg

    ... but not a suitable depolariser/feedhorn which attaches to above - wrong waveguide interface.
    HNFEED_74P_Ka-1.jpg


    You can get various half measures if you're interested in messing about, but none of them is really suitable for long term use for most people.


  • #1183
    Mr McBoatface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    eigrod wrote: »
    I'm somewhat confused by all the info coming out from Saorview today.

    I've got a SKY subscription and obviously receive RTE1, RTE2, TV3 & TG4. Will I receive all the new additional RTE channels automatically on that SKY subscription ?

    Under legislation the channels will be made available to Sky and UPC, however it's is purely up to them if they want to carry them or not, they are not obliged to show them.


  • #1184
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    So any guess Apogee how much better signal with proper feedhorn and circular polarised?

    Should be a lot better. I lashed it up very quickly (it was pouring) but even in driving rain, the picture was stable. Signal is very robust.
    What size dish and approx part of Ireland and how far of main axis of dish (i.e. where is dish actually pointed?).

    Dish is 1.4m. Ka-LNB is 4/5 degrees off centre. South West.


  • #1185
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    jobyrne30 wrote: »
    Under legislation the channels will be made available to Sky and UPC, however it's is purely up to them if they want to carry them or not, they are not obliged to show them.

    The Market will probably demand they show them with RTÉ 2 HD being the big selling point, however if Sky will devote that much space to a HD channel is another thing, especially considering the size of the Irish market in comparison to the UK one, and how much better value they could get using the slot for a new HD channel in the UK instead.

    Freesat and FTA boxes are beginning to hurt Sky in Ireland as more people drop Sky and go FTA instead, Sky's decision to carry BBC3 and BBC4 on the ROI EPG recently is evidence of this.


  • #1186
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Apogee wrote: »
    Should be a lot better. I lashed it up very quickly (it was pouring) but even in driving rain, the picture was stable. Signal is very robust.



    Dish is 1.4m. Ka-LNB is 4/5 degrees off centre. South West.

    Where abouts in Ireland are you located Apogee ?

    I'm in Newtownabbey and was wondering what size of dish I'll need, although, hopefully, Saorview should be OK here when Clermont Cairn's power is turned up after ASO (end of next year maybe ?).


  • #1187
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Apogee wrote: »
    @Healy1 - If you're looking for something along the lines of the integrated feedhorn/LNB you use with Sky (LNBF), it simply doesn't exist yet for Saorsat.

    I'm reliably informed by a knowledgeable source that suitable domestic LNBFs specifically produced for Saorsat will be available. I suspect RTE will not "launch" Saorsat as public service until they are. So they may deliberately keep test loops on it for now.


  • #1188
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    Where abouts in Ireland are you located Apogee ?

    I'm in Newtownabbey and was wondering what size of dish I'll need, although, hopefully, Saorview should be OK here when Clermont Cairn's power is turned up after ASO (end of next year maybe ?).

    Ballycastle is worst. Newtownabbey should be no worse than Malin Head Donegal, which needs 100% coverage on a reasonable size dish. The map is very distorted, so it's not too obvious!

    120204.png
    The coloured spots are NOT sharp. In normal terms the "real" usable coverage for a normal dish is about x2 diameter or x4 area. Even on Ka spots are not THAT small. But the vertical red line shows limit due to interference from identical French spot (likely not even as far as that red line). The smaller short red line near Scotland is my estimation of 110cm to 120cm limit


  • #1189
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    I'm reliably informed by a knowledgeable source that suitable domestic LNBFs specifically produced for Saorsat will be available. I suspect RTE will not "launch" Saorsat as public service until they are. So they may deliberately keep test loops on it for now.

    Sure it's in Eutelsat's interests if nothing else to push manufacturers in making suitable LNBFs - Ireland offers them a showcase for other countries/regions in Europe who would seek to avoid encryption charges for localised programming.


  • #1190
    PressTheButton
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭PressTheButton


    The Cush wrote: »
    @Apogee

    Great posts.
    + 1.

    Whence 'Apogee':

    whenceapogee.png

    Appropriate on both counts don't you think?


  • #1191
    Betsy Og
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Betsy Og


    From looking at that map picture above, is it safe to conclude that Saorsat will be of no use to get free RTE when outside Ireland?

    So they only way to get RTE outside Ireland will be a Sky subscription?

    If so then why all the fuss, wont 99% of the country be on a simple aerial anyway.

    I travel to UK & France a bit so free RTE abroad I would love.


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  • #1192
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    Betsy Og wrote: »
    From looking at that map picture above, is it safe to conclude that Saorsat will be of no use to get free RTE when outside Ireland?

    So they only way to get RTE outside Ireland will be a Sky subscription?

    If so then why all the fuss, wont 99% of the country be on a simple aerial anyway.

    I travel to UK & France a bit so free RTE abroad I would love.


