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Would you actually prefer if the Irish language didnt exist?

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  • #62
    ShamoBuc
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Is this thread about the Irish language, Travellers, the Commonwealth or the British Isles? Is there a poll? What? Deja vu? Jedward what?

    Well, I think it's about a traveller from the British Isles who wanted to learn about the Irish language but fell down a french poll ( Irish for hole;)) and what's a Jedward?


  • #63
    rorymcgrory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭rorymcgrory


    Yes, I wish they ban the god damn thing. Its a waste of time and sounds ridiculous....

    Allocate the hours spent learning it to mathematics or something worth learning


  • #64
    KeithAFC
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    deise go deo wrote: »
    The 4 year old who you seam to expect to choose what school to go to and subjects to learn:confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes:
    Would you teach your child about religion and make him/her read the bible at that age? I know i wouldn't.


  • #65
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    rorymcgrory wrote: »
    Yes, I wish they ban the god damn thing. Its a waste of time and sounds ridiculous....

    Allocate the hours spent learning it to mathematics or something worth learning

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2F-mXFsvy0


    You sound ridiculous.:P


  • #66
    deise go deo
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Would you teach your child about religion and make him/her read the bible at that age? I know i wouldn't.

    If I wanted them to grow up as a religious person I would, But that is really beside the point,

    Why should they not ensure that their child learns Irish? Please explain.


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  • #67
    KeithAFC
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    deise go deo wrote: »
    If I wanted them to grow up as a religious person I would, But that is really beside the point,

    Why should they not ensure that their child learns Irish? Please explain.
    I don't see why a child has to learn about something which is frankly not ever going to do them much good in later life. But the worst thing is if it is forced upon you.


  • #68
    Duckworth_Luas
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    rorymcgrory wrote: »
    Yes, I wish they ban the god damn thing. Its a waste of time and sounds ridiculous....

    Allocate the hours spent learning it to mathematics or something worth learning

    I'm a mathematician. The only thing more awesome than calculus is Gaeilge. Suck it up bitches, if you want to have an education then you have to pass maths and Irish.


  • #69
    ShamoBuc
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Would you teach your child about religion and make him/her read the bible at that age? I know i wouldn't.

    Would you get them christened when they are a few months old?
    Would you make sure they got their communion?
    Would you make sure they got their confirmation? etc


  • #70
    KeithAFC
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Would you get them christened when they are a few months old?
    Would you make sure they got their communion?
    Would you make sure they got their confirmation? etc
    Nope. I would wait until they have the mental capacity to make up their own mind.


  • #71
    deise go deo
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I don't see why a child has to learn about something which is frankly not ever going to do them much good in later life. But the worst thing is if it is forced upon you.

    How do you know it wont do them any good?

    Actually just going to a gaelscoil will do them good, Second language immersion education has been shown to be quite educationally beneficial.

    But other than that, there are jobs available for people with Irish.

    As for this Forced on you thing, how is a parent choosing to send their child to a gaelscoil forcing Irish on them? Anymore than the education system forces education on a child?

    This has to be one of your more bizarre arguments Kieth, and for you, that is saying something.


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  • #72
    ShamoBuc
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Nope. I would wait until they have the mental capacity to make up their own mind.

    And how do you know when they have the mental capacity - guess?????

    What if you are wrong????? How could you live with yourself??????

    The shame I tell you, the shame;)


  • #73
    Gunsfortoys
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I don't see why a child has to learn about something which is frankly not ever going to do them much good in later life. But the worst thing is if it is forced upon you.

    Like the orange order? Like teaching them about the great william of orange? Get a grip.


  • #74
    KeithAFC
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    And how do you know when they have the mental capacity - guess?????

    What if you are wrong????? How could you live with yourself??????

    The shame I tell you, the shame;)
    When they start to question things.


  • #75
    KeithAFC
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    Gunsfortoys wrote: »
    Like the orange order? Like teaching them about the great william of orange? Get a grip.
    What about the Orange Order? I'd rather teach some one about an historical figure with factual evidence than some one who people say is waiting for you in heaven and is guiding your life. /Off topic.


  • #76
    ShamoBuc
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    When they start to question things.

    Therein lies the problem.
    When they start to question things - or when they start to question you!

    Enjoy that conversation fella!


  • #77
    Jonah42
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    I done Honours Irish for the Leaving Cert last year and hated every second of it. Haven't used it since and don't see when I will again.


  • #78
    Gunsfortoys
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    What about the Orange Order? I'd rather teach some one about an historical figure with factual evidence than some one who people say is waiting for you in heaven and is guiding your life. /Off topic.

