N24 Limerick-Waterford upgrade

Amtmann

Something tells me that nothing will get done to the N24 for many years to come, but the biggest single proposal for this route involves a 28km realignment that would bypass Pallasgreen, Oola, Monard, Tipperary Town and Bansha.

South Tipperary TDs raised the matter with the Transport minister recently.

From Tipp FM news:

The necessity of a bypass for Tipperary Town has been raised by local TD Tom Hayes and Councillor Michael Fitzgerald with the Minister for Transport.

The Fine Gael politicians took the opportunity of the recent opening of the new stretch of motorway between Cashel and Cullahill to raise the issue with Minister Noel Dempsey.

Deputy Hayes says that at present , Tipperary town is being clogged up with traffic from many important routes.

He stressed that the bypass desperately needs to be prioritised by the Minister and the National Roads Authority.

http://www.tippfm.com/Tipp+by-pass+issue+raised+with+Transport+Minister/8320

Bards

It really would be great if this road went ahead. Along with the M20 would link Waterford, Carrick-on-Suir, Clonmel, Cahir, Tipp etc to Limerick & Galway

Sponge Bob

Lads.

Not before 2020 or 2021 . The following take prority for funding

N25
N20
N18
N17
N15
N11
N4 to Longford
Leinster Orbital
N2 Monaghan Border to A5
N21 Adare Bypass and N21 Castleisland Bypass

A5 in North ( Derry - Monaghan)
A8 in North

and THEN the N24 and N28

I trust I have not left anything out have I ???

Chris_533976

Agreed. This is low priority, whether it should be or not I havent thought about yet. N28 to Ringaskiddy should be a little higher up that list of priorites though.

dowlingm

Tipperary Town needs relief immediately I reckon, even if it's only a temporary solution like Mitchelstown got.

1huge1

dowlingm wrote: »

Tipperary Town needs relief immediately I reckon, even if it's only a temporary solution like Mitchelstown got.

Agreed but as for the rest of the route its not priority.

Get on with the M20!

mysterious

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Lads.

Not before 2020 or 2021 . The following take prority for funding

N25
N20
N18
N17
N15
N11
N4 to Longford
Leinster Orbital
N2 Monaghan Border to A5
N21 Adare Bypass and N21 Castleisland Bypass

A5 in North ( Derry - Monaghan)
A8 in North

and THEN the N24 and N28

I trust I have not left anything out have I ???

lol
N25 is by no means on the top. down the list...



M20
N21
N18
N17
N11
N25

Leimster orbital.

mysterious

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Agreed. This is low priority, whether it should be or not I havent thought about yet. N28 to Ringaskiddy should be a little higher up that list of priorites though.

No it shouldn't.


lay off local flag waving ****eology.

dowlingm

Playing the man and not the ball mysterious...

However any decision to expand the N28 should not come before the resolution of An Bord Pleanala's refusal to permit the relocation of the port facilities to Ringaskiddy, since depending on the final outcome - either overturn the refusal or pick an alternative site like Marino Point - the capacity outcomes will be significantly different.

Chris_533976

mysterious wrote: »

No it shouldn't.


lay off local flag waving ****eology.

FWIW I live in Galway now.

Anyway, yes it should. That section of road is nearly as dangerous as the N11 missing section and its vastly overcapacity as it is. It shouldnt be the be-all-and-end all, but it should certainly take priority over some stuff thats been/being done now.

Amtmann

The Nationalist newspaper carried a front page story today claiming that a decision will be made in January regarding the construction of an N24 bypass/realignment that would run northeast of Tipperary town.

AugustusMaximus

2+2 I'm guessing for the entire route Furet ?

Amtmann

AugustusMaximus wrote: »

2+2 I'm guessing for the entire route Furet ?

Hard to say. No EIS's have been published yet, though a route corridor has been selected. I think it was to be mostly 2+1, but that seems to have fallen out of fashion lately. Traffic volumes don't seem to rise much higher than 9,000 between Tipperary and Cahir.