    Strangely Betsy, when I was in Lazerote last year, one of the English speaking local radio stations on the island was advertising a local aerial firm who were able to provide BBC, ITV, etc. along with RTE through an aerial (not a dish) for expat residents. How they did this and what RTE services were provided I have no idea.

    I diid notice some quite enormous dishes (severel metres in size) in the back gardens of some of the properties in Playa Blanca.

    You could try something like a slingbox maybe ?


  • #1193
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Mr. Rabbit wrote: »
    Strangely Betsy, when I was in Lazerote last year, one of the English speaking local radio stations on the island was advertising a local aerial firm who were able to provide BBC, ITV, etc. along with RTE through an aerial (not a dish) for expat residents. How they did this and what RTE services were provided I have no idea.
    Probably using a video sender on the back of a sky box :P

    UPC do the same, more or less


  • #1194
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Saorsat can only exist BECAUSE it can't be received outside Ireland. Or at least eventually won't be. Or not very far outside!
    Betsy Og wrote: »
    From looking at that map picture above, is it safe to conclude that Saorsat will be of no use to get free RTE when outside Ireland?

    So they only way to get RTE outside Ireland will be a Sky subscription?

    If so then why all the fuss, wont 99% of the country be on a simple aerial anyway.

    I travel to UK & France a bit so free RTE abroad I would love.

    Technically Sky are obligated to kill your card if they know you are outside Ireland as it's a condition of their contracts with TG4, TV3 and RTE that the transmission is securely encrypted and only to Irish addresses.

    The Satellite service is for the 2% to 5% who won't get it by Aerial. Perhaps over 20,000 households is the market. Also the service is backup feed for all DTT sites and primary feed for any future self help Community DTT schemes.

    As you move away from UK & Ireland the dish size even for Astra 2D gets dramatically larger. 44cm is enough in London (0.44m) and 2.5m may not be enough in Southern Italy.

    RTE is supposed to be running an International Service. But the Government has not yet released funding. Since the Government has NOT funded DTT or Saorsat, RTE quite reasonably thinks any service for people OUTSIDE Ireland should be directly funded, like DW is.

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,,12680,00.html


  • #1195
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    watty wrote: »
    RTE is supposed to be running an International Service. But the Government has not yet released funding. Since the Government has funded DTT or Saorsat, RTE quite reasonably thinks any service for people OUTSIDE Ireland should be directly funded, like DW is.

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,,12680,00.html
    I thought the Govt. didn't contribute anything to DTT?


  • #1196
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Thanks. Typo


  • #1197
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Are they testing this?

    http://www.lyngsat.com/eka.html

    Is RTE Broadcasting now? Where can one get LNB's that work? Can someone import a couple?

    Has anyone picked it up? It is circular polarisation rather than the usual horizontal/vertical?


  • #1198
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Are they testing this?

    http://www.lyngsat.com/eka.html

    Is RTE Broadcasting now? Where can one get LNB's that work? Can someone import a couple?

    Has anyone picked it up? It is circular polarisation rather than the usual horizontal/vertical?

    Yes, it's true.

    It's currently only pre-encoded test loop (a PC can play that back for entire carrier/Transponder).

    Yes. At least three reports.

    Apogee
    chputney
    Gerry Walsh

    see also http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=72446010#post72446010
    And http://www.techtir.ie/blogs/watty/rte-kasat-tests

    It's Left hand circular polarised @ 20.185GHz.

    Suitable LNBFs will be available really soon. Current LNB options are awkward and expensive.


  • #1199
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Market will probably demand they show them with RTÉ 2 HD being the big selling point, however if Sky will devote that much space to a HD channel is another thing, especially considering the size of the Irish market in comparison to the UK one, and how much better value they could get using the slot for a new HD channel in the UK instead.

    Freesat and FTA boxes are beginning to hurt Sky in Ireland as more people drop Sky and go FTA instead, Sky's decision to carry BBC3 and BBC4 on the ROI EPG recently is evidence of this.

    I'd imagine there will be high demand for RTE2 HD with a lot of Irish sport in HD. Remember RTE 2 is the second most watched channel on Sky.

    So if they don't have HD, then Sky might start losing customers to DTT, special when people start releasing how many free channels thy can get on Freesat.

    So I'm certain SKY will add RTE2 HD as soon as they can. As for bandwidth space, it shouldn't be an issue, they have plenty of space for encrypted channels. It is the unencrypted HD Freesat channels that have space limitations.

    Watty, might another target users for Saorsat be people who want an easy to use (full EPG on one box) Freesat + Saorsat service?

    Is it not more likely then a easy to use Freesat HD/Saorview combi box?


  • #1200
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    RTE is supposed to be running an International Service

    Once upon a time there was Tara television !


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  • #1201
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    and 2.5m may not be enough in Southern Italy.

    My brother has Freesat in his apartment in Portugal. I must ask him what size of dish he's using.


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