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N24 Limerick-Waterford upgrade

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Typical objectors , but the funniest had to be the N 8 action group also known as NAG...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Council urged to stop planning new bypass route until country returns to good times

    Published Date: 24 November 2010
    By Aileen Hahesy

    A member of Carrick-on-Suir Town Council has appealed to the Co. Council to halt its plans to design a new bypass route for Carrick-on-Suir until the country has the money again to build such roads.

    Fianna Fail Cllr Sylvia Cooney-Sheehan has lodged a submission with South Tipperary Co. Council urging it to stop the process now underway to confirm a new preferred route corridor for the proposed bypass.

    The new preferred route corridor being proposed by the Co. Council replicates the old one along substantial sections of the western half of the scheme but bypasses Carrick-on-Suir on a wider arc to the north of the town and extends into Co. Kilkenny, which the previous preferred route corridor didn't.

    Cllr Cooney-Sheehan said in the current economic climate the Government hadn't enough funds to build this bypass and she doesn't believe finance for the project will be forthcoming for 15 to 20 years.

    In view of this, she said it was not right that land along the new preferred route the Council was now proposing should be "sterilised" for years to come, namely that no new development can take place on this land. It wasn't fair on the owners of this property, who might want to sell a site, she argued.

    "During the Celtic Tiger years, we didn't get a bypass built and we certainly won't get it built in the recovery period for our economy," the maverick FF councillor said.

    She said the land along the original preferred bypass route has been "sterilised" for development for the past eight years and now it was a case of that restriction being lifted. Landowners along this route corridor had missed out on an opportunity to sell sites on their properties at the height of the property boom because of this "sterilisation" of their land and now it was being "handed back to them" as the bypass was no longer going to be built through their lands.

    She didn't want the same thing to happen with property owners along the new preferred route corridor when there was little prospect of this road being built in the next few years.

    Cllr Cooney-Sheehan lodged her submission to the Council as part of its public consultation process on the new preferred bypass route corridor.

    A campaign of opposition to the preferred bypass route was launched at a public meeting in Carrick-on-Suir two weeks ago.

    Members of the public concerned about the new preferred route corridor being proposed were urged at that meeting to lodge objections to South Tipperary Co. Council. The closing date for submissions was Monday.

    Meanwhile, at this month's meeting of Carrick-on-Suir Town Council, Cllr Cooney-Sheehan asked for clarification from Council management about a statement made at the Council's public consultation forum that the Town Council had recommended the preferred route be moved out further from the town.

    She pointed out that as far as she could recall, the elected Council as a collective body never made such a recommendation.

    Mr O'Brien responded that this wasn't the forum to discuss the bypass.
    Cllr Sheehan-Cooney said it was very unfair of the Town Clerk not to answer this question. "If we can't ask it at this forum as we are the elected representatives. where can we ask it? I think it's a very sad day," she concluded.

    South Tipperary Co. Council's Director of Roads Billy McEvoy said the Council would take all submissions on the proposed preferred route corridor into account before drawing up its final draft report for the Co. Council.
    http://www.nationalist.ie/carrickonsuir/Council-urged-to-stop-planning.6638144.jp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    Furet wrote: »

    unreal - this land HAS TO BE RESERVED for the future bypass. otherwise we will end up with more urban sprawl into the surrounding countryside, and an even larger detour.

    Don;t these councillors ever get it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Bards wrote: »
    unreal - this land HAS TO BE RESERVED for the future bypass. otherwise we will end up with more urban sprawl into the surrounding countryside, and an even larger detour.

    Don;t these councillors ever get it?

    Was that a rhetorical question? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Here's that counsellor's webpage. You can email her from there. I did. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    It wasn't fair on the owners of this property, who might want to sell a site, she argued.

    Good on ye Fianna Fail - still looking after farmers hoping to sell "a bit of an oul' site" - only problem is we have more than a quarter of a million spare houses and enough land zoned to house 10 million or so.

    Oh yeah, and we're bust.

    And well done on learning the lessons of what caused our collapse too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Talks Begin on Revised Plan for Carrick-on-Suir Bypass

    By Frank McDonald

    SOUTH TIPPERARY County Council is engaged in a new round of public consultation on revised plans for a 17km dual-carriageway bypass of Carrick-on-Suir, on the N24 between Waterford and Limerick.

    The latest scheme, which is being promoted in partnership with the National Roads Authority, has run into opposition from farmers in the area because of the large “land-take” needed for the new route and its environmental impact.

    An earlier proposal for a wide single-carriageway bypass was dropped in 2008 due to “an NRA requirement to ensure that the route can be constructed to dual-carriageway standard” to take account of “increased levels of development and traffic”, the council said.

    The existing road is described as a single-carriageway with hard shoulders of varying widths. “Safe overtaking opportunities are heavily restricted due to the alignment, the number of junctions and private accesses and the volume of oncoming traffic during peak periods.”