I know that the reason why the N24 2+1 Cahir bypass is so far from the rest of the N24 is because the next realigned section, whenever it gets built, will tie into it there.

BluntGuy

wrote:

Tom hayes stressed that the bypass desperately needs to be prioritised by the Minister and the National Roads Authority.

I'm sorry, but this kind of comment just showcases exactly what's wrong with politics and political planning in this country.

Has he not seen the state of other roads in the country? I'm not saying the road doesn't need dealing with, but honestly: "desperately needs to be prioritised".

Amtmann

BluntGuy wrote: »

I'm sorry, but this kind of comment just showcases exactly what's wrong with politics and political planning in this country.

Has he not seen the state of other roads in the country? I'm not saying the road doesn't need dealing with, but honestly: "desperately needs to be prioritised".

I know. Awful guff altogether. Tipperary in general gives Healy-Rae country a run for its money sometimes. Still, it will be interesting to see what happens here: Martin Manseragh, who's from the area, is a junior minister, and Mattie McGrath is the second FF TD for South Tipp.

But absolutely, if one were to rank the N24 in terms of priority, it definitely wouldn't be in the top few projects in need of doing.

grenache

I've been travelling Limerick to Clonmel to work for the last two weeks and had totally forgotten just how bad the Limerick to Waterford road is, and in particular the stretch from Tipperary Town to the Clonmel by-pass. This is supposed to be a National Primary Route, yet in reality its surface and orientation make it nothing more than a National Secondary Route. Indeed, i've seen better regional roads in deepest West Limerick. I know that nationally its one of the less busier roads, but it still carries a good deal of traffic and lots of HGVs in particular. Is there any plans to upgrade the road in the near future??


*On a side note, the signage for Clonmel/Waterford while going through Tipp Town is very poor indeed. When you come to that mickey mouse excuse for a roundabout at the end of the town, there is a sign for Cashel and Cahir, but none for Clonmel (county's biggest town) or Waterford (main city in the south east region). Time to get those hands out of your pockets Tipperary SR Co Co!!

Zoney

There were theoretical plans for a number of 2+1 projects along the whole length of the N24. Now that 2+1 is dispensed with, they would probably be 2+2 (i.e. very basic dual carriageway). However, that would be *if they ever happened* which seems rather unlikely - even if funding is found for some road projects - it won't be the N24 while there is still the N20 and other more important routes to deal with.

mike65

N24 is a disgrace and on the long finger, all schemes are at "preliminary" stage according to NRA site.

Tech3

mike65 wrote: »

N24 is a disgrace and on the long finger, all schemes are at "preliminary" stage according to NRA site.

see here:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0324/1224243317036.html

the N24 has been put on the long finger offically a few months ago.

serfboard

grenache wrote: »

the signage for Clonmel/Waterford while going through Tipp Town is very poor indeed. When you come to that mickey mouse excuse for a roundabout at the end of the town, there is a sign for Cashel and Cahir, but none for Clonmel (county's biggest town) or Waterford (main city in the south east region). Time to get those hands out of your pockets Tipperary SR Co Co!!

Agree with you about this. I was probably not concentrating properly, but I totally missed that sign the last time I was through, and ended up going straight through the "roundabout" and had to do a Uey

grenache

serfboard wrote: »

Agree with you about this. I was probably not concentrating properly, but I totally missed that sign the last time I was through, and ended up going straight through the "roundabout" and had to do a Uey

Well you could kept going straight and gone via Cashel and New Inn, turning left at New Inn which would bring you out onto the N24 again a few miles outside Clonmel. All in all going this way would add about 15 miles onto your journey.

nordydan

Map here of proposed N24 route through South Tipperary:

http://www.southtippcoco.ie/en/media/3_N8N24.pdf

Chris_533976

Looks to me that someone thinks Clonmel is an absolute metropolis.