    Hang on. You were talking about forcing something on a child hence to reference of william of orange.


  • #79
    KeithAFC
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Therein lies the problem.
    When they start to question things - or when they start to question you!

    Enjoy that conversation fella!
    Actually no. My dad was in the Orange Order, left the Orange Order. Turned into an Agnostic/Atheist but is still a loyalist. Never brought me up to read about loyalist history or religion or anything of the like. I learnt it myself. I don't mind people questioning.


  • #80
    KeithAFC
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    Gunsfortoys wrote: »
    Hang on. You were talking about forcing something on a child hence the reference of william of orange.
    Do you not agree with me about giving kids the freedom of choice?


  • #81
    Gunsfortoys
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Do you not agree with me about giving kids the freedom of choice?

    I agree with freedom of choice, do you agree with it?


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  • #82
    Amhran Nua
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I don't see why a child has to learn about something which is frankly not ever going to do them much good in later life. But the worst thing is if it is forced upon you.
    Bit like 99% of the maths and English curriculum then?


  • #83
    ShamoBuc
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    Jonah42 wrote: »
    I done Honours Irish for the Leaving Cert last year and hated every second of it. Haven't used it since and don't see when I will again.

    I hope you didn't done honours English;)


  • #84
    Rabble Rabble
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Do you not agree with me about giving kids the freedom of choice?

    If we gave kids freedom of choice we would have very few educated adults.


  • #85
    ShamoBuc
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Actually no. My dad was in the Orange Order, left the Orange Order. Turned into an Agnostic/Atheist but is still a loyalist. Never brought me up to read about loyalist history or religion or anything of the like. I learnt it myself. I don't mind people questioning.

    Did you ever go to school or are you completely self-taught?


  • #86
    Duckworth_Luas
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    Jonah42 wrote: »
    I done Honours Irish for the Leaving Cert last year and hated every second of it. Haven't used it since and don't see when I will again.

    Did you do higher level maths? Lets chat about that. How often have you used your maths qualification? What about the poems of John Donne or any other English language poet?


  • #87
    KeithAFC
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Did you ever go to school or are you completely self-taught?
    Of course i did. The whole argument about the Irish language thing is people are being forced to do something which gives little awards back. The difference with maths and English and science is it is actually important in an educational sense. Hince why i think freedom of choice should be made for a subject like Irish going by some posts, doesn't seem to be the case which is a shame.

    Things like maths and science and English are VITAL and you need them in todays age.


  • #88
    Aishae
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    i didnt enjoy the way it was forced on us - german wasnt forced on us but students still chose to do it - perhaps if irish wasnt forced or at least taught differently (i enjoyed french more than irish and i think this was because it was taugh differently) students might enjoy it more.

    there are jobs to be had but not many - tg4 mainly. the rest are in the gael. so id wonder if that teaching time could be spent on something we might actually NEED later in life.

    that said - its a part of our heritage. i think we might appreciate it more if we were taught it along with irish history and eg: myth/legend. so we could keep the language alive. and not create a population where the vast majority end up despising it or really being able to say more than a fractured sentence in it.


  • #89
    Amhran Nua
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The difference with maths and English and science is it is actually important in an educational sense.
    Not really. English teaching doesn't apparently teach much actual English, going by the standard of many leaving school. The overwhelming majority of even basic maths will be of no use to the overwhelming majority of school leavers. Multiple languages on the other hand have been shown to have positive effects on the development of the mind.


  • #90
    KeithAFC
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    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Not really. English teaching doesn't apparently teach much actual English, going by the standard of many leaving school. The overwhelming majority of even basic maths will be of no use to the overwhelming majority of school leavers. Multiple languages on the other hand have been shown to have positive effects on the development of the mind.
    Are you judging that by posts on the internet? Learning English is very important as its a very common language. Compared to Irish which is a language dying on its ass to be fair.


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  • #91
    Amhran Nua
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Are you judging that by posts on the internet? Learning English is very important as its a very common language. Compared to Irish which is a language dying on its ass to be fair.
    I'm judging that on a lot of experiences. Shakespeare has zero relevance to modern life, even grammatically. Why not ditch that, along with everything outside basic arithmetic except for students who specifically select it? Culture has a real, quantifiable value, Irish culture specifically, and the Irish language is a part of our culture.

    I think a lot of people are more angry at the way it was taught, rather than that it was taught at all. The curriculum for Irish verges on torture in many cases. It could, should, and wil be done a lot better.


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