    But one of the objectors – Eoghan McGrath, of Killonerry, near Carrick-on-Suir – said no accurate, up-to-date traffic count had been carried out to justify a dual-carriageway, and it was “breathtakingly absurd” to suggest that it could ever be justified by growth and development.

    “The NRA’s own network of automatic roadside counters shows traffic has fallen 7 per cent over the last two years. This downward trend is accelerating, with a 4.3 per cent drop in the last 12 months compounding a 2.6 per cent fall the previous year,” he said.

    In his submission to the council, Mr McGrath complained that Killonerry itself would be cut in half by the “emerging preferred route” for the new road even though the townland’s integrity had been “maintained through many centuries of hardship and oppression”.

    He said Killonerry is a popular route for walkers from Carrick-on-Suir, horseriding from local equestrian centres and a jogging route for athletes from the Seán Kelly centre as well as being a habitat for protected species such as barn owl, corncrake and kingfisher.

    The proposed dual-carriageway would branch off the N76 and run north of the existing N24, passing Ballydine Crossroads and Ballinderry, gradually turning northeastwards between Deerpark and Ballynagrana to avoid the built up areas of Carrick-on-Suir.

    The route would then cross the R696, the Glen river, the R696 and the Linguan river in turn as it passes north of the town. The route finally turns back eastwards to join with the existing N24 east of Carrick-on-Suir.

    The county council said route options were “assessed under criteria of safety, economy, environment, accessibility, social inclusion and integration”.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1228/1224286364519.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    Furet wrote: »

    Would this be type 1 or type 2 dual-carriageway?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    While Type 1 should be considered from Limerick to W of Tipp town and also Waterford (or M9 terminus) to E of Clonmel all the rest of this route should be no more than Type 2 including the bypasses of Clonmel and Tipperary towns themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Its never going to be built anyway so it makes no difference what type carrigeway it will be, sure it was originally planned to have dual carrigeway from J10@M8 to Rathkeevin, which is a very busy road until the locals objected and in its place we only got a 2+1 from J10 to the existing road, its backwards the N24 is going , they have improved the existing road a lot in the last year so therefore they have an excuse not to go ahead with any new projects on it..Half of the problem with the road is local traffic crawling along the road at 60/70/80KM and never using the hard shoulder to let following traffic overtake, Its the one road i use were im continuously overtaking... Tipp Town, the people would want to cop on and refuse to pay their car tax..I honestly will put my hand on my heart and say the Tipp bypass will not be built till at least 2025/2030. sure why would we want a decent road between Munsters second and third cities!!!!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    charlemont wrote: »
    Tipp Town, the people would want to cop on and refuse to pay their car tax..I honestly will put my hand on my heart and say the Tipp bypass will not be built till at least 2025/2030. sure why would we want a decent road between Munsters second and third cities!!!!

    It seems that "they" who are conspiring to avoid building a new road by improving the existing one are merely responding to the locals desires.

    Not much point blaming a faceless (and moneyless) "them" when the various objectors seem very happy to be named!

    Clearly the people of Tipp aren't too excited by the prospect of a "decent road between Munsters second and third cities" :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    While Type 1 should be considered from Limerick to W of Tipp town and also Waterford (or M9 terminus) to E of Clonmel all the rest of this route should be no more than Type 2 including the bypasses of Clonmel and Tipperary towns themselves.

    So the Carrick bypass will actually be type 1 then. I'm getting used to the media being horribly wrong on these things, like a "motorway from Adare to Abbeyfeale" and the like.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Adro947 wrote: »
    So the Carrick bypass will actually be type 1 then. I'm getting used to the media being horribly wrong on these things, like a "motorway from Adare to Abbeyfeale" and the like.

    Don't know, but if a WS2 was deemed sufficient in 2003 I cannot see how a Type 1 is justifiable today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Carrick bypass will be type 2. The only type 1 that might be built would be from Pallasgreen to Ballysimon and from Mooncoin to Waterford, but I expect type 2 there as well.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Don't know, but if a WS2 was deemed sufficient in 2003 I cannot see how a Type 1 is justifiable today.

    We can't plan roads/infrastructure based on the assumption that this year's economy will last for 30 years. That was the mistake we made in the 1980s.

    The McDonald article (as always) managed to find a raft of objectors but not a single local person willing to support the road. And I wager he didn't seek out a balance of views. This isn't professional journalism.

    If McDonald wants to parade his ignorance he should use sites like this - not be given a blank check to campaign for his political views in the news pages of the execrable "Paper of Record". :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Does anyone know what kind of road works are going on between Clonmel and Cahir?