Wild Bill

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Looks to me that someone thinks Clonmel is an absolute metropolis.

Lol!

mysterious

I don't like that route selection. Ahhhhack...

I'd rather it go south of Clonmel to make a Cork Waterford Alignment. If it were DC from Cahir to Waterford. It would be a better road than the twisty S2 N25.

Tech3

mysterious wrote: »

I don't like that route selection. Ahhhhack...

I'd rather it go south of Clonmel to make a Cork Waterford Alignment. If it were DC from Cahir to Waterford. It would be a better road than the twisty S2 N25.

From the map it looks like they are going to upgrade the current bypass of Clonmel to 2+2.

Wild Bill

Don't think so...the corridor for the new route goes well north of the town according to the NRA website...or it did. I can't find the map now! (Note the addition to all projects added to the NRA site the other day warning that all projects not started no longer have any official time schedules). :mad:

Sponge Bob

Best download this other N24 project plan for historical reference then .

It will not be dusted off before 2020 .

Amtmann

mysterious wrote: »

I don't like that route selection. Ahhhhack...

I'd rather it go south of Clonmel to make a Cork Waterford Alignment. If it were DC from Cahir to Waterford. It would be a better road than the twisty S2 N25.

South of Clonmel between the Commeragh and Knockmealdown mountains to link with the N25 at Dungarvan?

Sponge Bob

Ah jayzus Furet do you want to close this thread too ???

Do you not remember when Mysterious did an M20/M8/M24 synthesis?? .....which was not illogical IIRC.

serfboard

Furet wrote: »

South of Clonmel between the Commeragh and Knockmealdown mountains to link with the N25 at Dungarvan?

Indeed. You can't go south of Clonmel - there are too many mountains in the way.

Wild Bill

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ah jayzus Furet do you want to close this thread too ???

There seems to be a worrying correlation between me appearing in a thread and Furet closing it down. I must remember to shower more often. :cool:

Amtmann

That's enough of the commenting on the moderation now. Read the charter.

This is an aerial photo showing junction 10 of the M8, where it meets the N24. The large roundabout on the right is where the new N24 alignment is due to meet the current road.

Vanhalla

Jesus H Christ, is it the worst main road in the bloody country. the worst any road! the state of the roads going through the towns all along it is unbievable, carrick, tipp town, monard. my poor car. ****ing councils

Mr Magners

Ha, that's funny, I'm driving that road for years and it is shockingly bad, the bit from Bansha to Tipp town and Tipp town itself.

By pass urgently required

questionmark?

I've been on local roads that are smoother and do less damage to my car. And as for the Cahir to Tipp Town section the amount of bends and no overtaking spaces means you have to share the roads with the overtaking retards who think its ok to do it on a blind bends.:rolleyes:

Amtmann

The N24 was due to be upgraded to standard dual carriageway standard from Limerick to Waterford, requiring a completely new build road across south Tipperary, bypassing Tipperary, Bansha, Clonmel and Carrick-on-Suir. The new alignment would start at the M7 at Limerick and meet M8 junction 10 at Cahir before proceeding north of Clonmel to meet the M9 at Waterford, thus linking Waterford and Limerick AND providing a high quality connection between the M7, M8 and M9.

Sadly, however, the scheme has been "indefinitely suspended" (see attachment).

The proposed new route of the N24 is viewable in the second attachment. It is the red line, and deviates quite a bit from the current alignment.

We can forget about the upgrade going ahead until the M20, M18, M17, M11 and the M40 are done. It's well down the list, I'm afraid.

charlemont

if the people of tipp town really want a by pass they should not vote for that clown martin mansergh .. whole road is a safety hazard:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

the clonmel bypass is an absolute bottleneck at 9am every morning. :mad:

Amtmann

Deleted User wrote: »

the clonmel bypass is an absolute bottleneck at 9am every morning. :mad:

That's because it was ruined by inappropriate developments along its entire length. Now it's just a distributor road. Bypasses and roads in general need to be protected from development to maintain capacity and free-flowing movements. The real Clonmel Bypass, when it eventually gets built probably post-2020, will be a grade-separated dual carriageway a lot like this. It won't be anywhere near as big as the M8, but it will do the job very nicely.