    The road is closed, and you get diverted to New Inn and back down the old N8. I normally use that road to get to Limerick( New Inn - Golden - Tipp Town) but with the extra traffic its taking much longer( some people driving between 25 and 40 mph depending on if there is a car coming against them or not )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    It's annoying alright. I think they are taking out a bad bend about 1km to the Cahir side of the apple farm, but I'm not sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Irish and Proud


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    We can't plan roads/infrastructure based on the assumption that this year's economy will last for 30 years. That was the mistake we made in the 1980s.

    The McDonald article (as always) managed to find a raft of objectors but not a single local person willing to support the road. And I wager he didn't seek out a balance of views. This isn't professional journalism.

    If McDonald wants to parade his ignorance he should use sites like this - not be given a blank check to campaign for his political views in the news pages of the execrable "Paper of Record". :mad:

    IMO, Frank McDonald is a hardcore anti-car journalist! How does he get away with all the rubbish he writes - he has being doing it since at least the early 1990's if not earlier - surely, this guy should be challenged on his (IMO slanted) views??? :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Bards


    Boscoirl wrote: »
    Does anyone know what kind of road works are going on between Clonmel and Cahir?

    The road is closed, and you get diverted to New Inn and back down the old N8. I normally use that road to get to Limerick( New Inn - Golden - Tipp Town) but with the extra traffic its taking much longer( some people driving between 25 and 40 mph depending on if there is a car coming against them or not )

    N24 Clonmel/Cahir Rd is closed at Rathmore until Fri 28th Jan for works

    from http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/AA-Roadwatch.aspx


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Bards wrote: »
    N24 Clonmel/Cahir Rd is closed at Rathmore until Fri 28th Jan for works

    from http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/AA-Roadwatch.aspx

    I'd love to know AADT between Clonmel and Cahir. I'd estimate it at >13,000.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Thanks for the replies, if its the bend I am thinking about, it wasn't bad enough to warrant closing the road for nearly 3weeks,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Boscoirl wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies, if its the bend I am thinking about, it wasn't bad enough to warrant closing the road for nearly 3weeks,

    It was certainly bad enough that it warrants removal, but I also struggle to see how a closure of 3 weeks is necessary. I'm expecting a big improvement when it re-opens!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Mr McGrath complained that [Insert one-horse town name here] itself would be cut in half by the “emerging preferred route” for the new road even though the townland’s integrity had been “maintained through many centuries of hardship and oppression”.
    Like every township in the country, pal.
    I never heard such heartstring guff in my life.
    Tremelo wrote: »
    Carrick bypass will be type 2. The only type 1 that might be built would be from Pallasgreen to Ballysimon and from Mooncoin to Waterford, but I expect type 2 there as well.
    This is correct, it's what they've been saying all along. However I agree that Cahir-COS is the most important part all right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Someone killed on the severely over-capacity Boher to Ballysimon section of the N24 today. This section probably has an AADT in the region of 20,000.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭pooch90


    Does anyone know when the speed limit along the bypass changed from 100kmph to 60 kmph between the Cahir Road Roundabout and the 'Traffic calming' islands approaching Cashel roundabout?

    They have also installed what appears to be a speed camera on the weather station just beside the flyover.

    All very sneaky!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    pooch90 wrote: »
    Does anyone know when the speed limit along the bypass changed from 100kmph to 60 kmph between the Cahir Road Roundabout and the 'Traffic calming' islands approaching Cashel roundabout?

    They have also installed what appears to be a speed camera on the weather station just beside the flyover.

    All very sneaky!

    If they are stupid enough to have put a fixed camera there it will be "gone" within a week. There is a reason why they opted for mobile camera vans and move them every 2 hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭cml387


    pooch90 wrote: »
    Does anyone know when the speed limit along the bypass changed from 100kmph to 60 kmph between the Cahir Road Roundabout and the 'Traffic calming' islands approaching Cashel roundabout?

    They have also installed what appears to be a speed camera on the weather station just beside the flyover.

    All very sneaky!
    It's not a speed camera
    It measures visibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭pooch90


    Had a better look at it today, you're right. Not a speed camera. But point about the speed limit still stands. It's a ridiculous limit to place there. Seems the majority of people don't know it's been changed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Speed limit is only temporary till about the end of June to allow works to be carried out just at the bridge over the bypass.
    It was advertised in the papers a couple of weeks ago


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭JabbaTheHut


    I wonder will there be more of the speed camera vans seen there now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Its not on the list of locations on the Garda website.
    That wouldn't stop them though I'm sure:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Monard is a speed-trap zone now. Also the 80km section between Tipp Town and Limerick Junction. There's often a red mobile speed camera van along there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    Tremelo wrote: »
    Monard is a speed-trap zone now. Also the 80km section between Tipp Town and Limerick Junction. There's often a red mobile speed camera van along there.

    Monard has always been a speed trap zone they love it there haha


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    DaveJac wrote: »
    Monard has always been a speed trap zone they love it there haha

    Just back from Monard myself, Tried 4 petrol stations for air for tyres, Oola , Monard , both stations on Limerick road, not one of them worked right, the one at Topaz in Tipp town was real dark so couldnt see the gauge, had to stop in Mitchelstown for it..

    Im not joking but the N24 is a road that would make you scream, with people crawling and refusing to use hard shoulders...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    charlemont wrote: »

    Im not joking but the N24 is a road that would make you scream, with people crawling and refusing to use hard shoulders...

    Makes me scream on a daily basis, along with the loathsome N74. Bridge works starting on the Oola railway bridge next week I think, so even more frustrations are in order. We won't have any movement on the Pallasgreen to Cahir dual carriageway scheme until 2016 at the earliest I'd say, and even then it'll probably take 2 years to build it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    charlemont wrote: »
    Just back from Monard myself, Tried 4 petrol stations for air for tyres, Oola , Monard , both stations on Limerick road, not one of them worked right, the one at Topaz in Tipp town was real dark so couldnt see the gauge, had to stop in Mitchelstown for it..

    Im not joking but the N24 is a road that would make you scream, with people crawling and refusing to use hard shoulders...

    I used the one in monard today working grand?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    DaveJac wrote: »
    I used the one in monard today working grand?

    The gauge was al over the place when i tried it yesterday, so obviously couldnt get a correct reading from it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    charlemont wrote: »
    The gauge was al over the place when i tried it yesterday, so obviously couldnt get a correct reading from it..

    ah right i didnt really care i was pumping the tyres rock solid 60psi i think haha,

    Whats annoying me is the road up to monard village is grand road after it is grand, the road down to Sologhead is grand once you pass the hall, its shocking been years since the village was done needs something done asap


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    DaveJac wrote: »
    ah right i didnt really care i was pumping the tyres rock solid 60psi i think haha,

    Whats annoying me is the road up to monard village is grand road after it is grand, the road down to Sologhead is grand once you pass the hall, its shocking been years since the village was done needs something done asap

    That bit of road is shocking alright, the bit by the entrance to An Cúirt Monard is like something that was shelled in a war zone, The road where you take a left turn to go under the railway bridge is a disgrace, There by the bridge is actually where the Pallasgreen to Bansha road will be going if its ever built..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭Harcrid


    I'm dreading heading through Oola on the way home this evening with the roadworks due to start on the bridge. It is going to be a nightmare for the next 4 months!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Celtxx wrote: »
    I'm dreading heading through Oola on the way home this evening with the roadworks due to start on the bridge. It is going to be a nightmare for the next 4 months!

    Four months????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    Tremelo wrote: »
    Four months????

    ya 4 months, the bridge is in a fairly bad way needs major work to be brought up to a proper standard, bridge work can be akward espically on railways when you have to stop working before a train comes etc so it can be slow work too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    The bridge is nineteenth-century and completely deficient no matter what they do to it.
    You cannot polish a turd, but that is exactly what all the roadworks along the N24 in the past 12 months have been about. We need a completely new type 2 dual carriageway N24.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    couldnt agree more from limerick to waterford id say i will have plenty of grey hairs before it happens though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭DaveJac


    charlemont wrote: »
    The road where you take a left turn to go under the railway bridge is a disgrace, There by the bridge is actually where the Pallasgreen to Bansha road will be going if its ever built..

    that bit of road has always been bad, the trucks going down to the mine just tear it up, after the bridge used to be bad too until the road was done dont know why they couldnt have just done an extra few meters that time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭Harcrid


    So the bridge in Oola has been down to one lane for 2 weeks at this stage and I have yet to see any work being done. Surely if they were not ready to start they could have left it open a bit longer.

    Luckily enough I have yet to see any major delays here so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    Celtxx wrote: »
    So the bridge in Oola has been down to one lane for 2 weeks at this stage and I have yet to see any work being done. Surely if they were not ready to start they could have left it open a bit longer.

    Luckily enough I have yet to see any major delays here so far.

    It's supposed to be closed for months. What exactly are they doing to it? The two lanes on that bridge are tiny so it's hard to know what work they can do on one side that will not impact on the other side 2 feet away. If it's a major structural project I wouldn't want to be next behind a heavily loaded truck going over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    I use that bridge twice per day most days. No work has been done since the cones were put up. Maybe they've been busy painting new lines in Tipp town. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Celtxx wrote: »
    I'm dreading heading through Oola on the way home this evening with the roadworks due to start on the bridge. It is going to be a nightmare for the next 4 months!

    Drove through here today,cones are down but no work seems to have started yet.
    Who is supposed to be doing work i.e Co Co or Iarnrod Eireann ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭Harcrid


    It's been one lane for about a month now with no sign of activity. Unless they are working on the bridge structure below the road but I have not seen any evidence of that. Crazy!


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