Furet

Furet wrote: »

That's because it was ruined by inappropriate developments along its entire length. Now it's just a distributor road. Bypasses and roads in general need to be protected from development to maintain capacity and free-flowing movements. The real Clonmel Bypass, when it eventually gets built probably post-2020, will be a grade-separated dual carriageway a lot like this. It won't be anywhere near as big as the M8, but it will do the job very nicely.

your dead right in what you say. pure spot on

DaveJac

Mr Magners wrote: »

Ha, that's funny, I'm driving that road for years and it is shockingly bad, the bit from Bansha to Tipp town and Tipp town itself.

By pass urgently required

thats a great section of road nice bends, i know when your stuck behind something it can be a pain, i drive from Emly to Clonmel everyday dont think the road is bad at all, was terrible there around the cold weather but thats all fixed, a bypass would be great but wont happen for a few more years

julyjane

Deleted User wrote: »

the clonmel bypass is an absolute bottleneck at 9am every morning. :mad:

True! I used to work in Cashel and I'd think I'd be home in no time if I finished an hour early - then I'd get to Clonmel and meet the traffic coming out of Abbott :eek:

tippspur

Deleted User wrote: »

the clonmel bypass is an absolute bottleneck at 9am every morning. :mad:

The bypass needs to be bypassed.:(

questionmark?

tippspur wrote: »

The bypass needs to be bypassed.:(

Thats why they dont call it a bypass but rather an inner relief road!

questionmark?

questionmark? wrote: »

Thats why they dont call it a bypass but rather an inner relief road!

with no relief!

TimmyTarmac

I think that it's called the Frank Drohan Road actually.
Yis are dead right about the N24 a terrible and deadly national route. It's clear that a new road is now many years away.
A cheaper option for now would be to increase the frequency of passanger trains on the Waterford - Limerick line.
There are many living in Clonmel and Carrick on Suir working in Waterford. Same goes for Tipp Town working in Limerick.
Seems to me Irish Rail are content to leave a Zombie service in place and eventually tell us it'll be closed down due to lack of use.
If there was a proper frequency of railcars from early morning till evening and a keen ticket price, I for one would be thrilled never to have to take my life in my hands on that bloody road again. (Not to mention the crazy antics of the boy racers around Bansha).
Furet, you're the font of great knowledge on these things. Maybe you could explain to me why this is probably a non-runner and my daily hellish commute must continue till I'm old - if I live that long.

irishleedsfan

Supposedly the Tipp town bypass has been approved for funds? Anybody know of any truth in this because the town has been needing a bypass for a long time.

Amtmann

irishleedsfan wrote: »

Supposedly the Tipp town bypass has been approved for funds? Anybody know of any truth in this because the town has been needing a bypass for a long time.

That's not true I'm afraid. We're well up on what is and is not likely to go ahead any time soon on the Infrastructure forum and the N24 has been forgotten about for the foreseeable future.

Amtmann

I spoke too soon. A 600m section of the N24 at Tankerstown, between Bansha and Cahir, is to be realigned: http://etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUL161719

charlemont

the land at tankerstown was bought in the 80's by the council a nearby house was demolished and the man who received the compensation emigrated to america, i heard that story from my dad several years back and i repeated the same story to my son only last friday when we drove along that stretch, has anybody noticed the 55 bus stops there, some dodgy spot for a bus to stop, it doesn't even have space to pull in off the carriageway, ye will spot a wooden fence which runs roughly parallel to the road , the new alignment will follow that fence with a staggered junction ( is that the right term ?)instead of the existing crossroads. OSI mapviewer shows the crossroads very well, you can see the fence very clearly in it...